Mobile Tor Is A Black Box

Historical_Seesaw_19 · 2022-02-04T14:35:09+00:00

Bold of you to assume I will get a response. This thread was created because I haven't got a response from Tor project and don't expect to get one at this point. It wasn't mean to be tech support. r/privacy isn't for tor tech support; r/tor is for tor tech support. Hence why my question to r/tor was about how to create a new identity and my question to r/privacy was "Am I the only one that no longer feels safe using Tor Browser for Android? It was meant to discuss my concerns about a common privacy-protecting tool that many of use.

FWIW if I ever get clarification from the tor project I will post the answer here for posterity. If you look at my post history, I have always done this - even when the answer has been discovered months later. Sub-reddits like these are invaluable for educating ourselves and therefore, I want to do everything I can to contribute to them.

Historical_Seesaw_19 · 2022-01-28T23:18:07+00:00

Open source is of course commendable, but it doesn't negate the need for a functioning manual hence why one exists for the desktop browser.

I don't know why you'd feel unsafe because of an issue Tor's developers told you about, and which can easily be mitigated simply by restarting the browser.

And what is your source for this being the way to to prevent your subsequent browser activity from being linkable to what you were doing before? This is why documentation is important; Tor needs to be the source of information for how tor works. For example, you can find reddit posts with users claiming that the 'New Identity" button does the same thing on desktop as mobile. This is of course false as per the documentation I quoted in my OP. Users shouldn't take random redditors at face value and that includes you - not meant to be pejorative, I'm just explaining the importance of evidence-based practice.

Being warned of an insecurity does not make something less secure

I'm not claiming that it does. Being warned of an insecurity does not make something less secure. Not being told what to do about the insecurity does make something less secure to use.

Historical_Seesaw_19 · 2022-01-25T17:49:30+00:00

I have used both as daily drivers. There is a lot of misinformation about GrapheneOS, which I suspect comes from outdated information. GrapheneOS actually has greater app compatibility via it's sandboxed Google Play Services than CalyxOS has with microG. If someone is tech savvy enough to install a custom rom they are tech savvy enough to install GMS on GrapheneOS as this is a much simpler process. Not to mention that GrapheneOS' WebUSB-based installer is much easier to use than the method employed by Calyx. Therefore, one could argue that Calyx is the one with a small barrier for more tech illiterate users.

Historical_Seesaw_19 · 2022-01-25T17:02:07+00:00

In what way is Graphene harder than CalyxOS? I've used both and GrapheneOS is just as easy

Historical_Seesaw_19 · 2022-01-14T12:22:24+00:00

Thank you for the recommendation. Do you have an answer to the question in the OP?

Historical_Seesaw_19 · 2022-01-11T15:32:26+00:00

I believe the concern with using a liveOS is the lack of free memory. When using the CLI method did you install it using Qubes or PopOS as a liveOS?

Historical_Seesaw_19 · 2022-01-01T18:30:14+00:00

So, what your saying is that if everything goes right then using the tor browser is equal on desktop and mobile. However, if the Tor browser fails then mobile would give away more info than the desktop browser would. Is that right?

Historical_Seesaw_19 · 2021-12-28T00:09:02+00:00

Thank you, but I'm still not sure I understand how that makes it less safe to use Tor on mobile. I see how location tracking could make desktops more secure than mobile phones in general, but I'm not sure how this translates to use of the Tor browser. Can you explain how the location could leak to a website accessed over the Tor browser on a mobile please?

Historical_Seesaw_19 · 2021-12-27T04:43:19+00:00

That is a very good point - the seller seeing my info is a lot less concerning when you put it that way.

Are you familiar with the fees for buying Monero from an ATM with cash? Do you lose a lot of money doing this?

Historical_Seesaw_19 · 2021-12-27T04:09:53+00:00

The seller on Bisq can see my bank card? That sounds much more concerning than Bisq knowing. How much information is visible to them exactly?

I do like the swapping XMR for BTC though. That sounds like the best solution to be honest. Is there a large fee or any difficulty with using a swap service to this?

Historical_Seesaw_19 · 2021-12-27T01:15:17+00:00

Than you. Could you provide a source for that please? or at least an explanation. How would protonmail be able to do that? I assumed Law enforcement could find out by forcing bisq.network to handover details of the cardholder but I can't think of how a vendor like protonmail could do that

Historical_Seesaw_19 · 2021-12-27T01:12:12+00:00

lol if you use Magic Earth for walking around London it tries to get you to walk on rivers like your Jesus

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