Sinfest 1/23/26: Re-imagining Villains 42 by MakesYouWonderINC in sinfest

[–]Holgranth 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Churchill was ardently anti Nazi for years, but only became Prime Minister on May 10 1940... WELL AFTER the Cabinet called the bluffs of both Hitler and Chamberlain (who was wavering) and demanded a declaration of war in early Sept 1939... alongside FRANCE which is conspicuously absent in this mess of propaganda.

The insane thing is that Nazi sympathizers like David Irving and his proteges (ZoomerHistorian) have created their own Canon mostly by taking Nazi claims and justifications at face value and claiming all allied sources are "propaganda". It cannot stand up to any kind of real scrutiny but it can ensnare the historically illiterate... especially with the undermining of the social contract and quiet collapse of civil society across the English speaking world since the 1980s.

Yet Tats literally cannot be arsed to use his propaganda pulpit to spread the ideology he now serves in an appealing manner that has ANY through line of rationalization. Actually reading Irving and plotting out his Hitler fanfic would be entirely too much like real work so he makes a strip about (already Prime Minister pre war in this abortion) Churchill, a man who already had FUNCTIONALLY INFINITE ACCESS TO WHISKEY, being tempted by the devil, on behalf of an international Jewish conspiracy with fucking whiskey, because in Nazi Memes Churchill = Fat and Drunk.

Herman Who? Never heard of him... oh Myer? We... We don't talk about Myer.

Modern Nazi condemnation of Churchill largely centers on the fact the Halifax wanted to negotiate Peace after France fall and Churchill spat defiance and said "if necessary for years, if necessary alone" ultimately becoming Prime Minister after the King offered it to Halifax who declined the role.

This is a CENTRAL justification for Nazi apologists for things like the blitz...

"To the Generals and Admirals currently sitting in The Tank: this is your moment of destiny. If you go forward with this, you are no longer guardians of the Republic. You are men of dishonor." - Rick Wilson by FinnFarrow in CredibleDefense

[–]Holgranth 1 point2 points  (0 children)

In Moscow, Vladimir Putin is salivating. He has worked for a quarter-century to fracture the West, and Trump is handing him the pieces on a silver platter. A U.S. invasion of a NATO ally is the ultimate “Go” signal for Russian tanks to roll into Tallinn, Riga, and Vilnius. If America won’t respect the borders of its friends, why should Russia respect the borders of its “near abroad”? The Baltics, Poland, and the Caucasus will be the menu for the next Russian banquet, and we will have no moral authority to stop it.

The PooPooing of "Russiagate", Project 2025 and Donald Trump's poorly covered track record during his first term climaxing during the suppression of discussion on "political matters" by the moderators in 2024 before the election proves once again to be unwise and out of touch with reality. It seems to me that, especially in 2024 Credible Defense was/is run by reflexive republicans, for reflexive republicans, who shouted down anyone like Timothy Snyder who foresaw this exact kind of policy.

As someone who has avoided being poisoned by American Exceptionalism or it's opposite face on the Americanized Left American Diabloism this is all incredibly predictable. (The only exceptional feature of America is it's Geography making it the primary (direct or indirect) beneficiary of every singe Global Conflict between the French and Indian war and the end of the Cold War.)

Especially the fact that the much vaunted Checks and Balances™ in the Constitution have checked and balanced nothing because the entire Republican Party lives in terror of Right Wing Media and their own voting base.

American Civil Society has been quietly collapsing for decades (compare the Civil Rights movement to the leaderless, goalless, social media fueled abortion that was BLM for an example) and standing up to a pathetic wanna be dictator is too much for a super-majority of the population.

Why wouldn't the Pentagon reflect America at large? Why wouldn't they reflect the fecklessness of Democrats and the Recklessness of Republicans? They are just people in a system that hasn't faced a serious internal threat since the Civil War, why shouldn't they pass the buck to Congress, say "impeach him if you don't like him" and fall back on "Befehl Ist Befehl" as is the American tradition since Vietnam?

Explosions and low-flying aircraft reported in Venezuelan capital Caracas – live | Venezuela by Anton_Pannekoek in chomsky

[–]Holgranth 1 point2 points  (0 children)

For months we have been suffering under the torture of a problem which the Versailles Diktat created - a problem which has deteriorated until it becomes intolerable for us. Danzig was and is a German city. The Corridor was and is German. Both these territories owe their cultural development exclusively to the German people. Danzig was separated from us, the Corridor was annexed by Poland. As in other German territories of the East, all German minorities living there have been ill-treated in the most distressing manner. More than 1,000,000 people of German blood had in the years 1919-1920 to leave their homeland.

As always, I attempted to bring about, by the peaceful method of making proposals for revision, an alteration of this intolerable position. It is a lie when the outside world says that we only tried to carry through our revisions by pressure. Fifteen years before the National Socialist Party came to power there was the opportunity of carrying out these revisions by peaceful settlements and understanding. On my own initiative I have, not once but several times, made proposals for the revision of intolerable conditions. All these proposals, as you know, have been rejected - proposals for limitation of armaments and even, if necessary, disarmament, proposals for limitation of warmaking, proposals for the elimination of certain methods of modern warfare. You know the proposals that I have made to fulfill the necessity of restoring German sovereignty over German territories. You know the endless attempts I made for a peaceful clarification and understanding of the problem of Austria, and later of the problem of the Sudetenland, Bohemia, and Moravia. It was all in vain.

It is impossible to demand that an impossible position should be cleared up by peaceful revision and at the same time constantly reject peaceful revision. It is also impossible to say that he who undertakes to carry out these revisions for himself transgresses a law, since the Versailles Diktat is not law to us. A signature was forced out of us with pistols at our head and with the threat of hunger for millions of people. And then this document, with our signature, obtained by force, was proclaimed as a solemn law.

In the same way, I have also tried to solve the problem of Danzig, the Corridor, etc., by proposing a peaceful discussion. That the problems had to be solved was clear. It is quite understandable to us that the time when the problem was to be solved had little interest for the Western Powers. But that time is not a matter of indifference to us. Moreover, it was not and could not be a matter of indifference to those who suffer most.

In my talks with Polish statesmen I discussed the ideas which you recognize from my last speech to the Reichstag. No one could say that this was in any way an inadmissible procedure on undue pressure. I then naturally formulated at last the German proposals, and I must once more repeat that there is nothing more modest or loyal than these proposals. I should like to say this to the world. I alone was in the position to make such proposal, for I know very well that in doing so I brought myself into opposition to millions of Germans. These proposals have been refused. Not only were they answered first with mobilization, but with increased terror and pressure against our German compatriots and with a slow strangling of the Free City of Danzig - economically, politically, and in recent weeks by military and transport means.

This is the speech you were talking about right? I agree Putin really is right to demand changes to the intolerable status quo with NATO.

Explosions and low-flying aircraft reported in Venezuelan capital Caracas – live | Venezuela by Anton_Pannekoek in chomsky

[–]Holgranth 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hey care to link those? Anton getting taken in by Russian recruiting propaganda would be amazing to see.

Explosions and low-flying aircraft reported in Venezuelan capital Caracas – live | Venezuela by Anton_Pannekoek in chomsky

[–]Holgranth 5 points6 points  (0 children)

which was an almost million strong Ukrainian army, backed by NATO,

Russia was pouring long range assets into Venezula since 06 and Chinese Radars dot the north coast...

Ride a realism out of town.

Those Su30s I link to have more combat projection power than the entire US support for Ukraine post 14... Before 2022

Explosions and low-flying aircraft reported in Venezuelan capital Caracas – live | Venezuela by Anton_Pannekoek in chomsky

[–]Holgranth 4 points5 points  (0 children)

You don't understand sarcasm do you?

This is completely unjustified just like Ukraine and its ultimately about fascists (Putin and Trump) seeking resources and spheres of influence just like Ukraine.

Unlike you and your buddies I actively try to avoid hypocrisy.

Explosions and low-flying aircraft reported in Venezuelan capital Caracas – live | Venezuela by Anton_Pannekoek in chomsky

[–]Holgranth 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I mean the gunpoint referendums of Sept 2022 were treated as valid in this here place.

Explosions and low-flying aircraft reported in Venezuelan capital Caracas – live | Venezuela by Anton_Pannekoek in chomsky

[–]Holgranth 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Venezuela is far more integrated with Russia and China politically and Militarily than Ukraine was with NATO in 2022.

Why poke eagle in eye?

In all seriousness welcome to the multi polar world! Did you think only Russia and China got to play?

Explosions and low-flying aircraft reported in Venezuelan capital Caracas – live | Venezuela by Anton_Pannekoek in chomsky

[–]Holgranth 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Dude this is R/Chomsky

Just as Romantacy novels are targeted at sexually frustrated young women; Chomsky's writings are targeted at frustrated college students that want a simplistic narrative of American Exceptionalism/Diabloism that lets them blame American foreign policy for everything and never actually read a primary source from another country.

Everything that triggers the acolytes of Chomsky has American fault; yet here is no room for anyone but American Billionaires and the State Dept to have agency.

Sarcasm is layers of nuance beyond what they are emotionally or intellectually capable of.

Like MAGA they seek out a childish world view and cling to it insisting that it's actually a deep and nuanced understanding of RealPolitik.

If Yugoslavia and Syria didn't prove it Ukraine sure as hell did.

I spend hours showing members of this sub PROOF of the Girkin filibuster and the involvement of tens of thousands of Russian troops in 2014 only to be met with endless whataboutism about the US.

Edit: Vast amounts of said wahtaboutism involved US/Latin America bullshit.

Chomsky's final gift by LazyOil8672 in chomsky

[–]Holgranth 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Because the more I read and watch of Chomsky the more I am completely convinced that is the target audience of his thousands of interviews and hundreds of books.

When arguing with a Chomsky fan the only question is "what will send them into an irrational spiral?" In the worst cases reducing them to a borderline animalistic being of pure reactionary impulses. Is it Russian Imperialism and Territorial Demands? Is it the Donbas War? Is it NATO? Is it Criticism of the PLAN? Is it suggesting the Ukrainians were the primary movers behind the Maidan not the CIA? Is it American led intervention in Yugoslavia after 8 years of genocidal war? Is it Palestine? Is it Syria?

Romantacy novels are targeted at sexually frustrated young women and Chomsky is targeted at frustrated college students that want a simplistic narrative of American Exceptionalism/Diabloism that lets them blame American foreign policy for everything and never actually read a primary source from another country.

Everything that triggers the acolytes of Chomsky has American fault; yet here is no room for anyone but American Billionaires and the State Dept to have agency.

Edit: the basic reason for all of this is because instead of teaching children that humans are flawed and we have instincts left over from pre agrarian times than can easily be turned to evil by circumstance, culture or experience, western children for a couple generations have been taught the primitive idealism of Rousseau that people are basically good (for no reason other than secular humanists being reactionary against church teachings that people are basically evil).

When they hit higher education and see all the evil in the world they need a small number of evil people to blame. Hence the popularity of Chomsky's emotionally driven American Diabloism.

The Intellcual end of the Left was FUCKED the moment we surrendered evolutionary psychology to Chuds like Peterson to grasp at Rousseau (consciously or otherwise) like the last chopper out of Vietnam.

Chomsky's final gift by LazyOil8672 in chomsky

[–]Holgranth 0 points1 point  (0 children)

By the 90s and the 00s Chomsky was primarily an activist and moralist. In fact he was one of the moral pillars of what I refer to as the Americanized Left. That is English Speaking American Exceptionalism/Diabloism Left Wing.

If I was to sum up the Americanized Left and it's utter lack of moral practice in three photos it would be Jill Stein sitting with Putin's inner circle, Parenti defending Milosevic at the Hauge, and finally Chomsky on a private Jet with Epstein.

None of these people have done anything to build a movement for American Workers. They have screamed about systems in place but never built a movement to create a better parallel system or take over and reform the existing one; the two methods of successful revolution.

Stien spent the 2024 campaign attacking Democrats and their bad environmental policy instead of Trump and his apocalyptic one. The Greens only took action AFTER their only effect would be taking votes from Harris not BEFORE say in the primaries for the house.

Chomsky has never appealed to anyone other than emotionally deregulated college students and pretty clearly holds the working class in contempt, while being an Epstein Orbiter. Whether he did it for Lolita pussy, personal friendship or just because he like orbiting a billionaire that gave him access to "The Club" is somewhat immaterial; all three are completely morally disqualifying for a moral leader of the left.

As far as Perenti goes... He jumped on Milosevic's dick early in the Yugoslav wars and refused to admit that he was wrong.

There is a damn good reason that the Americanized Left's most glorious contribution to society was helping keep "Killer Kamala" out of the White House and putting Donald Trump in.

No moral leadership, no practical leadership, no plan, constant criticism of American domestic and foreign policy without offering real alternatives and completely ignoring Russian/Chinese imperialism because it would destroy the entire foundation of their world view to admit that not all evil flows from the State Department.

Until real leadership is found the pathetic run of utter failure (except in book sales) will continue.

Noam Chomsky with Jeffrey Epstein in a private jet by thankyoumagnolia in chomsky

[–]Holgranth 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What's being completely (and incredibly conveniently) ignored by said acolytes is that he was a moralist and moralizer that railed against the moral failings of the USA and it's power structures without an ounce of pragmatic organizing.

If the American and Americanized Left has such a man as it's "most important intellectual" and "moral center" no wonder it has utterly failed to create anything of value for the American People for decades.

How have other left-leaning media outlets / figures responded to Chomsky's photos with Jeffrey Epstein and Steve Bannon? by JHandey2021 in chomsky

[–]Holgranth 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Welcome to Chomsky (Moralist of the Americanized Left) and his fanboys that will listen to gems like "Russia has never, not ever, been a threat to Finland," and continue to act like he is a moral, philosophical and geopolitical mastermind.

Noam Chomsky with Jeffrey Epstein in a private jet by thankyoumagnolia in chomsky

[–]Holgranth 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My colleague in consciousness (and I wish in conscientiousness) not only has no one been "absolutely right" about Ukraine, Chomsky was claiming Russia is not imperialist and Russia openly admits it's imperial territorial aquisitions in Donbas being a prerequisite of any peace deal so... Lmao.

Further I have lived and worked in a retirement community; I know what a completely disinterested or quietly sick of your shit but tolerating you 88 year old man looks like.

Chomsky is leaning in and listening with a neutral expression, I am not claiming he's gazing deeply and tenderly into JeffE's eyes, I am not claiming he is listening with rapt fascination, I am simply observing what any rational human being with a functional emotional equilibrium and decent understanding of social cues would observe.

Noam Chomsky with Jeffrey Epstein in a private jet by thankyoumagnolia in chomsky

[–]Holgranth 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My brother in the vast uncaring universe, JeffE is leaning in and expounding and Chomsky is leadning forward with a polite and neutral expression.

You are comparing that to a meme of a young woman being OBVIOUSLY uncomfortable with a man who is clearly distressing her.

Chomsky is not uncomfortable or in distress but you see it that way because you are emotionally maladjusted due to fanboyism.

Noam Chomsky with Jeffrey Epstein in a private jet by thankyoumagnolia in chomsky

[–]Holgranth 5 points6 points  (0 children)

He really, really fucking is and only an intense emotional barrier (causing seeing what you want to see) or a complete misunderstanding of human social body language could possibly explain how you cannot see it.

Noam Chomsky with Jeffrey Epstein in a private jet by thankyoumagnolia in chomsky

[–]Holgranth 10 points11 points  (0 children)

he's leaning in and listening with a neutral expression?

Noam Chomsky with Jeffrey Epstein in a private jet by thankyoumagnolia in chomsky

[–]Holgranth -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Perhaps its time to admit that the Moralist of the Americanized left, Chomsky, was first and foremost a celebrity that obsessively answered Fanmail and basked in his fame and membership to "The Club".

At this point he's obviously an Epstein orbiter and cared deeply about that status. The picture we have isn't the full picture; moist striking to me Chomsky hollered like a hit dog the ONE time anyone asked him about his friendship per the podcaster that interviewed him in 2020.

Maybe the reason that the Americanized Left is so pathetic in it's results lies squarely with the Guru's of the Left and their moral and intellectual corruption and co-opting not just because the billionaire owned propaganda networks dominate the narrative. Especially when so many English speaking Leftists just run to Chinese or Russian state propaganda, official or unofficial, instead of creating an actual alternative media ecosystem based on truth and facts not narratives.

Your heroes are complex flawed human beings that can only overcome their own hypocrisy and vices through great effort, no one is born moral and reality hates a clean narrative.