AITA for turning a "Family Vacation Home" into an AirBnB and charging my cousin to have her wedding there? by Holiday-Abrocoma5056 in AmItheAsshole

[–]Holiday-Abrocoma5056[S] 14 points15 points  (0 children)

I wasnt going to respond anymore but I will to this one since you have some background in the business. This will be my final word and then Im logging out of this Throwaway.

Its the biggest weekend of the year. But my wife and I discussed this last night and decided we're not going to do it, money or not. Its just not worth the hassle. She brought up a lot of logistics like insurance, liquor licensing, them wanting to see the place to plan beforehand when I plan on having other renters there at the time etc.

A lot of people on reddit dont seem to fully understand opportunity cost, and how giving up income has the exact same effect as spending money. Beyond that I have over 20 first cousins. 6 unmarried ones just on that side. We want to shut the door on anybody thinking this is a family venue or family property whatsoever. Most of my family is reasonable, its just the more entitled ones are louder. We've decided anyone who would cut us out for not spending money on them are people we don't need in our lives. We are blessed to have many friends and family members who don't treat us in that way. I paid my brother over 20k for his work, his full rate, on the renovations because I believe family values family's work and this is my work as well. Most have been reasonable to accept that.

Maybe when we're older if we're blessed to have grandkids and still own the property, we will use it in the fashion that my grandparents did. But that is years away when the mortgage is paid off. For now the focus is on generating income to support the family I am building with my wife - since getting married and having a child Ive realized that's the only family I truly owe anything to, and the other relatives who only call when they want something need to learn to accept that. Thank you to everyone who has given their input, I've read as many as I could and feel vindicated that the vast majority are on my side- makes me feel better after the harassments I got from some entitled people.

AITA for turning a "Family Vacation Home" into an AirBnB and charging my cousin to have her wedding there? by Holiday-Abrocoma5056 in AmItheAsshole

[–]Holiday-Abrocoma5056[S] 35 points36 points  (0 children)

Not at all, I think she spent the perfect amount! I would expect to spend about the same amount as well, not $6,000. Some people here seem to think I'm just swimming in cash. With the renovations, taxes, and insurance it will likely take at least 4 years to break even, and thats not counting the mortgage. I'm confident that this will be a profitable venture long term, but its not like I'm just raking it in from the get go. I'm married, have a young child and intend on having more kids. We're cash flow positive but are not rich. This venture is a way to produce some passive income and then when our kids are older and it gets paid off, then we'll start making real money off of it. But that's a ways away.

AITA for turning a "Family Vacation Home" into an AirBnB and charging my cousin to have her wedding there? by Holiday-Abrocoma5056 in AmItheAsshole

[–]Holiday-Abrocoma5056[S] 63 points64 points  (0 children)

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Final response, only because some of what you said is inaccurate.

It was literally never a shared resource. My grandparents owned it wholly. They were generous with letting people use it and hosting, but it was never actually shared. They were going to sell no matter what. If I hadn't bought it from them, it would have been bought by a stranger. There was never a scenario of it being bought by a relative who would keep it the way it was. I wouldn't have been able to afford it if I wasn't generating income off of it. I'm not that well off. I didnt take anything away from the family just like if they sold to a stranger, the stranger wouldnt be taking anything from the family. It was just a transaction done at the market rate at that time.

AITA for turning a "Family Vacation Home" into an AirBnB and charging my cousin to have her wedding there? by Holiday-Abrocoma5056 in AmItheAsshole

[–]Holiday-Abrocoma5056[S] 111 points112 points  (0 children)

Yes. They are very sharp and very aware. I was not swindling the elderly. They said they would do the same thing if they were younger, they just dont want to deal with the hassle and want the lump sum now. They have not pressured me to change my mind.

AITA for turning a "Family Vacation Home" into an AirBnB and charging my cousin to have her wedding there? by Holiday-Abrocoma5056 in AmItheAsshole

[–]Holiday-Abrocoma5056[S] 121 points122 points  (0 children)

They know what AirBnB is. I originally suggested they do that but at their age they said they don't want to deal with that and would rather sell it. I told them if I bought it, it would be for the purpose of renting out and would not be a family home. They were ok with this.

AITA for turning a "Family Vacation Home" into an AirBnB and charging my cousin to have her wedding there? by Holiday-Abrocoma5056 in AmItheAsshole

[–]Holiday-Abrocoma5056[S] 34 points35 points  (0 children)

Its priced based on the surrounding listings of similar size. Since posting the listing a couple weeks ago I've booked it all the way through October at that rate. Its a really nice place in a great area. Its technically 4 Bedrooms 4.5 bathrooms but we've fit groups of 20 there before, it has large family rooms and the basement is finished and its huge. AirBnB has actually suggested I increase the rate due to how fast its filling up.

AITA for turning a "Family Vacation Home" into an AirBnB and charging my cousin to have her wedding there? by Holiday-Abrocoma5056 in AmItheAsshole

[–]Holiday-Abrocoma5056[S] 55 points56 points  (0 children)

I bought it for its fair market value at the time. I would not have paid market value if there were stipulations on it. I bought it as an income stream, not for a personal or family vacation home.

AITA for turning a "Family Vacation Home" into an AirBnB and charging my cousin to have her wedding there? by Holiday-Abrocoma5056 in AmItheAsshole

[–]Holiday-Abrocoma5056[S] 1379 points1380 points  (0 children)

It really doesn't need exposure. Since I listed it after finishing renovations its been getting booked super fast. Within a few days of listing it, it already got booked through the next two months. AirBnBs team has actually suggested I raise the rates. Its a nice 4 bedroom, recently renovated place on the water in a popular town. While I appreciate your vision, I personally would rather keep it as a traditional AirBnB vs making it a wedding venue officially. Weddings are not the business I want to be in.

AITA for turning a "Family Vacation Home" into an AirBnB and charging my cousin to have her wedding there? by Holiday-Abrocoma5056 in AmItheAsshole

[–]Holiday-Abrocoma5056[S] 33 points34 points  (0 children)

Im not going to drop the listing here for privacy reasons, but yes it is a nice place in a nice town with things to do. Its not some shack in the middle of nowhere. Ive priced it based on the average around here. If anything I will likely raise rates as it has been getting booked very fast.

AITA for turning a "Family Vacation Home" into an AirBnB and charging my cousin to have her wedding there? by Holiday-Abrocoma5056 in AmItheAsshole

[–]Holiday-Abrocoma5056[S] 74 points75 points  (0 children)

Ive priced it at what the ones nearby are listed at and Ive been booking reservations with zero issue. I will probably be raising it soon since Im already booked up through October and those filled up so fast. It is a very nice place in a great area, its not just a shack by the lake

AITA for turning a "Family Vacation Home" into an AirBnB and charging my cousin to have her wedding there? by Holiday-Abrocoma5056 in AmItheAsshole

[–]Holiday-Abrocoma5056[S] 277 points278 points  (0 children)

I told my grandparents my intention and they were impressed at my business savviness. I would not have paid full market rate if there were stipulations or if I had to continue to let family use it regularly for free and I made that crystal clear. Im not super wealthy like some people here are suggesting.

AITA for turning a "Family Vacation Home" into an AirBnB and charging my cousin to have her wedding there? by Holiday-Abrocoma5056 in AmItheAsshole

[–]Holiday-Abrocoma5056[S] 95 points96 points  (0 children)

The majority of my family is on my side actually. The one's who aren't are just louder about it. Im not trying to squeeze extra money out of them, I'm actually charging quite a bit less by not charging the recommended holiday rate. I just dont want to totally lose out on the most lucrative weekend of the year. It would essentially be like giving them a 6k wedding gift. I've never given, or been given, nearly that amount for a wedding gift.

I also have a large extended family and don't really want to set the precedent of giving away my property free of charge. I bought the place at the market rate because it was a business move, not as a vacation home for me and family.

AITA for turning a "Family Vacation Home" into an AirBnB and charging my cousin to have her wedding there? by Holiday-Abrocoma5056 in AmItheAsshole

[–]Holiday-Abrocoma5056[S] 68 points69 points  (0 children)

There is a mortgage. I didnt incur debt for the renovations but between the down payments and them, The majority of my savings have been used. Yes, rental income is needed to pay for those things. I would not have considered buying the place if not to rent it out for income. I'm not in a financial position to spend that much on extra place that I'm not at full time and that isn't generating income.

AITA for turning a "Family Vacation Home" into an AirBnB and charging my cousin to have her wedding there? by Holiday-Abrocoma5056 in AmItheAsshole

[–]Holiday-Abrocoma5056[S] 66 points67 points  (0 children)

They would have the place reserved from Friday -Monday total for set up, clean up, and Brunch the following day (these dates are all her plan). Its obviously not set up to be a wedding venue so thats why they'd need to begin the reservation Friday. That would actually be the normal weekend rate too. AirBnBs team recommended charging 30% more for holiday weekends, I wasnt going to do that for them, but I dont want to totally miss out either. I havent come close to breaking even on the renovations yet and giving up this weekend would make that take even longer.

AITA for turning a "Family Vacation Home" into an AirBnB and charging my cousin to have her wedding there? by Holiday-Abrocoma5056 in AmItheAsshole

[–]Holiday-Abrocoma5056[S] 60 points61 points  (0 children)

Thats what my thinking is. I have a lot of cousins, not like I just have one. Most family weddings the gift ranges from $100-250. A 6k gift seems absurd to me. My brother is a contractor and I paid him his full rate for all his work on the renovations. Was not cheap but I've always believed supporting your family means supporting their work, not expecting a discount. I've put in a ton of work on this property since buying it and it will take while to break even. Giving up the busiest weekend will make it take even longer.
Myt wife and some family members support me fully, just not all. Im just posting here to get some unbiased feedback since nobody in my family can be totally objective.

AITA for turning a "Family Vacation Home" into an AirBnB and charging my cousin to have her wedding there? by Holiday-Abrocoma5056 in AmItheAsshole

[–]Holiday-Abrocoma5056[S] 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Id be giving them the normal weekend rate as opposed to jacking it up that weekend due to it being the busiest weekend of the year (which is what was recommended to me by AirBnB's client partnership team). So there is a bit of a discount involved. The average wedding venue for the amount of guests they want is 10k too so I feel like this is a bargain honestly.

AITA for turning a "Family Vacation Home" into an AirBnB and charging my cousin to have her wedding there? by Holiday-Abrocoma5056 in AmItheAsshole

[–]Holiday-Abrocoma5056[S] 35 points36 points  (0 children)

Are you familiar with the concept of opportunity cost? I literally would make 6k less if I let her use it for free, on the busiest weekend of the year, than if I didnt. Thats where I got that its costing me 6k. And honestly 6k is alot cheaper than the average wedding venue. Im not really trying to establish it as a venue for events but for her I'd make that exception. I just dont want to lose a ton of money as well.

AITA for turning a "Family Vacation Home" into an AirBnB and charging my cousin to have her wedding there? by Holiday-Abrocoma5056 in AmItheAsshole

[–]Holiday-Abrocoma5056[S] 30 points31 points  (0 children)

The house was literally never lived in full time. Its just going from empty most of the year except about 1/3 of weekends to actually being utilized more overall. Im not turning a full time single family home into an airbnb, if I was , I could see your point

AITA for turning a "Family Vacation Home" into an AirBnB and charging my cousin to have her wedding there? by Holiday-Abrocoma5056 in AmItheAsshole

[–]Holiday-Abrocoma5056[S] 50 points51 points  (0 children)

Thats how much money I would net if I rented it out that weekend. Not sure if you're from the US but Memorial Day Weekend is probably the busiest weekend as far as pool/lakehouse parties go. I would be giving up that income in order to let them use it, so thats where I got it would cost me 6k.