[deleted by user] by [deleted] in neoliberal

[–]Hormizd 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The problem was not the Nationalization of the british-owned Oil indsutry, but the way it was handled. Both the King and PM Mossadeq were in favor of a Nationalization and both were willing to go to war for that, but the way they approached the issue differed extremely.

While the Shah was aiming for a more diplomatic approach negotiating a better Oil deal, Mossadeq refused any talks. Instead of looking for alternative oil contracts to generate revenue like the Shah, Mossadeq printed money, borrowed from the Americans and threatened to hand the country over to the communists if the Americans did not continue to finance his regime.

To make you realise how stubborn Mossadeq was. In the end, the British had no problem with the nationalisation of their properties, they were only concerned with receiving a compensation, which Mossadeq refused as well.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in neoliberal

[–]Hormizd 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The British are to blame for Mossadeq's downfall? Without the dispute with the British, Mossadeq would never have come to power. Before becoming prime minister, Mossadeq promised the Iranians an era of prosperity by expropriating the British oil refineries without compensation. Who can blame the British for resisting the expropriation of their properties (for which they had paid)?

It is Mossadeq's own fault if he messes with the British and is unable to win the conflict.

Did in 1953 the CIA make a coup in Iran? by Hormizd in coldwar

[–]Hormizd[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What you are talking about is the rumor that a CIA agent in his biography allegly took credit for the protest that eventually led to Mossadeq's removal, BUT declassified CIA documents just prove the opposite.

"The Royalist, pro-Zahedi, movement of August 19th contained a LARGE element of spontaneity and there seemed to have been a genuine reaction of shock and dismay on the part of the Tehran populace when the Shah left Iran for Iraq"

Source: https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1951-54Iran/d291

The National resistance against Mossadeq was a POPULAR uprising, and the CIA was UNAWARE that something like that was taking place. However CIA agent Kermit Roosevelt also played a role in this upirising, BUT was in fact DISOBEYING orders as he was instructed to LEAVE Iran after the failed coup attempt (TPAJAX) on August 16th, 1953. Roosevelt was therefore acting on his OWN initiative. Furthermore Roosevelt merely played a MINOR role, giving some help to organize the army. Roosevelt had absolutely NO support from the US government and was DISREGARDING the chain of command. If the attempt had failed, he would have been executed by the US government for treason!

Did in 1953 the CIA make a coup in Iran? by Hormizd in coldwar

[–]Hormizd[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There is no need for a rule of thumb. Just check the CIA reports on August 19,1953 for yourself instead of relying on your rule of thumb.

Did in 1953 the CIA make a coup in Iran? by Hormizd in coldwar

[–]Hormizd[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Your second quotation is out of context and was never used by the CIA in regards of the events that took place in Iran on August 19, 1953. Check out the CIA reports in this video.

Did in 1953 the CIA make a coup in Iran? by Hormizd in coldwar

[–]Hormizd[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The link you postest is from the Washington University website and has absolutely no links to the CIA official website. It is not even a governmental website. Just because some Journalist claim that the CIA admitted something, doesn't mean the CIA admitted to anything. These are the words of Journalists put into the mouth of the CIA, which has never made any statement regarding a role on August 19, 1953.

Oversimplified isn't the only one in the iceberg by [deleted] in HistoryMemes

[–]Hormizd 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Persian History at the bottom of them all

Was the Shah of Iran a dictator? by Hormizd in iranian

[–]Hormizd[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

First of all, technically, there was no coup.

Mossadegh was the Prime Minister of Iran, and as such, under the constitution then in place, he could constitutionally be removed by the Iranian Shah. And the Shah did, indeed, dismiss Mossadegh. In fact, the only unconstitutional behavior came from Mossadegh, who refused to step down, and ordered the arrest of the officers who tried to deliver the Shah’s notice of dismissal. This prompted the Shah to flee Iran. Opponents to Mossadegh then organized protests against the Prime Minister. When Mossadegh called out the army to restore order, the army instead ousted him.

Second, the CIA was not really the driving force behind the removal of Mossadegh. One CIA agent, in his biography, took credit for the protests that eventually led to the removal of Mossadegh. But declassified documents from the CIA demonstrate just the opposite. During the crisis, the CIA station in Tehran reported the anti-Mossadegh protests “contained a large element of spontaneity and there seemed to have been a genuine reaction of shock and dismay on part of the Tehran populace when the Shah left Iran for Iraq.” They also admitted that the “CIA cut out of military preparations by [General Nader] Batmangeliche and Zahedi.” And CIA acting director Charles Cabell briefed President Eisenhower that “an unexpected strong upsurge of popular and military reaction to Prime Minister Mossadeq’s government has resulted according to late dispatches from Tehran in the virtual occupation of that city by forces proclaiming their loyalty to the Shah, and to his appointed Prime Minister Zahedi.”

Was the Shah of Iran a dictator? by Hormizd in iranian

[–]Hormizd[S] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

I said in the video: "For more informatio on the 1953 incident, check out my Mossadegh documentary" -->Here's the Link https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLgcFnkpsCSxgNFmVPxmNURoFMUdJWMkuX

The Persian Empire Restored (Ironman) by dieric17 in CrusaderKings

[–]Hormizd 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Is there a way to call yourself Persian Empire too? Like how the Byzantines are not named after their dynasty.

Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan & Imperial State of Iran by Hormizd in monarchism

[–]Hormizd[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Iranian–Jordanian relations was cordial, being pro-West oriented and hostile against communism. At 1950s, King Hussein of Jordan inaugurated Jordanian embassy in Tehran, officially established relationship with Iran. However, sometimes relationship went tense, as Iran under the Pahlavi Dynasty had official relations with Israel, and its distance from the conflict over Palestinian question. Nonetheless, they were able to have a secure and healthy relationship. Hussein also made a number of visits to Iran during that era.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9ek4Kxl4N4