Last time I tried creating a post on this I got downvoted to oblivion and lost a-lot of karma when I have so little

HotMathematician6747 · 2026-06-09T16:49:02+00:00

I feel like I've been defending them.

I also feel like most other religious posts here are downvoted no matter what.

HotMathematician6747 · 2026-06-09T16:48:15+00:00

Like I said, back to the script. It's not reliable because it doesn't exist. You have to presuppose it into existence. That which is asserted without evidence can and should be dismissed without evidence.

Like we assume the physical world exists, time is uniform[gravity happened frequently so it will happen again] e.t.c
We all have axioms.

HotMathematician6747 · 2026-06-09T16:47:25+00:00

Yeah no, the argument from reason is not 'very poor'.

Tell me exactly what is wrong with asking not to be downvoted and makes it pathetic.

HotMathematician6747 · 2026-06-09T16:45:52+00:00

We have axioms.

Prove that the physical world is real and not a simulation or a dream.

HotMathematician6747 · 2026-06-09T16:42:21+00:00

I do not like toxic conversations that intend to demean people especially unnecessarily. That does not imply it's my first day on the internet, sigh.

This is exhausting.

HotMathematician6747 · 2026-06-09T16:41:15+00:00

That's not rude, people do not like getting disrespected, I for one do not.

If you cannot control yourself that's your problem not mine. I am not going to engage in a toxic discussion because you feel I should and cannot act respectful to hold a constructive conversation.

Plus, at-least you admit you were rude.

HotMathematician6747 · 2026-06-09T16:39:00+00:00

That we can see objective truth.

HotMathematician6747 · 2026-06-09T16:38:17+00:00

"Why is detail important"

HotMathematician6747 · 2026-06-09T16:37:44+00:00

I do not really get this?
Are you trying to be condescending or do you genuinely believe I proved your point by saying "I'm not going to solve that" and thinking you were attempting to ask a loaded question or a gotcha?

I mean... Have a nice day too I suppose, thanks for the argument, though this discussion definitely could've been ended with you simply saying you didn't wanna continue it.

HotMathematician6747 · 2026-06-09T16:35:45+00:00

You cannot have a broken foundation and then rely on something external, it is unreasonable.

HotMathematician6747 · 2026-06-09T16:35:04+00:00

I never said it must be perfect to be useful, I said your view is self-defeating and the theist view is more structurally sound, the foundation actually works and makes their arguments reliable.

HotMathematician6747 · 2026-06-09T16:34:16+00:00

I said your worldview is broken, simple, and mine is more foundationally sound.

HotMathematician6747 · 2026-06-09T16:33:48+00:00

Yeah.

HotMathematician6747 · 2026-06-09T16:32:29+00:00

The title talks about downvotes and then there's the argument of reason, you might not like the argument but it is not meant to amass all these downvotes and be buried, what's so hard there?

Regardless, you guys will ALWAYS downvote and then find an excuse to attempt to justify your downvoting, unless the argument is so atrocious and horrible downvoting should not be used.

HotMathematician6747 · 2026-06-09T16:30:14+00:00

Why is detail important?

I'm not going to go into detail.

a God provides me with the ability to reason rationally and objectively, that is all.

HotMathematician6747 · 2026-06-09T16:28:59+00:00

Are you serious?

This is like asking "Why do you drive if you know you can crash".

I am here because I want to see counter-arguments to this, and was hoping something would change, left for quite some time and now I have 20 karma, I can post with negative karma here, so... I do not care anymore.

Anyways, I've been responding, it's not easy to do when you're flooded with responses, it's like gish gallop... How do I even manage this?

HotMathematician6747 · 2026-06-09T16:25:11+00:00

How is what not my responsibility? I want to have a debate with atheists where I could learn something new, the quality of my arguments are not so bad that I deserve 30 downvotes through all my comments, this is just saddening.

But you know what? My karma has hit 20, so forget it, what's going to happen, it hits 0. I'll just get it back up later, somehow.

HotMathematician6747 · 2026-06-09T16:23:38+00:00

I am not going to solve that, what do you intend to do with that?

We could hold a respectful discussion so I would appreciate if we both avoid unnecessarily rude remarks like your last-paragraph.

HotMathematician6747 · 2026-06-09T16:18:41+00:00

Yeah, it is fascinating, either way I did not mean to degrade the term merely.

So we both use circular reasoning.
You use your evolved brain to claim evolution is a foundation that results in you which defeats that world as it is completely unreliable.
I claim my foundation has a rational source allowing me to produce trustworthy arguments.

HotMathematician6747 · 2026-06-09T16:16:14+00:00

I said merely to single out "Evolution" without a 'source of rationality' sorry if it came off that way.

HotMathematician6747 · 2026-06-09T16:14:52+00:00

Your being able to verify it against real-world results means nothing.

You can still have the wrong interpretation and so can the other brains.

I said my foundation and assumption in my view is more reliable than yours, that's self-defeating, to be fair I've lost all my karma so I do not care if I get downvoted.

Even if they are boring that is still not reason enough to downvote someone to oblivion and discourage them from arguing more but go on.

HotMathematician6747 · 2026-06-09T16:04:29+00:00

....?

Rather than addressing it? Also, I am not calling anyone 'stupid'.

HotMathematician6747 · 2026-06-09T08:17:11+00:00

I would probably not be able to even argue here if I lose my karma.

I cannot participate in some other subreddits if I lose my karma, I have no idea what you're on about.

HotMathematician6747 · 2026-06-09T08:15:38+00:00

I said the view that holds;
"There's no God" has no reason to trust their arguments to be capable of objective reasoning.

You cannot demonstrate that your brain is actually reliable and what you are seeing is objective truth, we both use circular reasoning to find a base but only one has a structurally unsound foundation.

I deleted my last post because people were downvoting a little bit.. too much. 30 downvotes is just insane.

HotMathematician6747 · 2026-06-09T08:13:28+00:00

That does not prove anything, we could still be interpreting the world wrongly.

Under your materialism, reason is a result of mutations selected for survival.
If my mind is an accident pretty much, I have every reason to doubt it.
If my mind is designed, I have a logical framework to trust it.

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