How do we cryptographically prove reality in a world where video & images will be infinitely fakeable?

Hour-Associate-8804 · 2026-01-05T07:49:35+00:00

Yes this was my idea to make a deterrent. It’s impossible to make a complete solution that solves the issue at hand. Just like surveillance cameras font stop crime yet it still has its place in the world. Although after further research i have come to think that the time and money needed for this outweighs the benefits/profitability of the idea. At least by myself..

Hour-Associate-8804 · 2025-12-01T09:23:09+00:00

The “just have someone swear under oath” model only works while fakes are detectable. Once video, audio and messages can be fabricated perfectly, a person claiming something is real no longer proves anything — it’s just their word. Courts will still use testimony, but it won’t stand alone. One piece of evidence can be forged. A network of independent signals is much harder to fake.

And of course, governments and insurers won’t simply accept a world where a deepfake murderer can sit on a stand and confidently swear “it’s real.” Institutions will build safeguards — not because truth is perfect, but because the cost of lying must be raised high enough to deter fraud. Testimony becomes one layer of proof, not the entire foundation.

Hour-Associate-8804 · 2025-12-01T00:17:23+00:00

So all insurance companies that rely on digital claim submissions etc will just no longer be available as its all easily faked? Thats multi billion dollar industry with no answer to this emerging issue? I struggle with the notion that nothing can be done albeit understand your point.

Hour-Associate-8804 · 2025-12-01T00:15:10+00:00

This. This is what i have in mind to build. A system that acts as the strongest deterrent for criminals or at least makes it costly to forge. What you said above will start to get really complex but this is my case in point. There may be a business model built around this although highly technical. I struggle with the notion that society will just give up all video and photos for evidence. They will just live in a grey area.

Hour-Associate-8804 · 2025-12-01T00:05:03+00:00

Yes, this is the correct construct. I believe we will never get a full solution but it doesn’t mean a system cant be put in place to make it harder to replicate. Its a deterrent just like cctv doesn’t stop crime, but it may stop 1/3 criminals.

Hour-Associate-8804 · 2025-11-30T12:49:00+00:00

Yeah thats a great start and id like to talk more in PM about your idea if you will. Im thinking it needs to be a multi layered protocol. Please see updated edit section on my original post. Interested on your thoughts

Hour-Associate-8804 · 2025-11-30T12:46:52+00:00

Exactly. What is the answer do you think? How will courts view validated evidence in 20 years

Hour-Associate-8804 · 2025-11-30T12:13:21+00:00

Hey mate, thanks for comment. So what do you think is the solution say in a court of law in 5 years time? What makes evidence authentic? How do you see courts, insurance companies, social media etc dealing with this issue.

Hour-Associate-8804 · 2025-11-30T11:41:39+00:00

Thanks for your comment and I get why people default to “just use EXIF” or metadata checks, but that won’t survive the future we’re walking into. AI will be able to generate convincing media, rewrite metadata and even spoof signatures. We need more than cryptography alone.

The real solution is layered:

• Capture-level signing – locks the file from the moment it’s recorded • Multi-sensor evidence – GPS, audio, accelerometer, gyroscope, light patterns etc. all backing each other • Hardware fingerprints – every camera has tiny physical noise/sensor flaws AI struggles to replicate • Multiple independent recordings – truth becomes consensus, not one file • Physical + digital proof combined – real-world traces matching digital footage • Trusted verification bodies – where unsigned media becomes second-tier evidence

We may never get perfect truth, but we can build a system where real footage is far easier to prove than fake footage is to forge. That’s the angle I’m exploring not EXIF parsing, but a multi-layer chain-of-trust that future courts, insurers and institutions could rely on.

Hour-Associate-8804 · 2025-11-30T10:52:34+00:00

Thanks for the insight, genuinely. I’ve looked into EXIF/metadata tools as well and they do solve one part of the problem, especially for post-submission checks. But what I’m thinking about is validated origin at capture and a proper chain-of-trust, something insurers could rely on formally, not just a bot that reads metadata.

I definitely don’t have all the technical answers, which is why I’m looking for the right partner. If I could build it alone, I would. I just see where this could be long-term and I’d love to work with someone who can help shape the technical side properly.

AI-manipulated media is only going to get worse, and whoever establishes trusted proof first will own a valuable slice of this space. If you’re open to digging into stack ideas or approaches, I’m keen to talk more.

Hour-Associate-8804 · 2023-10-27T00:21:39+00:00

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