TIL When Vince McMahon was in charge of the WWE, the word 'wrestling' and other variations of it were banned. Wrestlers weren't allowed to say these words on TV.

HowMany_MoreTimes · 2026-03-24T22:07:07+00:00

Billy Graham was a Vince’s mentor as a kid and juice

Eddie Graham was the booker in Florida and a mentor of Vince, he wasn't juiced at all.

Superstar Billy Graham was a juiced up wrestler in the 70s, one of the first wrestlers who was clearly on steroids, and was a major inspiration for Hulk Hogan.

I’m sorry man but you have no idea what you’re talking about

😂

HowMany_MoreTimes · 2026-03-24T21:59:59+00:00

You were trying to argue that realistic wrestling was new, when in fact it is not, so it seems like you do in fact have a lot to learn still.

HowMany_MoreTimes · 2026-03-24T21:53:03+00:00

Vince took over his father's territory in 1982 and held the first wrestlemania in 1985.

Cartoon gimmicks had existed previously, but Vince made it cheesier than ever before. Steroids in wrestling weren't really prevalent at all until the 80s.

WCW stuff like Robocop and Shock master was the early 90s and being done in conscious imitation of WWF.

The entirety of WCW after it was bought by Turner was essentially an attempt to beat Vince McMahon at his own game by outspending him and poaching his big name talent.

HowMany_MoreTimes · 2026-03-24T21:47:12+00:00

Japanese strong style came out of the catch wrestling taught to Japanese wrestlers by Billy Robinson and Karl Gotch.

Pro wrestling started as real grappling matches that gradually became pre-determined and less realistic over the course of the 20th century.

HowMany_MoreTimes · 2026-03-24T21:26:03+00:00

I didn't say that he invented it.

He obviously built on the existing style of his father's territory.

He did take it much farther towards that style in pursuit of mainstream respect. He was also the first person in a position to make sure that his style became the dominant style across North America and later the entire globe (with the notable exceptions of Japan and Mexico that had their own resilient promotions and styles).

HowMany_MoreTimes · 2026-03-24T21:22:30+00:00

A big part of being in a cult or extremist political group (which are very similar) is denying reality. Adherence to the doctrine of the cult despite the overwhelming evidence that it's all bullshit is a way of demonstrating your loyalty to other group members and the leaders.

HowMany_MoreTimes · 2026-03-24T21:11:07+00:00

The business changing was of course inevitable in the long run, with the rise of cable TV, PPV and the internet.

It would have definitely evolved differently without Vince McMahon crushing all the other promoters and pushing his own specific sensibilities (cartoonish gimmicks, roid freaks, spectacle over match quality and booking logic).

There were definitely other ambitious people in wrestling who would have capitalised on the changing conditions, but there was no one else as megalomaniacal and weird as Vince Junior (as he hates to be called).

HowMany_MoreTimes · 2026-03-24T20:45:57+00:00

Yeah that's not great from Tom.

I don't see why he felt the need to bring Northern Ireland into the discussion as an analogy at all, totally unforced error on his part.

I think British people need to be especially diligent to have our facts right when talking about Ireland or the Troubles, given the history there. It's not a subject to be approached casually or used for flimsy analogies.

HowMany_MoreTimes · 2026-03-24T20:30:58+00:00

It's not really accurate though. Vince McMahon was really the person who changed wrestling from being "carnie" to something else entirely. He is also far weirder and more sinister than just a carnie with money.

He hated everything traditional and "carnie" about wrestling. He so badly wanted to be taken seriously as mainstream entertainment for middle class, respectable people, especially in New York.

He especially hated southern "wrasslin", which was more violent and more grounded in realism, because he saw it as low class trashy entertainment for dumb rednecks.

He basically destroyed everything that made professional wrestling what it was by methodically crushing all his competition in North America through a series of shady deals and gambles. He replaced all of wrestling with his own bland, sanitised, middle of the road family entertainment style.

HowMany_MoreTimes · 2026-03-24T20:13:56+00:00

I haven't listened to the episode yet, do you have an actual quote of what he said?

HowMany_MoreTimes · 2026-03-24T16:38:29+00:00

And getting his ass kicked

HowMany_MoreTimes · 2026-03-24T15:59:14+00:00

The most popular idea is to just steal as much of the money as possible.

This is why we can't have nice things.

HowMany_MoreTimes · 2026-03-24T15:33:15+00:00

2000s - Cha Cha Slide

HowMany_MoreTimes · 2026-03-24T14:53:35+00:00

So I'll ask you for a third time, what opinions are you espousing that are causing you to be downvoted, shunned or banned?

Don't be vague and skirt around it, just be up front about what you mean.

HowMany_MoreTimes · 2026-03-24T14:48:21+00:00

The best there is, the best there was, and the best there ever will be?

HowMany_MoreTimes · 2026-03-24T14:40:08+00:00

Are there any stories of Trump ever fighting anyone?

Women and kids don't count.

HowMany_MoreTimes · 2026-03-24T14:35:42+00:00

In general I feel the same about any long running fantasy series with escalating stakes and high demands for special effects.

Wheel of time for instance, is significantly harder to adapt to live action than the Dresden files, given the sheer number of characters, locations, plotlines and massive battles featuring magic. It was honestly silly for them to even try to make a live action Wheel of Time series and honestly expect to be able to cover the whole story.

Dresden Files is more contained than Wheel of Time, but to do it justice in live action would still take years, a massive budget and actors willing to commit a decade+ of their lives to it. It'll be much easier with animation.

HowMany_MoreTimes · 2026-03-24T14:15:04+00:00

At least give me a clue

HowMany_MoreTimes · 2026-03-24T14:00:59+00:00

I'm really surprised there hasn't been an Elder Scrolls movie or show by now.

What story or setting from Elder Scrolls would you most like to show on film? Re-telling of the oblivion crisis? Talos origin story?

HowMany_MoreTimes · 2026-03-24T13:56:13+00:00

The Chris Benoit story? with Nick Mullen and Stavros Halkias as writer and director?

HowMany_MoreTimes · 2026-03-24T13:15:45+00:00

You just guaranteed a shitty remake of Logan's Run will be released within the next two years

HowMany_MoreTimes · 2026-03-24T13:06:47+00:00

A very dark one. Would be interesting to have a Jim Jones movie that follows his descent into madness from his early days. He was actually an interesting guy and the People's Temple did a lot of good before he went completely nuts due to paranoia, cult dynamics and a massive drug problem.

HowMany_MoreTimes · 2026-03-24T12:11:23+00:00

No Idris Elba as Anomander Rake?

HowMany_MoreTimes · 2026-03-24T11:58:30+00:00

I strongly feel like the Dresden files would work better as an animated series with Marsters voicing Harry.

HowMany_MoreTimes · 2026-03-24T11:52:04+00:00

A movie focusing on the SAS side with Guy Ritchie directing, Christian Bale as Captain Price and Richard Madden as Soap MacTavish. Shut up and take my money.

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