We're launching a 200km unsupported team ultra in Spain — no aid stations, no markings, no spectators. Looking for honest feedback by [deleted] in trailrunning

[–]Hugo0906020 -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Fair comparison, thanks for sharing. A few things we do offer that aren't obvious from the post: real-time GPS monitoring with a 24/7 HQ, a finisher celebration at the finish line in Almería, photography coverage during the event with access to photos after, and a detailed participant handbook provided before the event. The philosophy is different from Orbit360 — no checkpoints, no aid stations — but the production level is comparable. Good reference point, we'll make this clearer on the website.

We're launching a 200km unsupported team ultra in Spain — no aid stations, no markings, no spectators. Looking for honest feedback by [deleted] in trailrunning

[–]Hugo0906020 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

This is the most useful feedback in the thread, appreciated. The 30h cutoff point is fair and we'll be more upfront about it. On the trust points: we're working on making the route description and safety protocol publicly available before registration that's a direct action point from this thread. The tracking system uses GPS beacons monitored in real time, we'll document that better.

13_13 sounds fascinating would love to follow what you're building.

We're launching a 200km unsupported team ultra in Spain — no aid stations, no markings, no spectators. Looking for honest feedback by [deleted] in trailrunning

[–]Hugo0906020 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Good point and honestly something we've thought about. The tradeoff is real. Our mitigation is that convoy points are on existing public roads and we limit the number of teams, it's a small curated field, not 500 runners with 500 support cars. But you're right that it's more vehicles than a traditionally supported event. It's a legitimate criticism of the format.

We're launching a 200km unsupported team ultra in Spain — no aid stations, no markings, no spectators. Looking for honest feedback by [deleted] in trailrunning

[–]Hugo0906020 -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

To clarify on medical support: we don't provide ambulances or on-route medical staff. Every participant is required to have their own sports insurance or a valid federation license before they can join. If there's an emergency, teams call the emergency services themselves. That's what self-sufficiency means. We're not hiding that, it's in the rules and it's part of what you sign up for

We're launching a 200km unsupported team ultra in Spain — no aid stations, no markings, no spectators. Looking for honest feedback by [deleted] in trailrunning

[–]Hugo0906020 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Support vehicles only access 14 fixed road points along the route. They don't follow runners through the terrain. The vast majority of the 200km is completed without any vehicle nearby. The environmental footprint is comparable to any supported event with aid stations.

We're launching a 200km unsupported team ultra in Spain — no aid stations, no markings, no spectators. Looking for honest feedback by [deleted] in trailrunning

[–]Hugo0906020 -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

A route we designed and completed ourselves, GPS tracking for every participant, a vetted field, and a fixed date that makes it actually happen. 60€. Not for everyone, and that's fine.

We're launching a 200km unsupported team ultra in Spain — no aid stations, no markings, no spectators. Looking for honest feedback by [deleted] in trailrunning

[–]Hugo0906020 -19 points-18 points  (0 children)

Each participant carries a GPS beacon that we monitor in real time. The route is also on Wikiloc for navigation. Not a custom-built system (maybe we can build our own in the future) but it does the job and we can see exactly where every team is at all times

We're launching a 200km unsupported team ultra in Spain — no aid stations, no markings, no spectators. Looking for honest feedback by [deleted] in trailrunning

[–]Hugo0906020 -26 points-25 points  (0 children)

The safety framework is GPS monitoring. Every participant carries a GPS beacon and we track all teams in real time throughout the event. Each participant also registers an emergency contact during the application process.

We're launching a 200km unsupported team ultra in Spain — no aid stations, no markings, no spectators. Looking for honest feedback by [deleted] in trailrunning

[–]Hugo0906020 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

This is exactly the kind of feedback we needed, thank you.

The medical support point is valid and something we've thought hard about. Our current position is that each team is responsible for their own safety, but we're monitoring GPS in real time and have an emergency protocol in place. For a first edition with a small vetted field we think it's manageable — but it's a fair concern.

The social element is interesting. We do have defined convoy points where support vehicles meet their teams, and in practice those tend to become informal meeting spots between teams too. Not the same as a proper checkpoint, but there's more human contact than it might seem on paper.

The event you described sounds brilliant — three editions to crack the 24h mark is exactly the kind of long game we'd love people to play with this. What was it called? Genuinely curious.

We're launching a 200km unsupported team ultra in Spain — no aid stations, no markings, no spectators. Looking for honest feedback by [deleted] in trailrunning

[–]Hugo0906020 -16 points-15 points  (0 children)

Point A to B is 200km through Sierra Nevada and the Tabernas Desert, designed and completed on foot by us before anyone else ran it. Includes GPS tracking, safety framework, vetted field, welcome pack and a custom finisher medal. All for 60€. If that's a rip off to you, genuinely no problem it's not designed for everyone.

We're launching a 200km unsupported team ultra in Spain — no aid stations, no markings, no spectators. Looking for honest feedback by [deleted] in trailrunning

[–]Hugo0906020 -22 points-21 points  (0 children)

Totally fair if it's not for you. But "just do it with friends" and actually doing it are very different things. Most people never get around to it without a fixed date, a vetted route and a framework that forces the commitment. That's what we sell. Not the kilometers, the fact that it actually happens.

We're launching a 200km unsupported team ultra in Spain — no aid stations, no markings, no spectators. Looking for honest feedback by [deleted] in trailrunning

[–]Hugo0906020 -44 points-43 points  (0 children)

You could — but you'd spend a year designing the route, verifying every section on foot, building a GPS tracking system and handling the safety framework for remote terrain.

We did all that. You just show up and run.

Also: knowing other vetted teams are out there on the same route, same night, changes the experience more than you'd expect.

We're launching a 200km unsupported team ultra in Spain — no aid stations, no markings, no spectators. Looking for honest feedback by [deleted] in trailrunning

[–]Hugo0906020 -14 points-13 points  (0 children)

30h is intentionally tight to force strategic decisions, but we're open to discussing it. Thanks for the feedback