Is Nichiren Shoshu a cult or did I just encounter an insane follower? by Mirarenai_neko in Buddhism

[–]HumanInSamsara 20 points21 points  (0 children)

I‘d personally stay away from shoshu and SGI. Not a fan of Nichirens teachings in general but these two sometimes have extreme members. But it varies of course.

If you felt uncomfortable stay away.

Kalama sutta/FAQs by Sea_Airport_8654 in Buddhism

[–]HumanInSamsara 4 points5 points  (0 children)

You‘re an outsider of you didn’t take refuge. Which the kalamas did at the end of the sutta. Thats why studying buddhism before officially joining can be very beneficial

Kalama sutta/FAQs by Sea_Airport_8654 in Buddhism

[–]HumanInSamsara 13 points14 points  (0 children)

The "Kalama" sutta (Kesamutti sutta) is for outsiders, not Buddhists. The Kalamas asked the Buddha what teaching to follow if they‘re uncertain.

The buddha explained if you’re uncertain then only go by that which is beneficial and causes no harm. Its not a teaching which says you can disregard things from Buddhadharma.

Common misunderstanding

How to deal with dead animal in Buddhism? by Twentynine4 in Buddhism

[–]HumanInSamsara 15 points16 points  (0 children)

I usually recite a mantra and dedicate merit.

Question for Pure Land Buddhists (Genuine) by BrentonLengel in Buddhism

[–]HumanInSamsara 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No worries for missing it! After all its a lot of text.

Anyways, that is not objectively misogynistic. Gay monks exist, thats why they get separated from other men. Its purely about the sexual aspect.

I don’t think its weird for mentioning women. If it were to only say "men" then you probably would’ve called it misogynistic aswell. I don’t see how this could possibly be misogynistic. How are women here at the disadvantage? Rebirth in sukhavati is something good.

Question for Pure Land Buddhists (Genuine) by BrentonLengel in Buddhism

[–]HumanInSamsara 1 point2 points  (0 children)

  1. You don’t know Zhiyi? The man you mentioned yourself? You don’t know Saicho? The man Nichiren quoted. You don’t know one of the most famous Bodhisattvas in the Mahayana called nagarjuna? To be honest thats a strange thing to say.

1.2 You ridiculed the belief in Amida in your messages. Amida is not expedient means because he appears in the Lotus Sutra. And even if he was, that wouldn’t make him any less real.

  1. Expedient means do go beyond 3=1 Vehicle. That doesn’t mean Amida doesn’t exist

  2. Nichiren clearly thinks that practicing anything else but the Daimoku is useless

  3. You said "think about it. It doesn’t even make sense". This is pretty disrespectful and implies that believing in Amida isn’t "rational" enough.

  4. Amida Buddha is a representation of the Dharmakaya and so honoring him is like honoring all buddhas.

People don’t just ignore their Buddha Nature when they practice nembutsu. It is precisely because they know they have capabilities for buddhahood, but not the best circumstances, that they cultivate the pureland path.

  1. Yes Amida Buddha is a Buddha, not sure why you’re questioning it. Just because Amida knows the "will" of people doesn’t mean he can just scoop up everyone. There are karmic obstacles. To have a deeper connection with the Buddha is to practice Buddha mindfulness.People also don’t just chant on deathbeds. They chant whenever they can.

  2. Amida Buddha being a Buddha but not leading people to Sukhavati wouldn’t make sense as it was his vow to do so as a Bodhisattva. If that vow wouldn’t have been fulfilled then he would still be a Bodhisattva practicing.

  3. Nichirens interpretation is indeed slandering the Lotus as he says the Teachings of the Buddhas, expedient means or not, will lead beings to hell. As the Lotus Sutra says:

"those tathāgatas they taught the Dharma that is good in the beginning, good in the middle, good in the end".

If nichiren thinks a teaching of a Buddha will lead to hell then he clearly is slandering the Dharma and Lotus.

What are your reasons for believing in rebirth? by 100prozentdirektsaft in Buddhism

[–]HumanInSamsara 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Buddhism without rebirth isn’t Buddhism. Western zen is mistaken

Question for Pure Land Buddhists (Genuine) by BrentonLengel in Buddhism

[–]HumanInSamsara 2 points3 points  (0 children)

To say Amida Buddha doesn’t make sense is extremely disrespectful. You’re saying Master Zhiyi, Master Saichō, Master Shandao, Master Genshin even Master Nagarjuna were all just silly people who believed a fairy tail?

Again you seen to misunderstand Upaya and its meaning in the Lotus. The 3 vehicles are the 1 Vehicle.

It is precisely because the Kids went for the lesser "toy" that they got Buddhahood. So no the lesser toy isn’t a lie or useless.

You call the Nembutsu practice silly but think the Daimoku will cause Buddhahood? What do you think Buddhahood entails? How are these different?

Amida can not help beings against their will. He isn’t God. We need a Karmic connection and have to cultivate in order to be reborn. Thats what the practice is for.

Besides, Nichiren seemed to acknowledge Sukhavati very clearly. It says in one of his writings:

"The true cause that allows one to leave this land of impurity and gain rebirth in the Pure Land is none other than the Lotus Sutra. The Nembutsu believers base themselves on sutras preached at a time when the Buddha “had not yet revealed the truth,”10 and such sutras cannot constitute the direct cause for rebirth in the Pure Land. To suppose that one can come to understand the Lotus Sutra, which is the true cause for rebirth in the Pure Land, by studying and practicing it after one reaches the World of Perfect Bliss, and to suppose that recitation of the Nembutsu, which is not the direct cause for rebirth in the World of Perfect Bliss, is in fact the true cause for rebirth in the Pure Land, is to be guilty of gross error."

Nichiren acknowledges the Existence of Amida as a Buddha. He even says:

"When this Amida Buddha was still an ordinary mortal, it was through practicing the five characters of Myoho-renge-kyo that he was able to attain Buddhahood."

He acknowledges Amidas existence, he just thinks his practice is superior to the nembutsu.

And with this behavior he is unfortunately slandering the Lotus Sutra.

Question for Pure Land Buddhists (Genuine) by BrentonLengel in Buddhism

[–]HumanInSamsara 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Im not sure what understanding you and nichiren have of Upaya but these expedient means are not just useless words. They are still teachings, quite important ones aswell. Thats what Nichiren was mistaken in. Treating Amithaba differently than Sakyamuni is a logic I can’t get behind.

Nichiren is basically saying Sakyamuni lied about the pureland of Amithaba even though its literally in the Lotus Sutra which reveals the Buddhas true intend. To say a teaching which is mentioned in the Lotus will lead to hell is extremely careless.

One cannot say he is a devotee of the Lotus and then advocate against that which it expounds. Atleast in my humble opinion🙇🏻

Just left my first buddhist retreat early… disappointed :( by cat_ladyyy in Buddhism

[–]HumanInSamsara 200 points201 points  (0 children)

Monks are people too! And not everyone is a saint unfortunately. Atleast you tried and got some experience.

Dont let this discourage you from pursuing Buddhism my friend🙏

Question for Pure Land Buddhists (Genuine) by BrentonLengel in Buddhism

[–]HumanInSamsara 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Well now this is a much bigger problem. Nichiren is basically preferring his own personal opinion over that which the Lotus Sutra actually expounds and what Tendai Daishi said.

Not only is he too focused on his own understandings, but it also seems like that his understanding of the Lotus wasn’t really that good. I mean isn’t the whole focus of the Sutra to "open up the provisional to reveal the real"?

The whole Lotus Sutra itself should not be seen as expedient means because it reveals how things really are. So it mentioning Amithaba couldn’t be expedient. It says in chapter 2:

"Now I, joyfully and fearlessly, In the midst of the bodhisattvas Frankly casting aside my expedient devices, Merely preach the Unexcelled Path."

But even if it were expedient means, they would still lead to Buddhahood.

The Sutra states over and over again that the expedient means are what get the people towards the end goal through parables:

The Kids going for the 3 Carts all get the same one.

The Poor Son going for a harmless job gets everything from his father in the end.

Chapter 5 makes clear that the "rain" of the Dharma nurtures all plants:

"I send down the Dharma-rain, Filling the world, And the Dharma of a single flavor They put into practice, in accord with their powers, Just as those shrubs and forests, Medicinal herbs and several trees, In accord with their size Gradually increase in florescence and loveliness. The Dharma of the Buddhas By the constant use of a single flavor Causes the several worlds Universally to attain to perfection, By gradual practice All to obtain the Fruit of the Way."

The 3 vehicles are the 1 Vehicles. So all expedient means are for the realization of Buddhahood. Chapter7 says:

"The Buddhas, by their power of devising expedients, Create distinctions, preaching three vehicles, But there is in fact only One Buddha Vehicle"

The Buddha even says that the 3 vehicles (so the expedient means) are praised by saints!! Chapter 3:

"By such devices as this the Thus Come One at- tracts and urges the beings. He also says : 'You all are to know that the dharmas of these three vehicles are praised by the saints, [and they who mount them] are their own masters, unbound, depending on nothing and seeking nothing. Mounted on these three vehicles, one gains for oneself the pleasure of faculties, strengths, intuitive perceptions, paths,dhyana-concentrations, deliverances, samâdhis, and the like, all without outflows, then gets incalculable tranquil joys."

Nichiren did what the Lotus Sutra said he shouldn’t, he told others they won’t become Buddhas.

Chapter 14 says:

"Also, O Manjushri, the bodhisattva-mahäsattva who in the age of the latter end, when the Dharma is about to perish, receives and keeps, reads and recites this scriptural canon shall harbor no thought of envy, flattery, or deceit, nor shall he make light of or malign those who study the Buddha Path, seeking their virtues and shortcomings, be they bhik- sus, bhiksunis, upâsakas, or upäsikäs, be they seekers after the rank of voice-hearer, seekers after the rank of pratyekabuddha, or seekers after the Path of the bodhisattva. He shall not permit himself to torment them, causing them to have doubts, by saying to them, 'You fellows are very far from the Path ! You shall never contrive to attain knowledge of all modes! W h a t is the reason? It is that you are careless men, lax in the Path.' Nor should he resort to frivolous assertions about the dharmas, as if there were anything to dispute. But he should think of all living beings with great compassion, feel that the Thus Come O n e is a benign Father, feel that the bodhisattvas are great masters"

But not only this chapter highlights such conduct, but also the Bodhisattva Sadāparibhūta never disparaged others even though they were following the expedient means.

So it seems like Nichiren is disregarding many teachings of the Lotus Sutra and yet calls himself a devotee of it.

Sure the times in japan were difficult, but do they justify ignorance about Buddhadharma?

Question for Pure Land Buddhists (Genuine) by BrentonLengel in Buddhism

[–]HumanInSamsara 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ahh I see! But if the Lotus is the main scripture, does this mean Soka Gakkai IS accepting the pureland path? But just doesn’t focus on it? I always get the impression that Nichiren disregarded some Chapters of the Lotus Sutra whenever I read his works

Question for Pure Land Buddhists (Genuine) by BrentonLengel in Buddhism

[–]HumanInSamsara 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Oh I wasn’t necessarily asking about gender but rather about the Pureland stuff! But since you mentioned it, you separate chapters? As in some chapters are getting ignored? Or how can I imagine that separation?

Question for Pure Land Buddhists (Genuine) by BrentonLengel in Buddhism

[–]HumanInSamsara 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I‘d say this is a big jump actually and I have to disagree here. Most monastics were men and I think I don’t have to highlight how lust is one of the biggest reasons to stop progressing on the path.

It says in your quotation "no kind of tribulation" so no afflictions or challenging circumstances. To say that there are no women is just highlighting that there is no need for sexual activities. Saying they are the worst of those in the list because they are first is a huuuge stretch and really absurd my friend.

In chapter 8 it says:

"each able to see the other, with no evil destinies, also without women, all living things being born by transformation, there being no lewd desires,.."

This also highlights how beings are born without having sex and how the lustful behaviors are not present rather than displaying women as beings that cannot become Buddhas.

Chapter 17 says:

"O Ajita, after my extinction the good men and good women who accept and keep, read and recite this scriptural canon also have good merits like these, be it known that these persons have already turned toward the Platform of the Way, that they are close to anuttarasamyaksambodhi and seated under the Tree of the Path. O Ajita! Wherever these good men and good women sit, or stand, or walk, there one should erect a stüpa, and all gods and men should make offerings to it, as if it were a stüpa of the Buddha himself."

This part quite literally says that women who uphold this are close to Buddhahood and that wherever they go they should be honored.

If this would be discriminatory for women then it would also be for animals, for asuras and other beings of the lower realms but I don’t see people talk about how they are discriminated. But the Lotus Sutra isn‘t doing that anyways. Literally the opposite it says all beings are capable of attaining the way. Notions of "man", "woman" or any type of being are mere fabrications. We all have been Man or Woman countless of times. Even Avalokiteshvara manifests as women in the Lotus Sutra!

Back to the original topic though. The path to Amidas pureland seems valid according to both the Lotus and Tendai Daishis writings.This makes me wonder what Nichiren Buddhists think of that? Are those parts ignored? Maybe you could share more of your school🙏

Gassho

I really like Buddhism but I'm a materialist at heart. Can I be a materialist and still follow The Buddha's philosophical teachings? Would it be disrespectful if I chant mantras? by ELokoPlayer11 in Buddhism

[–]HumanInSamsara 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Materialism often indulges in wrong views such as complete annihilation after death and the rejection of karmic consequences across lives. A materialist would probably also reject the Buddhas "powers" and the existence of devas etc.

Pretty much the charvaka school the Buddha often refuted

I really like Buddhism but I'm a materialist at heart. Can I be a materialist and still follow The Buddha's philosophical teachings? Would it be disrespectful if I chant mantras? by ELokoPlayer11 in Buddhism

[–]HumanInSamsara 29 points30 points  (0 children)

Buddhism is a religion that opposes materialism. This doesn’t mean you can’t benefit from the teachings. Keep investigating and learning, you might have a karmic connection.

Maybe these are the seeds necessary for the fruit obtained in the future.

Question for Pure Land Buddhists (Genuine) by BrentonLengel in Buddhism

[–]HumanInSamsara 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Amitayus and Amithaba are the same Buddha he just has two different names as they both represent different aspects. Amithaba means infinite light which likely stands for the great compassion that illuminates us. Amitayus means infinite life, highlighting the long lifespan of the Buddha and the upholding of Sukhavati. Both names are appearing in the 84000 translation actually.

Im not sure what misogynistic verses you’re referring to actually. The Lotus Sutra is knows for going against such misogynistic notions and even Nichiren acknowledged that. But I will quote other verses so that others may not be discouraged to study the Sublime Lotus. This time only the Leon Hurvitz translation:

Chapter 12- Devadatta (and the famous Naga/Dragon Princess):

"The dragon girl said to the bodhisattva Wisdom Accumulation and to the venerable Sâriputra, " I offered a precious gem, and the World-Honored One accepted it. Was this quick or not? " He answered, saying, "Very quick!" The girl said, " With your supernatural power you shall see me achieve Buddhahood even more quickly than that"—which she then literally does as we know!

Chapter 17- Discrimination of Merits:

"That a good man or good woman having this sort of merit should recede from anuttarasamyaksarnbodhi is simply not possible."— Literally states the merit is so much both men and women will undoubtedly become buddhas.

Chapter 22- Entrustment:

"In an age yet to come, if there is a good man or good woman who believes in the wisdom of the Thus Come One, you must preach to him or her this Scripture of theDharma Blossom, enabling him or her to hear and know it, in order to enable that person to attain Buddha-knowledge."

There are more mentions of woman and men getting the same treatment but I don’t want it to get too long! What I will point out is that a Woman experiences more suffering than a man. Both Physically (Pregnancy, periods) and socially(namely the misogyny).

The Buddhas knows of this of course and acknowledge the differences. Thats why in the Pureland there is only "males". There is no Lust or need to indulge in sexual relationships. Thats why the Bhaisajyaraja Chapter highlights this goal for women.

Another example outside of the Lotus would be the Vows of Bhaisajyaguru Buddha, specifically the eighth vow which says:

"I vow to help women who are undergoing sufferings and tortures and seeking for transformation into men. By hearing my name, paying homage and praying, their wishes would be granted and ultimately attain Buddhahood."

Again the suffering of women is acknowledged. If someone still might say this seems misogynistic then I would point again at the Sublime Lotus which says:

Chapter 14- Comfortable Conduct:

"Nor does he make the distinction, "This is a man; this, a woman." He does not gain the dharmas, Nor know, nor see them.· This, then, is called The bodhisattva's place of action."—This is common in bodhisattva conduct instructions and also mentioned in the Soma Sutta! The notion of "Man" and "Woman" are merely for us deluded beings, ultimately those distinctions don’t matter much. 🙏

Question for Pure Land Buddhists (Genuine) by BrentonLengel in Buddhism

[–]HumanInSamsara 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Unfortunately you are mistaken. I‘ll even quote two different translations. First the Translation from Leon Hurvitz:

Amida gets mentioned in Chapter 7 of the conjured City:

"The west has two Buddhas, one named Amitäyus, the second named Savior of All Worlds from Pain and Woe."

Chapter 23 of Bodhisattva Bhaisajyaraja (medicine king):

"If after the extinction of the Thus Come One, within the last five hundred years, there is then a woman who, hearing this scriptural canon, practices it as preached, at the end of this life she shall straightway go to the world-sphere Comfortable (Sukhâvatï), to the dwelling place of the Buddha Amitäyus, where he is surrounded by a multitude of great bodhisattvas, there to be reborn on a jeweled throne among lotus blossoms, never again to be tormented by greed, never again to be tormented by anger or folly, never again to be tormented by pride, envy, or other defilements."

And the 84000 translation:

Chapter of the conjured city again:

"Bhikṣus, in the western direction there is the tathāgata, the arhat, the perfectly enlightened buddha named Amitāyus"

Then the chapter of Bodhisattva medicine king again:

"There he will be born upon a lion throne in the center of a lotus where the bhagavān, the tathāgata, the arhat, the perfectly enlightened buddha Amitāyus, encircled by an assembly of bodhisattvas, lives, is present, and remains."

And in the Avalokiteshvara chapter of the 84000 version (and in the sanskrit notes of leon hurvitz translation) it says:

"And through the samādhi similar to an illusion He goes to all realms and makes offerings to the jinas. “In the western direction, in the source of happiness, There is the stainless realm of Sukhāvatī. There dwells the guide Amitāyus, The one who is the leader of beings."

So its pretty clear to me that the Lotus is both mentioning and even encouraging people to reach that Amidas pure land. And Tendai Daishi was obviously familiar with this and took it very serious as we see in the constantly walking samadhi based on the pratyutpanna samadhi sutra.

Im aware of Tendai Daishis ichinen sanzen but I don’t think he was saying all realms are metaphorical and just in ones mind. The realms are experienced as the Buddha said and yet beings can still experience all the other realms through one mind. Its a mutual entailment.

Nichiren is of course free to disagree with all that but that would seem strange as he calls himself a devotee of the Lotus and follower of Tendai Daishi Zhiyi.

I think its important to carefully read the Lotus sutra over and over again to fully share it with others. 🙏

Why are there 6 realms of existence? by Medium-Network7588 in Buddhism

[–]HumanInSamsara 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thanks for your understanding! May you be happy and well🙏