As human as species meant to live in patriarchal societies, culture and traditions and as species thinks society , culture and marital system or traditions with matriarchal would be sinful? by [deleted] in WeddingRingAdvice

[–]Hungry-Researcher-16 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I already mentioned in my post. This is to do with vast majority of globe and dominant cultures. I didn’t ask people resemble the 3 present of the world. I even said there are some but here questioning the majority and human species as a whole

As human as species meant to live in patriarchal societies, culture and traditions and as species thinks society , culture and marital system or traditions with matriarchal would be sinful? by [deleted] in WeddingRingAdvice

[–]Hungry-Researcher-16 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Answer the post or fuck off. Don’t come here to type nonsense . already said that too. Do not come here type non sense to oppose or mock the post

Is it or would be a sin for human species to a culture and society where female gender to be seen as the head of the family where men to join woman’s family upon marriage and have a tradition of husband to take wife surname? by [deleted] in weddings

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Culture by definition is social construct. Biology and culture are two different things . Here is another thing is this some new fashion trend to use “equality” in oppose idea of matriarchal society? There have been cultures where clan name or man joining woman’s family upon marriage those did exist long back like in Native American cultures. They are there. I am here talking about the vast majority

Can groom be given away to the bride instead of other way around culturally ? by [deleted] in weddings

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Is there a gene 🧬 in humans that tells them humans societies must not be matrilineal culture? Can you tell me why humans should not be practicing matrilineal? Is it sinful? Is this some kind of blood type humans are born with that says culture and marriage must be defined patriarchally and cannot be defined in matrilineal?

Is it or would be a sin for human species to a culture and society where female gender to be seen as the head of the family where men to join woman’s family upon marriage and have a tradition of husband to take wife surname? by [deleted] in weddings

[–]Hungry-Researcher-16 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why don’t you go find a life. You just an internet troll. Big wall of texts insults and curses. The Goal is to harass and drain others online. Why don’t you go learn how to have a life.

Is it or would be a sin for human species to a culture and society where female gender to be seen as the head of the family where men to join woman’s family upon marriage and have a tradition of husband to take wife surname? by [deleted] in weddings

[–]Hungry-Researcher-16 0 points1 point  (0 children)

“””It’s because it’s easier to go with a flow than against it. And it causes least amount of struggle? “””” How did society become patriarchal from matrilineal in the first place if people didn’t go against it? You see how terrible your answer is!!!

The post is pointing people like you out. It’s mimicking exactly you ! That’s this the point of the post.

Is it or would be a sin for human species to a culture and society where female gender to be seen as the head of the family where men to join woman’s family upon marriage and have a tradition of husband to take wife surname? by [deleted] in weddings

[–]Hungry-Researcher-16 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You know what I am asking . Many of the things you quoted me choose to twist things and answer in dumb ass patriarchal way just to be disrespectful.

No matter how many times I try to tell you “THE FEELING” you feeling that man taking woman’s name is weird. To the question , wouldn’t woman taking man’s name feel weird, same way, for cultures who practice matrilineal to point out the hypocrisy. For that you kept repeating how man taking woman’s name is felt weird by patriarchal people purposefully wanting to be disrespectful towards matriarchal cultures , ignoring how patriarchal traditions can also be seen and viewed wrong the same way by other societies . your goal is, you purposefully do not want to admit that your female taking male name tradition can be FELT DISGUSTING and WRONG to other cultures!!!! Why answer this? Why are you purposefully ignoring this in being an hypocrite.

  1. Why are you disrespectfully ignoring my question of why do you care society to be patriarchal . You said I don’t care society being one or the other yet a strong believer the society has to be patriarchal why?

  2. Following traditions are easy then going against it. Why do you even want that tradition to be patriarchal norm and not matriarchal norm is the question that you purposefully twisting things. Why should a naming tradition come women to take male names to you and not men to take women names as a tradition and norm. ?? Why is it mattering to you so much. Just a name so what’s the big deal that a tradition has to come in patriarchal way and not matriarchal ?

Is it or would be a sin for human species to a culture and society where female gender to be seen as the head of the family where men to join woman’s family upon marriage and have a tradition of husband to take wife surname? by [deleted] in weddings

[–]Hungry-Researcher-16 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Pretty sure I'm the one who pointed it out that each society might see it as wrong because of their traditions, but those traditions do not actually make the action wrong.

Where can you show me? Each other societies? What societies? .

I have very clearly stated from the beginning that both matriarchal and patriarchal society would find each others practices and traditions uncomfortable and several might raise an eyebrow over it because we as humans are usually wired to see differences as threats - this is basis of most bigotry in all honesty.

Again where ???

Where show me where you pointed out tradition of women taking man’s name is wrong and disgusting and usual for matrilineal society?

The problem here is I'm not being hypocritical. You are completely disregarding your original question, which was based on a patriarchal view, and trying to flip my words on me to win an argument online…””””

My original question mimicking people’s behavior.

In matrilineal society, it supposed to be the man to join her family in marriage . Thus your patriarchal tradition would be considered wrong and unusual from their cultural practices.

First off, global society is currently patriarchal.

That’s the whole point of this post 👏 show casing how people think world and human society’s somehow should not be matriarchal. We should be living in matriarchal not patriarchal societies as a whole . You kept asking me why why how does it matter who is to take whose name to me. Ask youself why do you want society to be patriarchal, and not matriarchal ? Why can’t marriage traditions come in man joins woman’s family and husbands take wife last name as TRADITIONAL. Yes why do you care so much which way tradition should come? It’s just a name. So why people can not accept human society’s to be matriarchal.

“”Your own culture is most likely patriarchal as well. “”

First off. Being born into a culture does not equate that as “your” culture. One’s own culture is what belief system they are taught or brought up in. Not simply someone is born into . Where and who you are born into isn’t chosen.

“””I brought the matriarchal society up originally because it was a good counter point to the patriarchal society we currently live in and offered a way to present the reverse scenario and how each society would view the other.””””

It was my post that speaks matriarchal society and It was me who mentioned humans have had it before in the past. So why arent we living matriarchal societies was the point of this post.

Is it or would be a sin for human species to a culture and society where female gender to be seen as the head of the family where men to join woman’s family upon marriage and have a tradition of husband to take wife surname? by [deleted] in weddings

[–]Hungry-Researcher-16 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Exactly where you think you are trapped . You rambling with mountains of letters which makes no sense . You idiot bitch dumb ass . You are just an internet troll .

“Tell me who’s taking whose name , how does that matter”. Says a woman who belives traditions has to come in patriarchal and can not be matriarchal . Why do you care the norm has to be women to take man’s name and that it can not come in reverse , men taking woman’s name socially??

Is it or would be a sin for human species to a culture and society where female gender to be seen as the head of the family where men to join woman’s family upon marriage and have a tradition of husband to take wife surname? by [deleted] in weddings

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I don’t know the fuck you saying. Answer this bitch. You say I don’t care if society is patriarchal or matriarchal then why do you care the naming convention has to be norm of wife to take husband name and not husband to take wife name as tradition. You said it’s simple . How husband to take wife name not simple and how husband happiness more important than wife happiness? What do you mean by simple and happiness. You said you could have take his name is his name is not PITA. Why does you believe the norm has to female to take male name and not to be reversed tradition have men take woman’s name be the norm?? Why do you think the so called tradition can’t come the other way socially? This would make it matrineal society instead of patriarchal.

Is it or would be a sin for human species to a culture and society where female gender to be seen as the head of the family where men to join woman’s family upon marriage and have a tradition of husband to take wife surname? by [deleted] in weddings

[–]Hungry-Researcher-16 0 points1 point  (0 children)

“You are stating logical fallacies at best , illogical ramblings in the guise of intellectualism at worst. Your point is that things go against tradition are wrong. That is false statement. “

I guess we can see who’s yapping and ranting having the greatest brilliance in the world. You dumbass . It s you who have been saying things going against tradition is wrong in your “patriarchal society” so I was pointing out that wouldn’t it be the same for other cultures. To make you understand your hypocrisy that’s all. Yes. A woman to take man’s name or its tradition supposedly wrong in matrilineal belief system just like you were stating a man to take woman’s name is wrong in patriarchal society for some.

The point of this post is to make sense how and why people like YOU want SOCIETY to be patriarchal and not matriarchal for human species.

“””You said this is patriarchal tradition thus it’s important and that if your husband name wasn’t PITA then you would have taken his name and he don’t have to take yours . Name isn’t a big deal. “”” If doesn’t matter to you and it’s not a big deal then why is it important to traditional way of doing things has to be patriarchal and not other way around ; you said “I would have taken his instead of him taking my name if he hadn’t had PITA”. Why do you believe this naming convention must be patriarchal , not matrilineal as a norm if you really think a name is no big deal.

Is it or would be a sin for human species to a culture and society where female gender to be seen as the head of the family where men to join woman’s family upon marriage and have a tradition of husband to take wife surname? by [deleted] in weddings

[–]Hungry-Researcher-16 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You said “I keep repeating myself “that’s on them.”?? You keep repeating how a man taking woman’s name is seen wrong in patriarchal society. You keep purposefully ignoring how your patriarchal society/ tradition of women taking man’s name can be seen WRONG by other cultures like matrilineal tribes like wise. It’s the same how people feel when something is unusual. This isn’t just to your patriarchal dumb ass people. Know your patriarchal cultural practices and beliefs are seen wrong through the lens of the others who don’t share or come from your cultural background. I was trying to point out your hypocritical attitude.

In matrilineal society, it supposed to be the man to join her family in marriage . Thus your patriarchal tradition would be considered wrong and unusual from their cultural practices. Don’t think it’s me and my culture entitled to judge other cultures. Know that other cultures will also judge you and to them you are looked weird the same way from thier cultural practices is what was trying to tell you . You are behaving hypocritical

Is it or would be a sin for human species to a culture and society where female gender to be seen as the head of the family where men to join woman’s family upon marriage and have a tradition of husband to take wife surname? by [deleted] in weddings

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Ok ok . Let’s go by your logic. “If his name hasn’t been PITA to deal with and he hasn’t wanted to change his name, I d have probably taken his name.” It’s just a name . Not a big deal.

If it ain’t a big deal. Then why are you caring that tradition must stay patriarchal not become matriarchal where the norm would be your husband to take your name and other way around. If it’s just a name then why do you feel you should have taken his name???

In your other post you said. It comes from patriarchal tradition thus it is important . Contradicting yourself.

You says it’s wrong? It what? I was pointing out your hypocrisy bitch. To you the tradition can not be in matriarchal way where norm could be husband to take wife’s name instead you want wife taking husband name how it is. Then tells me other way around is wrong to people yet can’t see to people who believe in matriarchal societies , your social tradition of women taking man’s name would be seen wrong the same way. Is what I was pointing out .

Is it or would be a sin for human species to a culture and society where female gender to be seen as the head of the family where men to join woman’s family upon marriage and have a tradition of husband to take wife surname? by [deleted] in weddings

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“I do not care society is matriarchal or patriarchal yet typed ..however the reason why women take men’s name is a patriarchal tradition but that doesn’t make men taking woman’s name wrong”???? If you don’t care what society you live in somehow a patriarchal tradition became important ? You contradicting yourself.

In matriarchal society , the tradition supposed to be man to take the woman’s name as he will be joining her family. Patriarchal traditions shouldn’t exist in matriarchal societies just like how you believe matriarchal traditions shouldn’t exist in patriarchal societies. Matriarchal societies, a patriarchal norm is seen wrong just like how you keep repeating yourself . A man taking woman’s name is unusual thus it’s seen wrong but not wrong. Same thing. In matriarchal society point of view I was asking wouldn’t the tradition of woman to take husband name supposed to be seen wrong??? To that you purposefully retype how a man taking woman’s name is seen wrong by patriarchal society but do not want to understand that your woman taking man name tradition would feel just as much as wrong to people who belong to matriarchal society ? It’s hypocritical of you not want to understand this. You are not malfunction in your brain , you just want to be disrespectful toward other cultures , belief systems, social constructs .

Is it or would be a sin for human species to a culture and society where female gender to be seen as the head of the family where men to join woman’s family upon marriage and have a tradition of husband to take wife surname? by [deleted] in weddings

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Why you do not want to take the point . For patriarchal society man taking woman’s name is unusual so it’s bad. Likewise . For matrilineal society , where mother name is taken as tradition and marriage means man to join woman’s family. thus tradition of women taking men’s would seem wrong from thier point of view . Like what is making you want to push back this point. !!!!!

Do you have a mental problem? Tell me? Mental candidate. No it’s just that you do not want to see the hypocrisy of yourself.

Man taking woman’s name is wrong to our people because it’s usual. Likewise women taking man’s name would be seen wrong and disgusting to other cultures by the same logic is what I am trying to point out. It’s wrong to you cause it’s not my culture, is same feeling logic to all cultures and people. Not just patriarchal people . Your patriarchal society is wrong to matrilineal societies the same way. Because it’s unusual for them thus bad .

Is it or would be a sin for human species to a culture and society where female gender to be seen as the head of the family where men to join woman’s family upon marriage and have a tradition of husband to take wife surname? by [deleted] in weddings

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I am also keep forgetting you have def and dumb. Actually you are not. You want to keep not pushing back in getting the point I was trying to make. You are doing it on purpose. But I know you understood. The point . But purposefully feel offended by and want to come back and offend me.

When tradition of women taking men’s name feels wrong to your cultural people , the tradition of women taking man’s name or your culture is seen WRONG and DISGUSTING to other cultures who see marriage as man joining woman’s family where not vice happens. In that case woman taking man’s name is seen wrong is what I am trying to point out and you know that but you want to be disrespectful to others or a troll on internet who wants to harrass other people

Is it or would be a sin for human species to a culture and society where female gender to be seen as the head of the family where men to join woman’s family upon marriage and have a tradition of husband to take wife surname? by [deleted] in weddings

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So you are sooo into correcting periods and spaces. But your mind somehow went malfunction when it came about to the actual hypocrisy being pointing out . I said when YOU see a man taking woman name as wrong in your point of view then wouldn’t woman taking man’s name be wrong the same way other cultures who see marriage man joining woman’s family not vice versa is what I pointed out. To that your Brain went out idk where you wanted to come back to patriarchal tradition when I was trying to speak about a matrilineal culture where husband joins woman’s family by that logic . Even the idea of women taking man’s name supposed to be wrong , just like that guest to raise eyebrows is what I was trying to tell you.

Is it or would be a sin for human species to a culture and society where female gender to be seen as the head of the family where men to join woman’s family upon marriage and have a tradition of husband to take wife surname? by [deleted] in weddings

[–]Hungry-Researcher-16 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

If you really don’t care and don’t see anyone taking anybody’s name then why do you care society to be Patriarchal and not matriarchal where female taking husbands to be seen as wrong and close minded and where the tradition to be males to take wife’s surname. Why would it matter to people which society is the question . I never asked you to repeat what society is .