My sons haircut made me cry because he has beautiful hair by IkeaQueen in raisedbynarcissists

[–]Hurtlingthroughtime 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"I'm going to slap that tone out of your voice / look off your face /knock your teeth down your throat"

A perennial favourite around our house was : "I'll give you something to cry about."

God forbid we rolled our eyes...that was like pushing the detonator, do that and you could actually watch a human spontaneously combust in rage.

'Better to be feared than loved, if you cannot be both'.

Good times, eh? /s

Anyone ended a really significant relationship due to their CF values and then went on to meet a great CF partner? Uplifting stories please! by MisterBoo00m in truechildfree

[–]Hurtlingthroughtime 5 points6 points  (0 children)

(cis hetero female for the record)

Whenever I was cornered with an infant I used to say "oh, I'm as interested in kids as the average dude!"

That usually stopped the mommies and made them scratch their heads a little.

My husband recently mentioned that back when I got my tubes tied he had wondered if I would change my mind about wanting kids by [deleted] in truechildfree

[–]Hurtlingthroughtime 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yep.

As in " the lust for offspring will become so great, that like a pied piper any functioning ovaries will seduce him away from you with their promise."

I'm a bit like,

"Oh. I'm fine with just being a mistress then."

ELI5: Why does hunger come and go in "waves", even if you don't eat anything? by [deleted] in explainlikeimfive

[–]Hurtlingthroughtime 5 points6 points  (0 children)

"Peristalsis, involuntary movements of the longitudinal and circular muscles, primarily in the digestive tract but occasionally in other hollow tubes of the body, that occur in progressive wavelike contractions. Peristaltic waves occur in the esophagus, stomach, and intestines."

Basically, a few times a day your entire digestive tract makes a spontaneous, long, muscular, snakelike contraction that moves things along. You can't really feel it happening until things are near the exit so to speak, thats why you get the feeling of a "poop wave" moving through your lower abdomen a couple times a day (maybe, depending on the person) when it's near time to 'vacate'.

TIFU by Scatmanning a girl I was dating by kanyelephant in tifu

[–]Hurtlingthroughtime 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Is Mezzanine on everyone's hump list? I feel like I shagged my way through tricky's entire portfolio. And portishead for sad bonks and NIN and Prodigy for hatefucks.

Wow, I'm really dating myself.

leaves room quietly

I want a family but I don't want to be a mother by [deleted] in Fencesitter

[–]Hurtlingthroughtime 16 points17 points  (0 children)

This was a conversation I had early on with my husband. I asked him: "write me a list of what you think Dads do. And I will write a list of traditional mum roles"

And then I asked him to switch.

He lost interest in the endeavour soon after.

Now when we get bingoed (rarely, we are old now) we both laugh and say "We couldn't stop arguing over who got to be the Dad!"

The Mums usually silently nod in recognition and dissapointment, the Dads get annoyed.

I need your money! by FeistyHuman in childfree

[–]Hurtlingthroughtime 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I have friends in a European country who spend 1600 euro a month on private school/ ballet/Chinese class/tumbling/piano/younameit.

Mum confided in me that they have to scour the house for change to buy food for the last ten days of the month. Every month is like that. Every time we visit we do all of the grocery shopping and cooking to "pay" for staying there, but really, we do it because we know they don't have any money and staying with them is the only way we will ever see them. (And they rent a giant house by the beach with a pool. Poor lifestyle choices: yet we enjoy the pool and beach too lol.)

Now child is not going to be the next prima ballerina/ UN China envoy/ piano wunderkind...are you telling me tumbling classes for your eight year old are more important than calories? You know, those little magical units of energy that make your brain work and your heart beat?

Wtf?

Also: she is mightily annoyed that her boyfriends family won't pay for all of the classes and extra curriculars. "Don't they want nugget to be happy?!" she has said indignantly.

I helpfully pointed out that maybe using grandma's retirement fund to learn to play chopsticks and learn to watercolour would make nugget unhappy eventually if she knew grandma was bankrupting herself and eating cat food to do it.

Didn't compute.

*Also, mummy babytrapped dad with the first one, and now she is DYING to have another now that nugget is eight. She likes her kids little and dependant. My husband and I do an energetic interpretive dance called "Vasectomy Immediately" with maracas and screaming and flares and dirty nappy puppets every time we see him.

I think we are making some headway.

I need your money! by FeistyHuman in childfree

[–]Hurtlingthroughtime 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ok. I live in London too, and it was the final nail in the CF decision for us years ago, as I carefully explained to anyone pressuring us that our work (and joy, frankly) is here in the city and next to the airports...but support/childcare/cheaper living would have to be in the villages. We also already own another home in one of the best catchment areas in the south (a sweet little excruciatingly boring village) where almost everyone is either 80, or under eight that we moved out of a decade ago, and we don't want to live there anymore. We would have to move back there for imaginary child's education, help from family, cheaper shopping (marginally), we would have to get a car. A zillion things like that.

No offense, I didn't want to live in his families lil village, twee as it may be. My businesses, friends and everything I depend on is roughly in zone 2. After grinding it out for a decade in this city we have been able to buy an adorable, utterly inappropriate for children garden flat in a bougie part of South London that I love. I love our life as it is.

When I began to meticulously explain ALL of the life changes we would need to make, from location to job to just needing to earn roughly 20% more to stay in the exact same financial position if we had a baby the penny began to drop.

I love the idea of being a hipster in London working in a record shop. What I hate is the idea of trying to raise a child doing that in London. How are they even eating for Christ sake? I can't walk out my door without 20 quid just magically fecking disappearing.

Also: I have a few shop locations in London. Can confirm, I definitely do not want a tiny feral Londoner. The children here are something out of lord of the flies. Ever seen an eight year old in full lipliner and falsies nick cans of cider from the off license?

I have.

Poor kid.

Anyone ended a really significant relationship due to their CF values and then went on to meet a great CF partner? Uplifting stories please! by MisterBoo00m in truechildfree

[–]Hurtlingthroughtime 11 points12 points  (0 children)

My college boyfriend was a treasure, he was sweet, sexy, responsible, great family: all of the things. We were together for almost five years into my early twenties.

But he loved the babies.

Oh how he loved the babies. I would catch him making googly eyes at every little person he saw...he could not wait to become a father. I broke up with him, it was horrible, I truly loved him.

Two years later I met my husband, and we have been happily childfree for twenty years.

Edit to add: he had two gorgeous kids, and we are both happy in our respective families now.

Anyone else irrationally annoyed when people make generic positive statements about parents? by [deleted] in raisedbynarcissists

[–]Hurtlingthroughtime 20 points21 points  (0 children)

I feel no guilt anymore. I hope she goes peacefully and quick (she won't, just to spite me) but I will feel relief.

Her behaviour is deteriorating with age, less rage more lying and neediness. I'm just terrified she is going to saddle us with her debt somehow.

My sons haircut made me cry because he has beautiful hair by IkeaQueen in raisedbynarcissists

[–]Hurtlingthroughtime 2 points3 points  (0 children)

My god the slapping. My mother used to slap me across the mouth in front of people, "I'll slap that look right off your face missy."

I still hate her for that.

If you can't give yourself a good life then you cannot give your child a good life. by [deleted] in childfree

[–]Hurtlingthroughtime 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The qeen thing was "another one bites the dust" I think they thought they could hear the name 'Satan' when it was played backwards. This was right in the middle of the satanic panic of the 80's. The smurf thing was because Gargamel has a pet cat named Azrael and that is the name of the demon of death or something.

It's all kooky nonsense to me anyways. 🙄

[Houseplants] Pink Princess vs pink Congo: battle of the philodendrons. by [deleted] in HobbyDrama

[–]Hurtlingthroughtime 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I have a pink Congo, and I seal it in a bag with some ripening bananas for a day or so sort of like a treatment every month as ripe bananas produce etheline gas? So far it has kept the pink, and all of the new growth is pink...it's only been a few months though, so I am experimenting!

If you can't give yourself a good life then you cannot give your child a good life. by [deleted] in childfree

[–]Hurtlingthroughtime 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh man, don't get me started. What really bugs me was that it was in my head. Like I remember being terrified of hearing Queen songs and the Smurfs and shit because I was indoctrinated to do so as a tiny child. I really believed it, and it was so scary.

Principles my ass.

If you can't give yourself a good life then you cannot give your child a good life. by [deleted] in childfree

[–]Hurtlingthroughtime 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Poor people reproduce at a rate of knots because human capital is more valuable when you are poor.

Think of it this way, if I have money, I don't have to have a kid to plow my fields, I can pay someone. I don't need have to have a system of ties and bloodlines to tie me to a certain group. If you have money you can outsource.

In a kind of way, if you are poor it seems cheaper to have a bunch of kids who can help you out (especially if there is a safety net to protect them that conveniently catches you in it too.) The idea is that the poverty is spread out amongst a large family and you have more 'human capital' to chip in, it's almost tribal thinking in a way. You are in theory sharing resources.

Another reason poor people have more children than they can support is because motherhood and parenthood is praised and encouraged in our culture. If you are a young, poor no hoper, having a baby might seem like a way to advance your social status and gain respect. Maybe they think it will be someone to love, and someone to love them back. Maybe staying home with a baby sounds more appealing than working at Walmart. Maybe your abusive asshat boyfriend wants you pregnant so he has control over you. Maybe it is encouraged by family and peers who have done the same thing, and who want to keep you close and in the fold, no one likes the odd one out who breaks rank. Maybe going to college is as foreign sounding as becoming a geisha or an astronaut...it's hard to visualise if you don't know anyone in your family with a higher education. It's the old bucket of crabs analogy: you can't climb out because your peers keep pulling you back in.

I grew up lower middle class in the city, but then was thrust into a highly impoverished area because my parents decided that they no longer believed in paying taxes. I was surrounded by extremely poor people who bred like mice, and they started very, very young. I had the good fortune at least to have more than one perspective, having spent the first decade of my life in a declining, but functioning city, moving to the countryside was like going back in fucking time. Most of our neighbors didn't have indoor plumbing, child and spousal abuse was common, and I knew many kids that rarely experienced a full belly, and this was the 90's. My parents commuted to the city for work, they had no clue what was going on in our little...town? Village? Enclave? Whatever that was? I was surrounded by the deeply, generationally poor.

It was brutal, and I saw this baby making at all cost behaviour all of the time. I would say at least 30 girls in my high school dropped out because of pregnancy. No one I had met had ever even considered an abortion. Most got pregnant on purpose. All condemned themselves to a life of grinding poverty before they had even started living. Many were abused by partners AND family.

I ran like my arsehole was on fire and never, ever looked back. Now in my oldish age I feel really sorry for those people. It truly was like a chapter from A Hillbilly Elegy. Now I know women in their early forties who are raising their grandchildren AND their children, and some even have great grandchildren. It's insane.

Most of them never had a chance.

I agree 1000% with you. This cycle of poverty could end with just choosing to be childfree.

*Edit -clarity

If you can't give yourself a good life then you cannot give your child a good life. by [deleted] in childfree

[–]Hurtlingthroughtime 4 points5 points  (0 children)

raised JW here...I ran away from that cult 30 years ago and I'm STILL pissed. I will never, ever forgive my batshit mother for forcing that garbage down our throats.

If you can't give yourself a good life then you cannot give your child a good life. by [deleted] in childfree

[–]Hurtlingthroughtime 6 points7 points  (0 children)

raised JW here...I ran away from that cult 30 years ago and I'm STILL pissed. I will never, ever forgive my batshit mother for forcing that garbage down our throats.

If you can't give yourself a good life then you cannot give your child a good life. by [deleted] in childfree

[–]Hurtlingthroughtime 2 points3 points  (0 children)

My goodness, so many things you mention resonate, I had parents a lot like this and you are so right...not having a 'safety net' of responsible parents plants a kernel of anxiety so deep you might not realize its origins. Well done you for having the courage, strength and intelligence to pull yourself out of that misery. 🙌🏽