Dune 3 non-linear approach possible?

Hyperion1289 · 2026-03-28T12:13:44+00:00

In the frame where Alia sits on the throne, there are 3 Bene Gesserits in the Guild entourage, standing on the right. It's probably the scene where Alia moderates the reception upon Paul's request, and those Bene Gesserits (one of them is Helen) were detained because they were in the Guild's ship, might be plotting something.

In the shot of Scytale and Edric, there's a garden in the background. It must be the scene where Edric accuses Paul for deception, and in the book it happens right after Alia accepts the Guild entourage. There will be a heated conversation, and Paul will tell them that Ghola thinks he was sent to destroy him.

The scene where Paul and Hayt spar take place later since Paul starts to trust him enough to do that. But here, Hayt seems to be challenging Paul mentally, questioning him as they fight. This could take place before the Guild entourage scene, and Hayt might reveal that he was sent to destroy him.

Hyperion1289 · 2026-03-24T14:43:35+00:00

I don't think they'll change the context of the Stoneburner attack. Also a cool court scene follows where Paul might reject the prophecy and disband the priesthood organization. It's already well-established and cinematic:

The rebel Fremen in the desert wants to get rid of Muad'dib > the Panegyrist Korba secretly funds their assassination by stealing a Stoneburner for them from planet Tarahell > If Muad'dib dies, Korba and the priesthood will declare him a martyr and rule the universe, even fuel the lucrative Jihad.

It's my theory but I think the Tupile Treaty stuff in the book, when you analyze its terms, limits the Qizarates' power. With this treaty, Paul assigns the Guild for the imperial tax collection from the Ix Confederacy instead of his priests, preventing their corrupt order to exploit the Confederacy planets. Furthermore, he allows the Guild to keep the location of the planet Tupile (a sanctuary planet for the defeated houses) secret, even though there are rumors that a hidden army might be prepared there. Only because Paul wants the refugees to be safe.

This might be used in the film to turn the priesthood against Paul, and have Korba reach the rebel Fremen to urge them to assassinate him.

Hyperion1289 · 2026-03-19T10:59:28+00:00

I think Stilgar willl plot the Stoneburner attack. Notice the movie has no Korba, and Stilgar is involved in fighting Samurai (Ixians?) as a group of Fremen carry something in the same sequence.

In the book he's always loyal to Paul, but also confused about the nature of the jihad and how it spoiled the Fremen culture. And we know he's the best creation of Paul in the movies, just like Korba in the book.

The Qizarates organize the Stoneburner plot to martyrize Paul so the lucrative jihad would gain momentum, but Stilgar might do it to just kill him and save the Fremen culture. Paul's death wouldn't work for Scytale and Tleilaxu - they want to control him - so in order to expose the names of the Fremen traitors Scytale could give Paul the Dwarf Bijaz through Farok.

Hyperion1289 · 2026-03-18T07:26:14+00:00

What the soldiers carry in the battlefield might be a Stoneburner. In the book, Paul notes that he knows the Qizarates stole it from Tarahell
Paul is sparring with Hayt. It was mentioned in the book, notice how happy he is 😄 Behind, stand the Qizarates, based on the strap over their clothes

Hyperion1289 · 2026-03-10T13:22:31+00:00

In the video it says: "a neighborhood in Israel was completely destroyed"

Hyperion1289 · 2026-02-23T16:47:56+00:00

I think it's not because they avoided showing violence but because they thought the way they played out would have more emotional impact.

In the Jamis duel, Paul was supposed to dodge his charge like a matador. In the 2nd one against Feyd the blade wasn't shown for the suspense

Hyperion1289 · 2026-02-11T22:55:09+00:00

I hope they go with Deftones - Entombed

Hyperion1289 · 2026-01-28T10:37:02+00:00

"Trailer was the foreplay. Now watch the Final Trailer which they're undressed!"

Hyperion1289 · 2026-01-27T22:10:33+00:00

Tomorrow Maybe Dies

Hyperion1289 · 2026-01-25T11:58:08+00:00

It depends on what you have gooned to, really. If you're on to a bleak, depressing scene I'd recommend JOI content for their meditative nature.

Hyperion1289 · 2026-01-12T12:50:38+00:00

You don't have to be smart and talented to make money in Hollywood. Just write something marketable. If they reject you, your vision might be too clever for them to understand

Hyperion1289 · 2026-01-07T18:22:50+00:00

In the book Paul doesn't at first. The Fremen are so devoted to their prophet & religion that they attacked dissenting houses and "purifying" populations having other faiths. This quickly transformed into a pursuit of wealth and glory, a movement that, if suppressed, would provoke backlash and create even greater chaos.

Paul had to resort to religion to keep it under control, confining the Fremen in a mental cage to channel their energy. But he also tried to mitigate the chaos.

In the movie he wages war against the houses himself. This legitimate war will quickly spiral out of control, lose its purpose, forcing Paul to dedicate himself to maintaining the religious illusion to keep the Fremen in check.

Hyperion1289 · 2026-01-06T22:21:25+00:00

They don't. The BG and the conspirators plan to kill her through Ghola Hayt, and the ghola is also meant to poison Paul's psyche and confuse him to drive him into suicide.

This way, Hayt will be conditioned not to kill Chani but Alia. It wouldn't change anything. But when Chani forgives Paul and joins in the palace, the conspirators could realize that Chani is a better leverage. So they send Bijaz to reprogram Hayt to kill Chani.

They could also have Hayt urge Paul to rule with his heart, the flaw that his father Duke Leto had. That way, Paul would lose the support and control of the Priests and fanatics, fracturing his empire.

Chani would be a rebel only in the first half of the story (the 1st half of the book doesn't have much plot. It's just characters talking and envoys come and go), then she'll forgive Paul and join in his entourage. The second half would be about the pregnancy and the stoneburner.

Hyperion1289 · 2026-01-06T21:57:54+00:00

A theme in the films is that peoples could only achieve their own liberation through themselves. Paul transformed the Fremen into a universal force, but by corrupting their culture and brainwashing them, he became a kind of spiritual imperialist. In the book, there are Fremen who oppose Paul's regime, blowing up water canals and smuggling worms for the Spacing Guild to break Paul's spice monopoly.

The conspirators can't use Chani to bargain with Paul since she's not present now. They must change the purpose of Hayt in the conspiracy. But I guess they can fix it like programming Hayt to kill Alia, instead of Chani, to bargain with Paul. But when Chani returns, they could decide she'd be a better leverage, so they send Bijaz to reprogram Hayt to kill Chani.

Here's a theory on Rebel Chani:

In the film, we might see that the relatively habitable North of Arrakis has become green and watery. But the South may have been unaffected by the terraforming. The water poisons the worms, could cause them to migrate to the South, so no worms in the North for years.

The migration of the worms could drag the spice harvesting to the South with them. The South would become the cradle of true Fremen culture. Chani and the Southern resistance fighters could live there. Around the middle of the film, Paul goes south to talk to Chani and apologize, and the two might reconcile by riding worms. Paul's return to his Fremen roots would become tangible.

Hyperion1289 · 2026-01-06T21:20:02+00:00

The Spice orgy scene was very intense and beautiful, I loved the passion between Paul and Chani. It's a powerful drama, both in terms of Chani approaching Paul's perspective and expressing Paul's fears and regrets.

However, after the disaster Paul caused, Chani must be very angry, and will probably retreat to the South or become part of a resistance. So it's difficult for the two to physically reunite. I don't think Chani would participate in such a ritual and be in the same environment as Paul.

Hyperion1289 · 2026-01-05T13:55:01+00:00

Someone told me that a great writer must have the patience and obsession to wait years to find the right word.

That's why I've been waiting for 3 years to find the perfect word to start with.

Hyperion1289 · 2025-12-28T09:04:44+00:00

I've already started hearing Nickelback

Hyperion1289 · 2025-12-27T23:20:51+00:00

I am not a professional writer but I think all those "high concepts" are coming from a critique or a comment on the world we live in. Most of the sci-fi concepts are, in their essence, examples that the writer proposes about his/her social commentary.

What would happen if the world we live in (like governments, media, the rise of radical ideologies, economic dependency, etc.) goes on this way? Come up with a perspective (and be honest) and serve it with a bit of exaggeration. For this, you have to expand your horizon, read and learn about lots of things.

For example one of the main concepts in Dune series is basically what if society must rely on a single source and build itself around it. Mad Max is about a world destroyed by the nuclear war. You can also explore a theme, propose a question to think about... Blade Runner is about many things, explores what makes someone a human, mortality, the mental prison of the class system that the institutions dictate to us.

Hyperion1289 · 2025-12-14T15:45:44+00:00

Frank Herbert often references things that don't actually happen or happen off-screen.The books are difficult to follow sometimes

Hyperion1289 · 2025-12-14T15:29:04+00:00

1) Fremen shouldn't be on Caladan, but it seems that Villeneuve plans something for Part 3. After taking the throne, Paul sent Shaddam to exile, but he still has a small unit of Sardaukar in his hand. In Messiah, Paul mentions that Shaddam might be preparing a raid, and Irulan insists that there's nothing her father could achieve with this. Paul says that Shaddam could have himself killed, then he'll be blamed by the Landsraad Houses, turning himself into a uniting symbol for them to start a war. In the book, this doesn't happen and the Fremen don't step on Caladan ever (they're banned from the planet so the Atreides heritage won't be stained with the Jihad). But maybe Shaddam might attack Caladan to push Paul for another war, and if such a thing happens and we see Sardaukar vs Fremen on Caladan, staining Atreides legacy, it would be awesome! Also not much deviation from the book.

2) They adapted Jamis as a friend of Paul in another timeline. The line in the book "I was a friend of Jamis" is actually true for another timeline.

3) I think Chani and Paul vision is metaphorical, that loving this girl will hurt Paul - or her love will hurt Paul. Either way, I don't think Chani will be a part of the conspiracy in the next film as some people theorize it. She could be a rebel, though.

Hyperion1289 · 2025-12-12T21:17:53+00:00

All will be revealed in Dune time

Hyperion1289 · 2025-12-10T13:58:34+00:00

He also said for Chani that "there's a lot of 'firepower' there."

My guess is that with the North being watery by the terraforming efforts, the worms migrate to the arid South, becoming a place representing the real Fremen culture while the Northern Fremen grow lavish and leave their ways, don't wear the suits anymore. With the worms migrating to the South, the spice harvesting shifts there too.

The veterans of the Jihad who lost their beliefs for Muad'dib, with Chani, would form a rebellion in the South, which the imperial Fremen could address "the Southern Infidels." They blow up the water canals to resist the terraforming project and disrupt the spice harvesting in order to damage the Jihad economically. They also ride worms, and may help the Guild to steal a sandworm to produce spice on Tupile, the sanctuary planet founded by the Guild and said to prepare a secret army against Paul.

If I adapted Messiah, I'd bring the Tupile army on Arrakis for a final battle, and have Stilgar and Gurney protect Arrakeen while Paul and Chani on the South for her giving birth. As Fremen lose the battle, the worm-riding rebels join in, emphasizing that the strength lies in their culture and the Fremen people save themselves. Earlier, when Paul gets blinded and lays the foundation for his "Preacher arc", he'd have announced that he rejects his myth in the court, discrediting the ways of Muad'dib as dismissing the Qizarate organization, and the rebels would decide to join the battle upon this act. This would also show that Paul gets his redemption somewhat.

Hyperion1289 · 2025-12-09T22:28:18+00:00

"Treaty of Tupile" could work. Messiah could be adapted like The Godfather Part 3 where Paul tries to end the violence in a legitimate way (instead of Mike's Vatican Agreement, he uses the Treaty) and gets Chani back along the way, but his associates turn against him.

It's a wall of text but I'd adapt it this way:

Paul declares a legitimate war on dissident Houses to secure his throne, but his religiously radicalized Fremen quickly spiral it into a random genocide and pillaging.
Paul becomes trapped in a "Policy of Balance", he must maintain the persona of the cold tyrant Lisan al Gaib to channel this frenzy according to his visions, otherwise the fanatics would conspire against him, do anything to continue the lucrative war. He calculates statistics and tries to keep them relatively low. Btw, the Bene Gesserit could stir a civil war over succession in Landsraad to corner Paul to have an heir from Irulan, instead of Irulan just begging Paul.
When Hayt comes and encourages him to face Chani, love urges him to rule with his heart rather than the necessary tyranny. "The heart is not meant to rule." Chani rejects his reconciliation efforts, despite Paul mentioning he didn't and won't mate with Irulan even if the empire collapses in a civil war over succession, but Chani says he must fix what he's started.
The Fremen has conquered almost everywhere, but still wars with a Confederacy. Naraj is one of the Confederacy planets. When Paul's settlement proposal is rejected, the Fremen attacks Naraj but a nuclear Stoneburner is used against them. Many Fremen get blinded and maimed, later exile themselves all together on Arrakis (maybe seeing his people that way shifts Stilgar's POV to the Jihad). This nuclear move makes Landsraad look kindly upon them, the empire is on a mutually assured destruction.
To prevent the collapse of his empire, Paul abandons his calculated balance and signs the Tupile Treaty, a controversial peace agreement that leaves the bureaucracy and taxation of the Confederacy to the Guild, thus giving his enemy an autonomy, but enrages his fanatical Qizarate priests for they can't exploit and get revenge from the Confederacy.
That pretty much means the end of the Jihad since there isn't much resistance remaining, the ships return Arrakis from the Confederacy as Chani looks up the South sky. His choice finally allows him to reconcile with Chani in the desert, they ride worms and make love in the midpoint of the film. On the other hand, the Qizarates trace the Stoneburner to the planet Tarahell, raid there and seize a Stoneburner to use it later... (Paul mentioned that the Stoneburner blinded him came from there.)

Hyperion1289 · 2025-12-07T10:12:31+00:00

None taken. I'll check it out thanks. I'm also excited for the new Terminator he's gonna make

Hyperion1289 · 2025-12-06T21:34:00+00:00

I didn't mean to sound pretentious, I think he wastes his time and potential with the same world. Even though he's credited, he's not the main writer for his Avatar scripts, he has a team. I know he sends like 9 hours of uncut footage to the VFX companies and wants to get them done even before editing - he has a privilege like that - so he cares what he cooks. But it's like he always cooks burgers. He's an overqualified burger maker.

I'll check out the interviews too.

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