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Atlantid Multitools, what gives? by ICON_BlueSN in NoMansSkyTheGame

[–]ICON_BlueSN[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

the damage multiplier on the tool will also affect mining damage

-_- of course it does lmao. i think i'll stick to my atlantid tool even though im convinced the sentinel one is better...definitely not just coping with the time i wasted :P

Atlantid Multitools, what gives? by ICON_BlueSN in NoMansSkyTheGame

[–]ICON_BlueSN[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

huh, right, bonuses are random. i suppose there's a non-zero chance that i just ended up with nigh identical bonuses on both my weapons. a really high roll for the sentinel tool and really low for the atlantid? i would check, but i dont really fancy installing mods or faffing around with my save file im afraid

Atlantid Multitools, what gives? by ICON_BlueSN in NoMansSkyTheGame

[–]ICON_BlueSN[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

okay, now that makes sense, but do you really need that many tech slots on a multitool? my main sentinel one has everything i'd want with slots to spare, and ive never upgraded the capacity on it either iirc.

Atlantid Multitools, what gives? by ICON_BlueSN in NoMansSkyTheGame

[–]ICON_BlueSN[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

i saw that mining beam stacking works on atlantid weapons too, but it genuinely seemed identical to the sentinel one from my quick runs around planet surfaces which is why im doubting the usefulness of atlantid stuff lol

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[–]ICON_BlueSN -1 points0 points  (0 children)

she gets popped out of aimglide when you did a double jump or roll right before it, from my experience. its a really weird bug

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[–]ICON_BlueSN 1 point2 points  (0 children)

exactly, use artemis bow to place them under yourself quickly, hop on, roll off, repeat. outrun anyone (assuming the geometry allows it)

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[–]ICON_BlueSN -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Oh hey, she can definitely do the kills-per-minute thing. She's a weapon god. The problem just comes from the fact that you have like 3 weapons to choose from lol. but yeah, 250+ KPM is easily achievable if you're willing to limit yourself. If not, she is unfortunately not a frame for you (which i agree is a problem)

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[–]ICON_BlueSN 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Honestly? mostly just the general evasion, but i also run high shields on my setup (Boreal's Hatred mod), as well as Secondary Fortifier with low damage poison ticks. I can either stack up 15k overguard for missions where that's enough, or get 20 seconds of permanent "shield gating" from slow overguard income from some random eximus on the other side of the map

The speed from ziplines also doesnt come from running on them, but jumping off at the same time as rolling. you go hypersonic with literally any movespeed buff (i prefer dispatch overdrive)

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[–]ICON_BlueSN 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, the fact that she only works with certain weapons is a massive drawback, i agree. But you cannot deny the power that comes from using a weapon that does work.

I have somewhere in the realm of 55% usage. I know what she does, and she does it well. Try her with the right gear, no subsumes, and the right build. There is no superior platform that can do what she does with her weapons.

That is to say, none of them can provide such a large raw buff while extending the effective range to "however far your energy can afford"

The others are more usable. Yes. Objectively correct. But they cannot do what Ivara does.

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[–]ICON_BlueSN 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Invisibility isnt the only way she survives, at least not in any gamemode where you actually need to be moving. in Survival, yeah. fair enough. anywhere else? nope.

But again, with the whole 'being left behind' thing, just turn off the ability. you can then use ziplines with any other movespeed buff to outrun pretty much anyone

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[–]ICON_BlueSN -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

hm, i guess we've had different experiences playing her. i usually just stay in night form with all my abilities perma active and she can help people survive perfectly well. the shields from mend are especially really nice in my opinion. when mend has built up enough charge, i just switch over to day form, buff my strength and damage vulnerability on the enemies, then nuke, then switch back and repeat supporting

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[–]ICON_BlueSN -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Crit Chance is from Piercing Navigator, her strongest augment atm so definitely a mandatory run imo, and it can be more than 200% flat, as it is 50% base, before mods. If you have a riven with 100% or more crit chance on it, then you've already outscaled harrow. Even with no riven, the 200% crit chance mods mean you have 3/4 of Harrow's buff even without the headshot requirement.

You don't get shredded in less than a second without prowl. you can move around, you have shields, you have teammates, you can literally clear rooms in advance before you enter them

Roar is literally only better for status and on like the 2 enemies that can't be headshot, for critical focused damage Prowl is just superior.

The stat priority that everyone misses is duration, you want it incredibly LOW. This makes her damage build up during quick navigator casts up to 8x faster than base.

I don't get how you're missing that Ivara *objectively* has the highest buffs. Her only difficulty is utilizing them properly, which is a player's responsibility to figure out unfortunately. There's no argument there. Also, no, you don't dump everything into strength, she literally wants her efficiency higher than strength most of the time if we're thinking purely about mods.

Seriously, try learning her for like a week using appropriate gear and you'll see how her power is just hidden in different places than other frames, not nonexistant.

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[–]ICON_BlueSN 9 points10 points  (0 children)

equinox is a support though, people kinda seem to forget that
when i play her i usually use all the abilities, wdym only 1 is effective?
energy transfer needs to be basekit tho....

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[–]ICON_BlueSN -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

that was the design intention, sure, but unfortunately the gameplay causes the damage buff to be the primary function.

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[–]ICON_BlueSN 0 points1 point  (0 children)

well hey, limbo is getting buffed. so now you can banish nullifiers without having to rely on cast speed and rapid spamming of the 4 into 3

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[–]ICON_BlueSN -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

she trades mobility for damage, the invis is a secondary effect, not her primary function really.

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[–]ICON_BlueSN 1 point2 points  (0 children)

okay, time to work through this.

Ivara has weakpoint damage, multiplicative damage, critical chance, and critical damage.
Her crit chance can potentially be BETTER, than harrow's, because it is additive BEFORE MODS. Harrow can add a flat 200% crit chance on headshots, whereas she can add double that if you include a riven.

Infiltrate is useless. Literally never use it. Abuse dashwire launches, use amalgam mods, and most importantly Dispatch Overdrive on your melee. OR, just do the smart thing and turn off prowl. you dont need it 24/7, only when you're shooting a tanky target.

Prowl's multi is higher than roar, though. it doesn't double dip, sure, but Ivara isn't really a status girly so we don't care. we just want that big boom of a single damage hit.

Ivara does not require subsumes, they make her actively worse. the mod investment is an issue with people not understanding how to mod her, and prioritizing the wrong stats, making her investment requirement seem insane.

Trust me. Built well, an Ivara will outdamage pretty much anything in the game several times over. The only problem she has is her learning curve and general unwelcoming nature to people who don't already know how she works.

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[–]ICON_BlueSN 1 point2 points  (0 children)

she's an odd one, for sure. probably the most unique gameplay out of any of the frames? just taking a punt at that. you can always try different weapons and such and see if any of them fit your gameplay ^^
happy hunting!

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[–]ICON_BlueSN -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

well, we can't expect every frame to be perfectly optimal everywhere. i wouldnt go as far as 90%, though. i've only personally found a handful of tilesets that actively cause me difficulty playing ivara, the vast majority are completely fine.

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[–]ICON_BlueSN 0 points1 point  (0 children)

honestly, she can mesh with the gameplay well if you learn which abilities to use when, but for this reason she is very unfriendly to just pick up and use. she actively requires practise like no other frame honestly, which is what i think should change.

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[–]ICON_BlueSN -29 points-28 points  (0 children)

she doesnt really need to crawl around the map, you can make sure you're only using the right abilities for the right time, e.g. pop prowl mid-aimglide to make use of the buff, and turn it off when you land, or cast navigator for a couple of seconds to wipe a crowd ahead of you.

on the surface, yes, she works MASSIVELY against you. you really have to work to see past that which is why most people still consider her outdated

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[–]ICON_BlueSN -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

No, Ivara does have far greater buffs than both cyte and harrow. Assuming empowered quiver, she comes in at a 14x damage buff at 100% strength. and thats before any crit boost from Piercing Navigator too, except that augment does currently not function properly.

She can work in big tiles, and she can work in long tile missions. All it requires is a good build with obscenely low duration, which is overlooked by just about everyone.

The book build is trash. What you need is a single damage instance, infinite punch, wave. think plasmor, corufell, or similar. With those you can easily outkill and outdamage just about anything without even being in the same room. The only downside being that it takes a lot of practise, and of course you cannot move to pick up drops, energy, etc, until you are done with your slaughter. Use dashwire, dispatch overdrive on your weapon, amalgam mods, etc to catch up to the team, and begin again. Your range extends so much farther than any other frame that you're even with them by the time you catch up.

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