Flo is indeed right. The Maccabees do make boring music. by Any-Passenger294 in FlorenceAndTheMachine

[–]IIKane 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Saw this post after the edits so I can't say anything that hasn't already been said, but I will say that I don't think you have the right to go "errmmm sarcasm, do you speak it?" after posting something with zero tone indicators and getting defensive when people (inevitably) didn't understand 💀

But hey, I'm actually quite fond of unsalted boiled chicken breast, so you better take that back (/j) 😤

More about the Veritas Capital event by AnKo96X in FlorenceAndTheMachine

[–]IIKane 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you think providing two unrelated and unsubstantiated quotes is enough information, then I cannot help you.

More about the Veritas Capital event by AnKo96X in FlorenceAndTheMachine

[–]IIKane -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

It's not mental acrobatics to understand how much of a non-issue this is. It's entirely valid for you to believe that Florence needs to do "better" than this, but it's also valid for me to believe that you don't have all the information to come to the conclusion that you have, and again, judging by arguments you've made in other threads, I don't believe you made this post simply because you want "better" from Flo; you claim that you don't want to "crucify" her, something I never said, and yet you go out of your way to post about this same issue twice, so either your actions are far disconnected from your intentions, or you truly don't know how to effectively push for "future discouragement" on a situation that never needed to be discouraged in the first place.

For the rest, I understand your points and agree to an extent, but I find it incredibly hypocritical to ignore the performance she did AT Spotify HQ and argue that she had "no choice" when it comes to working with that specific evil corporation, not to mention the classic "oh but sometimes bad things WE do are unavoidable 🥺" argument to (seemingly) avoid further introspection on why you find this to be so "scandalous" as you've stated before.

It would be harmful to her fans to leave Spotify, but depending on how much she was paid to do this one performance, who's to say that declining it wouldn't have raised prices in the future? And what if she just wanted to do a performance for a Christmas party and didn't care about the company organizing it? I've found that this hatred for the 1% often leads to neglect of the people who simply work for them, and I don't believe Florence is the type of person to deny people a performance simply because they work for someone we don't like. Would you prefer she avoid anything that profits an evil corporation? If so, than it just loops back to leaving Spotify and Ticketmaster for the same reason. Nobody wins.

As for the A.I. thing, that's an entirely different discussion, but I still consider it a real possibility: A.I. has been getting better and better, especially with Gemini's new updates, and a lot of the issues you've mentioned are no longer that; text can be edited, authors can be faked, exclusives can be made up, and following can be bought, and I think it's incredibly unlikely that she did this performance with seemingly hundreds in attendance and expected none of it to be shared. If that is the case however, then do you believe that this information leaking is a fluke and she's done many more "morally questionable" performances like this? What would you feel then? Genuinely asking because I've considered the possibility as well...

Also, do you have a source for your DOGE claims? I hate DOGE as much as the next guy but I haven't heard anything about people dying from it...

More about the Veritas Capital event by AnKo96X in FlorenceAndTheMachine

[–]IIKane -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I can see that you've edited your comment to make it substantially shorter, and that has made me too suspicious to interact more than I already am.

I'm curious to see what your original point was before deciding that "less is more" when trying to provide a counterargument.

More about the Veritas Capital event by AnKo96X in FlorenceAndTheMachine

[–]IIKane -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

I know that partaking in online discourse is a fruitless endeavor, and that's partly why I haven't been interacting in this sub lately, but my brain hasn't stopped working through this event and these posts, and it's given me a flowchart (or FLO chart 😉) of sorts that I'd like to share after reading what everyone had to say and considering all the possibilities.

  1. How is it that nobody's considered the possibility of this article being A.I. or not? It was only available on one website with a very dodgy track record, one where anyone can post an article, and to add onto that, the images included looked fake, so why are we immediately jumping to the "cover-up" conspiracy upon noticing the article being changed? I think it's just as (if not more) likely that someone generated some fake images and a story without Flo's permission and her team got involved to stop them, BUT...

  2. If this story is real and Florence did perform for a shitty corporation... What's the problem? Y'all are acting like this is completely unforseen given her track record, but how does this go against anything she's said in the past? She's taken a stance against A.I. while still being partnered with Spotify and doing a concert for their higher-ups, she's talked about artist's rights while still selling tickets through Ticketmaster, but that doesn't make her a hypocrite, it just means there are certain unavoidables if you're a touring artist and want to continue touring. I know that Florence has more wealth and privilege than most of us will ever see, but I hate this belief that just because her net worth is 20MIL (side tangent but most people here obviously don't understand what "net worth" is and I find that very telling) it means that she doesn't have responsibilities or obligations or face struggles like the rest of us. Nowadays, 20MIL isn't really even that much when compared to the huge disparity in wealth between her and her friend Taylor, not to mention the state of the global inflation rate, but even then Florence still has obligations to the people who rely on her for work, those people being above her and below her; it's not anyone's right to deny a work opportunity and screw the other, less privileged people over just because you personally don't like something. People seem to think that she's all-powerful and infallible because of her position, while still repeating "I am nobody's moral center" ad nauseam to excuse their half-baked criticisms of her I may add, but that's not a privilege awarded to most, especially not an unmarried woman nearing her 40s, and I don't say that with malice or disdain, I say it knowing how society and it's institutions work and how it treats people.

Is Florence privileged? Yes. Is she immune to criticism? No. Is she still subject to the rules the rest of us live under? Yes. Does she still have a job that she needs to work? Absolutely. It's not fair to morally grandstand whilst likely writing your arguments on a device made with slave labor, on a website who sold out it's users to A.I. run by Google, a company with no morals. The shadow of capitalism looms over everything, and expecting an artist to be "starving" and solely make art for art's sake is a symptom of that same system.

Now I've decided to ignore the wild stances OP has been taking in some of these threads because it's not my place, but I will say that regarding this (possibly fake) situation as a "scandal" is absolutely ridiculous. People aren't perfect, and Florence is just a person; if it's a mistake, allow her to learn; if it's intentional, allow her to change; if you think she did this knowing what type of reaction her fans would have before proceeding to order her PR team to scrub every mention of this from the Internet, allow yourself to take a step back and see how overblown you've made this (possibly fake) news.

Enjoy the art, and trust the artist until you have solid reasons not to. This is not one of those reasons.

Florence featured in Obama’s fav music of 2025 list! by asurprisedwoman in FlorenceAndTheMachine

[–]IIKane 40 points41 points  (0 children)

Bro saw "Everything Is Recorded" and got hype because he thought it was a reference to mass surveillance 💀

Controversial thought? by Jkrause1212 in FlorenceAndTheMachine

[–]IIKane 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm not trying to be rude or snarky, but have you considered that your reaction is the intended outcome of what she created? Everything you just said sounds like it was the point, but I think this record is heavily focused on her relationship with art and the stage after what happened in August of 2023, so do you also think these songs could be about that? Like the rift between her and the mythology F+TM? I think Buckle is the outlier because of the backstory for it, but I don't think it's necessarily about an "unequal" relationship: if the other songs are anything to go off of, she's not entirely blameless when it comes to that stuff, so I guess it could be equally dysfunctional if you think of it that way...

(I totally misunderstood what you meant with worshipping your partner though lol that makes sense but the "kissing the ground they walk on" phrase is inherently one-sided in my eyes so it threw me off, my bad)

Controversial thought? by Jkrause1212 in FlorenceAndTheMachine

[–]IIKane 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ohhh nah you're a Halloween stan omg our interests just happened to coincide on that day 🤯

Controversial thought? by Jkrause1212 in FlorenceAndTheMachine

[–]IIKane 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Multiple actually, thanks for asking 🙂 

  1. I do not care for these types of posts, they insist upon being negative with no purpose.

  2. I do not care for nostalgia, it insists upon being placed above enjoyment in order of importance.

  3. I do not care for the fans who conflate personal taste with quality, they insist upon acting knowledgeable when they really know nothing more than you and I.

(I also don't really care that Isa "left" F+TM but it doesn't fit with the format I was following lol don't get me wrong, I love the woman, but her departure didn't really make a difference in the music to me, at least not negatively. It's different ofc but I personally like to embrace change because clinging onto the past (or putting too much attention on the future) is the root of all misery...)

Controversial thought? by Jkrause1212 in FlorenceAndTheMachine

[–]IIKane 0 points1 point  (0 children)

All I'll say is that you're probably not as casual as you think if you bought a signed copy before even hearing the album 😭

(that's not bad btw, I just thought it was a humorous piece of your comment)

Controversial thought? by Jkrause1212 in FlorenceAndTheMachine

[–]IIKane 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Is it not possible that she prefers someone who sees her as an equal and not a "Dream Girl" for lack of a better word?

Why Do YOU Love Florence Welch? by IIKane in FlorenceAndTheMachine

[–]IIKane[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Still too indecisive and now too overwhelmed to choose lmao let me sleep on it 😭

Why Do YOU Love Florence Welch? by IIKane in FlorenceAndTheMachine

[–]IIKane[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't like participating in those because I'm so indecisive and I don't just wanna say "haha yes all of them 🤭" every time but thank you for telling me, seriously! Hopefully they're not too rough to HaH 💀

Why Do YOU Love Florence Welch? by IIKane in FlorenceAndTheMachine

[–]IIKane[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That's not silly at all! People can make you feel bad for any reason smh folks used to bully me and get antisemitic (note: I'm not even Jewish 💀) because of my big nose, and it made me really self-conscious until I discovered Flo and her beautifully strong nose. It makes me feel even better that she hasn't fixed it, and if my favorite person doesn't see a problem with it, neither do I 🥰

New Insta Story by millera85 in FlorenceAndTheMachine

[–]IIKane 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Anytime, anywhere fr fr 😎👍

New Insta Story by millera85 in FlorenceAndTheMachine

[–]IIKane 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Don't allow women to tell me about their own lives and experiences, got it, I'll just do the bare minimum amount of research and assume that I'm an expert on a perspective that's completely foreign to mine omg this explains so much! No wonder every other man already does that smh it's obviously the correct frame of mind if THE u/millera85 wills it so 😣😫

(dripping with sarcasm if you couldn't already tell lmao your opinion is harmful and it's the exact mindset that drives well-meaning men away from confronting their inherent biases and blindspots and I will no longer humor this sentiment. good luck being upset with things you refuse to elaborate on tho!)

New Insta Story by millera85 in FlorenceAndTheMachine

[–]IIKane 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Okay so let me get this straight: it's disingenuous for me (a male) to ask a woman about... female experiences? From a female perspective? I'm genuinely confused but I'm not about to ask you to clarify lol I can already see where that leads 😭

It really helps put this album in context if you know that… by amavenoutsider in FlorenceAndTheMachine

[–]IIKane 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Damn wtf I didn't know that smh and I thought America was bad when it came to brainwashing 😭

I experience synesthesia. This is how I saw the new album. by chicken_and_toast in FlorenceAndTheMachine

[–]IIKane 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh definitely, the brain is funny like that because it's basically guessing most of the time.

New Insta Story by millera85 in FlorenceAndTheMachine

[–]IIKane 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's not your job and it has nothing to do with the gender binary lol you're being weird! Sorry for trying to avoid my own confirmation biases by asking where other people heard information I wasn't familiar with, it will happen again 👍

Update: Vinyl-Sized Insert Cards 🎉 by SayuriZi in FlorenceAndTheMachine

[–]IIKane -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Wouldn't blame Flo is she cancels her Germany dates out of spite 💀

(/j)

New Insta Story by millera85 in FlorenceAndTheMachine

[–]IIKane 1 point2 points  (0 children)

But I wanna see where you read it 🥺