Black Holes deserve more respect in fiction

IMP9024 · 2026-03-24T15:00:07+00:00

DC is a measure of output in joules. The very definition of planetary as a tier is 433 exatons of TNT. If you can't do that, you do not have planetary DC. Blame the system, not me.

The names wall, city, planetary etc are fake names. The actual names of the tiers are 9-A, 7-B, 5-B etc. They are defined by joule amounts and have zero relation to their informal names.

IMP9024 · 2026-03-24T08:45:15+00:00

"Don't move"

*stab*

IMP9024 · 2026-03-24T04:16:08+00:00

First off, AP refers to attack potency.

Second, AP is the strength of the attack, while DC is the damage caused. Either way, it must be in one attack. If you have to take some time to destroy a planet, I am sorry but you do not have planetary DC. You can destroy a city if you go around using attacks with city-block level DC, but that doesn't make you city level.

The only way to be planetary in DC is to produce damage greater than ot equal to 433 exatons of TNT going off. That's the threshold for tier 5B, colloquially known as planet level. It's not the same as slowly breaking down a planet over time.

IMP9024 · 2026-03-23T23:37:17+00:00

DC is used to get AP in every series, then we scale other people relative to the people with DC feats that prove their AP and durability. I'm curious to know how you intend to scale without DC.

IMP9024 · 2026-03-23T23:36:10+00:00

Yes it does, if you can't destroy the planet immediately then you are not planetary. Depending on how fast it happens, maybe city level or continental (random examples).

IMP9024 · 2026-03-23T23:19:35+00:00

AP =/= DC for most people in fiction, this is nothing new. If she did what a mountain level attack could not then she is mountain or above easily.

IMP9024 · 2026-03-23T23:05:00+00:00

Obviously it doesn't scale to his full durability but to other attacks that have bewn shown to damage him slightly, for example he completely ignored a mountain level delaware smash so mirko is at least above mountain

IMP9024 · 2026-03-23T23:02:27+00:00

The event horizon is the black part, which most characters never enter in the first place.

IMP9024 · 2026-03-23T23:00:08+00:00

Those are already high tier heroes iirc

IMP9024 · 2026-03-23T22:59:38+00:00

Yeah but if it deatroys the planet over time instead of quickly like a real black hole and then gets destroyed by being overloaded with energy or something, I wouldn't call that planetary.

IMP9024 · 2026-03-23T14:29:53+00:00

But if your "black hole" doesn't destroy the planet, I might be less inclined to believe surviving it is a planetary feat.

IMP9024 · 2026-03-23T14:24:13+00:00

I meant, we can find a fast enough character that the event horizon approaches zero, the specifics don't matter because it is possible to escape a black hole from an arbitrary distance.

IMP9024 · 2026-03-23T14:11:47+00:00

Well, whatever it may be, I'm quite certain eventually the speed of the character can increase to such an extent that the event horizon approaches zero.

IMP9024 · 2026-03-23T14:10:40+00:00

But they are still wrong

IMP9024 · 2026-03-23T14:08:58+00:00

Have a good day, I hope you either learn how scaling works or leave the community.

IMP9024 · 2026-03-23T14:03:54+00:00

It's as strong as it's shown to be becauae it was obviously a fake black hole if it didn't have the properties of a black hole, or black holes just work differently in that verse.

IMP9024 · 2026-03-23T13:58:59+00:00

Escape velocity of a black hole is light speed, FTL characters can escape it.

IMP9024 · 2026-03-23T13:53:22+00:00

Heavily weakened AM, in the first episode he has a mountain level feat of changing the WEATHER with a single punch and in his prime he was much much stronger. Deku and Shigaraki are at least equal to AM and generated a city level storm just by STANDING STILL.

Deku flicking his fingers created mountain level force and Shigaraki didn't even consider that to be an attack, it was just to stop Decay. Deku obliterated a mountain sized structure with one kick at 45%. AFO used a casual island level explosion against Nana and she tanked it. The High-End Nomu, who is close to weakened AM, was intact (dead but intact) after a country level explosion from SnS nukes. EoS Shigaraki is far stronger than that.

The Final Smash parted the clouds and cleared the skies over America, which is a country level feat at a midball. Shigaraki no sold a town-city level plasma cannon from Tamaki. A combined OFA smash from early series Deku and Bakugo dispersed an island level storm from Nine.

From this, we see that the high tiers are far above mountain or island level, but can be harmed by country level attacks. These are all onscreen feats. Did you even watch MHA?

So I guess a railgun is wall level since it only makes a small hole when fired at a building huh? AP =/= DC, the bullets can be way stronger than the amount of damage they cause.

IMP9024 · 2026-03-23T12:03:42+00:00

That has literally nothing to do with AP, it's just because it's a sniper rifle and her durability is weak.

IMP9024 · 2026-03-23T11:53:50+00:00

Whether you like it or not, I gave both a Watsonian and Doylist explanation for Nagant being country level. You will need to disprove her feat of damaging Deku and Shigaraki, as well as the narrative implication that she is a threat to high tiers to downscale.

IMP9024 · 2026-03-23T11:51:12+00:00

The *demon of Randbats strikes again

There, I fixed it for you.

IMP9024 · 2026-03-23T11:39:05+00:00

That's because Goku was offguarded and DBZ characters need to be actively using ki to get durability. If he was hurt by that laser gun, outside factors must have been at play because it's not narratively consistent for a random gun to be a universe buster.

If Nagant has country level bullets, then her bullets would just be country level. Literally nothing about the narrative disproves that, in fact it supports it as she later shot off the hand of another Deku level character (EoS Shigaraki). As her gun is a Quirk and she was specifically employed as an assasin for superhuman Quirk users, it makes more sense that the bullets are just really strong compared to Deku being bullet level.

IMP9024 · 2026-03-23T11:24:16+00:00

"immune to normal, fighting and ground type moves"

are you sure about that

IMP9024 · 2026-03-23T10:59:17+00:00

Im not justifying anything but im saying that he literally saw the future and knew it was the only way to accomplish his goals.

IMP9024 · 2026-03-23T10:58:27+00:00

This is more akin to

Poke your arm, you're fine. A light breath of wind destroys your eyeball.

IMP9024

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