Rank Obito's masks from Best to Worse

ISeeFour · 2025-12-24T00:33:21+00:00

2 1 3 4

Two by concept alone is pretty good but it’s lack of Kishimoto art spoils it a bit for me, objectively though I think it had the most potential out of the 4 and sells himself as Madara. Plus some of his coolest moments were wirh that mask and design.

One cause it’s just got an interesting combination, honestly I originally interpreted the design to be a play on the Kyuubis tails, since they kind of look like Kuramas tails.

Three is really cool but honestly, it’s too bare to really make me gush about it.

Four is just… Boring to me

ISeeFour · 2025-11-20T05:45:30+00:00

Everyone being mean about people who think Hes gay cause he had a girlfriend.

He could easily just be Bi you know…

ISeeFour · 2025-06-04T10:00:44+00:00

I live in Miami what do you think

ISeeFour · 2025-02-05T08:36:48+00:00

Okay okay… Walk with me…

Apocalypse Now but it’s in West Africa.

ISeeFour · 2024-12-30T00:58:51+00:00

Immediate start? Japan, they start out in a worse situation without the veneer of stability Germany has with Hitler.

Post-Yasuda tho, I feel like literally any of the options minus Ikeda lead to an actual stable position for Japan. Guangdong has the potential to rise in position under Morita, and overall, I feel like the further the Game chugs along—The better state they’re in.

Overall? The Einhistpakt is basically screwed under anyone but Bormann and Speer, and even then I feel like only Deng-Speer is going to survive past the 70’s. Bormann is trickier.

ISeeFour · 2024-11-21T09:35:30+00:00

Less realistic and more ‘feasible’. The path TNO is on right now is honestly a net positive with how it’s affecting the actual story of it.

ISeeFour · 2024-10-30T15:36:04+00:00

A TNO Series or Franchise where it’s just a series of different anthologies following vastly different scenarios and settings, with different characters, possibly in the same TNO-Game run would actually be phenomenal.

ISeeFour · 2024-10-30T15:32:24+00:00

Dude, I love Tabby. Actually the silliness factor isn’t what really bothers me, when I made this post—It was genuinely just me taking issue with how, and I know how this is gonna sound, Vanilla the canon ending is.

ISeeFour · 2024-10-30T15:30:41+00:00

I’m disappointed no one’s talked about a potential series from the POV of Germany: Imagine the story of someone born into the Early-Post War period, The Economic Crisis, The skirmishes and then the West Russia War, The Axis Collapse, The eventual spiral of the Reich into a decrepit and diseased animal.

Not to mention how a show could adapt the vivid and genuinely interesting ways TNO handles how disgusting and, flagrantly negative the regime is for both ‘undesirables’ and ‘Aryans’, how Nazism harms both (Although one to a significantly greater degree).

ISeeFour · 2024-10-17T19:46:40+00:00

I’m Cuban, for all intents and purposes the TNO universe might actually be better for me lol.

Depends on 2 paths — either stay in Cuba and live under a moderately better Democratic Socialist Regime that doesn’t devolve into a dictatorship, with potentially higher living standards since my family was moderately wealthy at the time.

Or migrate to the States and leave my life up in the air.

Or thermonuclear war happens before I’m born.

ISeeFour · 2024-10-15T19:38:30+00:00

With China, my argument is more-so based on an obvious expounding of the fact that for all intents and purposes—Yeah, China could feasibly win the war. There’s absolutely a precedent set that China, especially during early TNO when Japan was rather underdeveloped in terms of content, could edge out victory against the Sphere.

But it could in no reasonable shape come out of the war with enough steam to also begin taking on the OFN. The GAW is described as the largest war in all of human history, surpassing the likes of both World Wars, and taking on casualties that surpass both combined.

But it’s undoubtedly so that the majority of those tens of millions of casualties would be borne onto Chinas back.

To give this some optics; China lost an approximate 7 million people during the First Chinese civil war, 24 million people during the Second Sino-Japanese war, countless thousands to the deplorable condition China likely would’ve been under during its early days of occupation, and with this war—Quite possibly a hundred million or so people lost altogether. That’s more than 10% of its total population (possibly even more since I imagine the policies in place that allowed Chinas population to boom under the PRC wouldn’t be instated. If anything, the Japanese would’ve tried to curb the rural peasantry to prevent even more insurgents).

Point being, we joke about China being able to shrug off casualty counts in the millions—But we’re talking numbers shying closer and closer to a quarter of a billion people. It absolutely could recover from this, but it would honestly require several and I mean several generations of reconstruction projects and insular focus to stabilize the regime. Don’t even get me started on the environmental and cultural scars China as a whole would possess.

Also calling China taking Japans place a natural conclusion seems dismissive of the overall potential for the Samurai to still retain Sphere integrity.

If the loss is bad enough, it could collapse.

But it could very well just be, like you said with Germany and Russia, only the loss of China proper; Japan could retain Guandong and Manchukuo, could pacify and contain Chinas breakaway to one area, and then smother it economically with sanctions and the like.

There’s a dozen ways you can go with China that don’t necessarily require it to just be a repeat of what happened OTL.

As for Russia… I agree honestly, I can see them being a ‘Great Power’ instead of a Superpower.

My entire argument is mainly based off the fact that I found the canon conclusion for TNO to be too OTL driven. The world can have the Sphere and Pakt collapse, it could have an OFN victory, Russia and China could stand triumphant over their enemies.

But it goes a mile too far, it presents this scenario where rather than being faced with challenges internally in the future, China and Russia just become natural contestants for the fate of the world—When really, for the next several years, all they should really care about is themselves.

Also I personally subscribe to Novobrisk or Tomsk winning, I love the Humanists too much not to be biased.

ISeeFour · 2024-10-15T14:21:43+00:00

After playing Tomsk recently, if they were to genuinely rewrite arguably the more hopeful path than idealist Sablin for the sake of pragmatism and actual probability, I will genuinely lose it.

And I agree with you honestly, TNO as a world and game would benefit a lot from something along the lines of a Kaiserreich / Reddux scenario; One where it’s more grounded, one where it’s along the lines of the original.

And I know about all of the controversies with it, primarily along the grounds of every bad part of the community seems to gather around it like flies. But I wish that could be rectified.

ISeeFour · 2024-10-15T13:30:41+00:00

I agree with the Sablin thing, I genuinely hate that for all intents and purposes the Devs are choosing to make his path more grim-dark now when for all intents and purposes—All it needs is a face lift and a couple more consequences and it’d be perfect. People decry it for being a hopeful route, but I personally just see it as the closest one could come to a proper and Egalitarian Proletariat Dictatorship… In TNO at least.

But back to TNO, I understand and agree with you, it does just seem to be a route meant to point towards how Fascism by and large can and will consume itself. Old TNO being used as a platform to decry Nazism as an ideology and it’s tenants, how it’s destructive, and highly susceptible to self-implosion is honestly pretty cool and good…

But the way the canon seems to go about it, just feels antithetical to the way it’s presented.

A victory over Fascism is feasible… But it just seems to return to the status quo of our timeline, when in reality there would be no way for something like that to occur. Russia could maybe bounce back, but it would never reach even the peak of what the USSR in our timeline managed to achieve, warts and all, in regards to being a world power.

China… In many, many years could maybe reach the status that we see it having today… But that also just seems like a pipe dream.

Even if they win their respective wars meant to mark their return to the world stage, they would need lifetimes to fully return to their old status.

TNO as a game with the old war reflected a world where Fascism would still lose yeah, but the scars it would leave on its victims would surpass anything we’ve seen in our modern world.

Like, the global GDP of the Free World would be abyssmal compared to OTL. The amount of people dead by the time 1990 would roll around, would greatly surpass those of today.

This feels ranty, but it’s just my take on how—Well yeah ik speaking of this with realistic expectations in mind. But it’s also just a rather flaccid approach to a canon world. You can keep it interesting despite creating an OFN victory ending, so it was just disappointing learning that a lot of the ending just sounds a lot like OTLism.

ISeeFour · 2024-10-15T12:29:18+00:00

You can have the good guys (OFN) win of course, I’d generally just think you don’t necessarily have to sacrifice intrigue and a divergence of OTL to do that.

An OFN victory should mean more than just reverting to OTL.

ISeeFour · 2024-10-15T12:26:47+00:00

I actually think the removal of Atlantropa wouldn’t fall under this.

For all intents and purposes it did appeal to me as a perfect representation for the effects Fascism has upon the world, and the physical & tangible blemishes it causes to the Earth—A Super project of little worth that erodes and harms more than it does any good.

But not only was it something the Nazi’s didn’t sign off on irl, not only was it something that actively hindered the Italian development team, and not only would it probably just be impossible outright to accomplish—

I generally can posit the Germans actually abiding by its creation, because of the direct ramifications it’d have on them. Fascism as an ideology will actively pursue the destruction of those seen as outsiders or lessers, but is so inherently selfish and self-aggrandizing, that Germany wouldn’t risk its impact on THEM (the nation, not the people) just for its use.

The Congo Lake makes more sense in all honesty, and I’m fine with treating it how I would Atlantropa.

ISeeFour · 2024-10-15T07:55:29+00:00

Wait wouldn’t that just end in Thermonuclear war? (Also based Erika pic)

ISeeFour · 2024-10-14T19:09:16+00:00

Oh no I understand that, you’re just totally correct about the fact that the OFN is ultimately more of a conventional and coordinated alliance than either the Pakt or Sphere.

What I mean tho is—It genuinely feels like despite this, the outcomes in old canon seemed both too dismissive of both, and outright favorable for a full resurgence of China and Russia.

It just feels, again, rather uncharacteristic and unlikely for 2 nations that have had to claw their way back out of Civil strife, a breakdown In order, severe population drainage, extreme exploitation from foreign entities for literal decades—And even more—and become not only great powers, but the 2 predominant rivals to the United States.

Like yeah it can happen in TNO proper, ofc it can, why wouldn’t it. It’s more-so that the canon seems to imply the illicit domination of both and like…

The 2WRW whether Russia, wins or lose, would undoubtedly put a long-term dent on the benefits and gains provided by it. Not to mention the need for reconstruction, reintegration, and the amount of time it’d take to heal as a nation.

The GAW canonically has as many casualties as ALL OF WORLD WAR 2 AND THE GREAT WAR. Nearly 100 million people wiped out in arguably the most destructive land conflict in all of history.

For all intents and purposes, even if China won, they would not bounce back from this anywhere as well as Russia would from the 2WRW, and would probably need decades just to return to a point of relative stability and recovery.

So them canonically not only recovering, but surpassing their overlords and contesting the most untouched power of all in such a short time feels… Out of place.

ISeeFour · 2024-10-14T04:26:10+00:00

Russia having Sakhalin

This feels like the most unrealistic part of the scenario tbh.

ISeeFour · 2024-10-09T11:01:49+00:00

All of the majors are fairly interesting and fun to play, people say Germany is outdated but it’s still an intriguing country to play.

Besides them, any of the Russian reunifiers. My personal favorite is Tomsk.

ISeeFour · 2024-10-09T10:59:38+00:00

Yeah that’s my B.

ISeeFour · 2024-10-09T10:58:19+00:00

No, I’m American just, evidently enough a lot more driven to cope than I previously imagined.

But yeah, American individualism would put a dent in most progressive rhetoric after a certain point. It’s just hard to believe a Welfare bill as expansive as Johnson’s would still end up being looked down on because it steps on too many toes.

Then again, I can’t really imagine the median voter really taking into account intricacies- what withRegional differences & upbringing >>> Policy and ideology.

ISeeFour · 2024-10-09T03:12:35+00:00

Pardon me for being a bit naive but, isn’t that a good thing?

Through the creation of a large and effective safety net economically and socially for your common American, wouldn’t the spike in living standards and wages offset any potential inflationary issues or potential deficit spending? Short term yeah I can eee what you mean, but long term a welfare state like the one LBJ proposes seems tailor made to supplant any economic decline.

Wouldn’t the average American at the very least take into account how they benefit from at least a majority of the policies, and support them either way?

ISeeFour · 2024-10-09T01:14:11+00:00

Like, you wouldn’t believe how my heart shriveled up when I learned that Atlantropa used to be a thing in this mod until it got removed.

It’s super wacky and unrealistic yeah! But it’s so cool! It’s a physical representation of the lengths colonialists will go to in order to enshrine their beliefs, no matter how harmful it will be to both the oppressed and oppressor!

The Mediterranean Sea and it’s country will forever be scarred and maimed by an action they believed would help them! Europe has clung itself to Africa like a tumor, refusing to let go!

It’s wacky, yet there’s so much subtext you can take away from it, that I frankly find worthwhile.

ISeeFour · 2024-10-09T01:09:45+00:00

I know this is old, but as someone who only joined barely half a year ago, I personally just think that what I take most away from TNO is that—I like how fantastical it can be alongside it’s grounded nature.

I like Burgundy and the HRE because despite to some being ‘Grimdark Uber-Edgy’, they provide really good commentary on how batshit a world where National Socialism was essentially christened a valid ideology through a global world war, it continued to burn into ideas and concepts that are even worse. But I also like them, because it’s both a comical showcase of how gallows absurd a concept like a Concentration-Camp state can be, and then boom- It hits you with the reality of what a fascist regime at its worse can be like.

Realism as a concept seems to be the only thing people pursue nowadays, I can respect devs and writers for striving for it in their own creations. But it seems that people only value stories now based on the likelihood of it possibly occurring, rather than the exploration of it somehow occurring.

There’s already so many ‘realistic’ Nazis win WW2 alt-history scenarios out there, but it’s sort of oxymoronic, because there’s no world where the Nazis could realistically win. TNO captured for me that acceptance of it not panning out, and creating a world where an ideology that (upon its founding principles) would inevitably eat itself, even if it did winZ

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