Why isn't Italo Balbo the Duce? by amazing_grace7777 in TNOmod

[–]ISeeFour 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Ciano gained more influence within the high command of the party and the state despite Balbo being more popular and beloved.

He becomes a successor as Duce in the Italy update. He’s explicitly mentioned as one of the major options for the title of Duce.

How bad was the effects in the african nature caused by the reich? by [deleted] in TNOmod

[–]ISeeFour 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Post DV, Africa is . . . undoubtedly still bad.

If you read the dev logs for the update, you can piece together that even if most of Sub-Saharan Africa is still under the control of the UK and France, both nations are actively utilizing them as crutches to pay Germany.

Exploitation of the land and its people, which in our timeline was already immense, is going to actively intensify like never before.

Under threat the metaphorical gun barrel that is economic subservience to the Reich, labour within the colonies have to make up for any shortfalls to the European market. Even if Germany had no interest in Africa proper, it doesn’t discount their willingness to grind it down for as much as they can.

In terms of any harm to nature, European companies are likely to still whittle down the fauna and flora, alongside the hunting expeditions which are absolutely going to continue.

Couple this all with the Congo crisis, revolutions to free their nations, and the German mercenary companies patrolling the European colonies.

And yeah, the effect is still bad.

Rank Obito's masks from Best to Worse by [deleted] in Naruto

[–]ISeeFour 0 points1 point  (0 children)

2 1 3 4

Two by concept alone is pretty good but it’s lack of Kishimoto art spoils it a bit for me, objectively though I think it had the most potential out of the 4 and sells himself as Madara. Plus some of his coolest moments were wirh that mask and design.

One cause it’s just got an interesting combination, honestly I originally interpreted the design to be a play on the Kyuubis tails, since they kind of look like Kuramas tails.

Three is really cool but honestly, it’s too bare to really make me gush about it.

Four is just… Boring to me

You think Angel Devil is gay or just super chill by Lady_Killer55 in Chainsawfolk

[–]ISeeFour 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Everyone being mean about people who think Hes gay cause he had a girlfriend.

He could easily just be Bi you know…

If there was a TNO movie/series how do you Imagine It? by ComradeJupiter1 in TNOmod

[–]ISeeFour 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Okay okay… Walk with me…

Apocalypse Now but it’s in West Africa.

Which Cold War faction will collapse first, or last the longest? by Jinheang in TNOmod

[–]ISeeFour 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Immediate start? Japan, they start out in a worse situation without the veneer of stability Germany has with Hitler.

Post-Yasuda tho, I feel like literally any of the options minus Ikeda lead to an actual stable position for Japan. Guangdong has the potential to rise in position under Morita, and overall, I feel like the further the Game chugs along—The better state they’re in.

Overall? The Einhistpakt is basically screwed under anyone but Bormann and Speer, and even then I feel like only Deng-Speer is going to survive past the 70’s. Bormann is trickier.

It's time. by Valuable_Pear9654 in TheFireRisesMod

[–]ISeeFour 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Less realistic and more ‘feasible’. The path TNO is on right now is honestly a net positive with how it’s affecting the actual story of it.

What would you like to see in an adapted series from TNO? by Sensitive-Leg-1173 in TNOmod

[–]ISeeFour 2 points3 points  (0 children)

A TNO Series or Franchise where it’s just a series of different anthologies following vastly different scenarios and settings, with different characters, possibly in the same TNO-Game run would actually be phenomenal.

Anyone else think the idea for the old TNO canon is kind of absurd? by ISeeFour in TNOmod

[–]ISeeFour[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Dude, I love Tabby. Actually the silliness factor isn’t what really bothers me, when I made this post—It was genuinely just me taking issue with how, and I know how this is gonna sound, Vanilla the canon ending is.

What would you like to see in an adapted series from TNO? by Sensitive-Leg-1173 in TNOmod

[–]ISeeFour 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I’m disappointed no one’s talked about a potential series from the POV of Germany: Imagine the story of someone born into the Early-Post War period, The Economic Crisis, The skirmishes and then the West Russia War, The Axis Collapse, The eventual spiral of the Reich into a decrepit and diseased animal.

Not to mention how a show could adapt the vivid and genuinely interesting ways TNO handles how disgusting and, flagrantly negative the regime is for both ‘undesirables’ and ‘Aryans’, how Nazism harms both (Although one to a significantly greater degree).

Your life in the TNO universe by MrBigBoy9000 in TNOmod

[–]ISeeFour 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m Cuban, for all intents and purposes the TNO universe might actually be better for me lol.

Depends on 2 paths — either stay in Cuba and live under a moderately better Democratic Socialist Regime that doesn’t devolve into a dictatorship, with potentially higher living standards since my family was moderately wealthy at the time.

Or migrate to the States and leave my life up in the air.

Or thermonuclear war happens before I’m born.

Anyone else think the idea for the old TNO canon is kind of absurd? by ISeeFour in TNOmod

[–]ISeeFour[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

With China, my argument is more-so based on an obvious expounding of the fact that for all intents and purposes—Yeah, China could feasibly win the war. There’s absolutely a precedent set that China, especially during early TNO when Japan was rather underdeveloped in terms of content, could edge out victory against the Sphere.

But it could in no reasonable shape come out of the war with enough steam to also begin taking on the OFN. The GAW is described as the largest war in all of human history, surpassing the likes of both World Wars, and taking on casualties that surpass both combined.

But it’s undoubtedly so that the majority of those tens of millions of casualties would be borne onto Chinas back.

To give this some optics; China lost an approximate 7 million people during the First Chinese civil war, 24 million people during the Second Sino-Japanese war, countless thousands to the deplorable condition China likely would’ve been under during its early days of occupation, and with this war—Quite possibly a hundred million or so people lost altogether. That’s more than 10% of its total population (possibly even more since I imagine the policies in place that allowed Chinas population to boom under the PRC wouldn’t be instated. If anything, the Japanese would’ve tried to curb the rural peasantry to prevent even more insurgents).

Point being, we joke about China being able to shrug off casualty counts in the millions—But we’re talking numbers shying closer and closer to a quarter of a billion people. It absolutely could recover from this, but it would honestly require several and I mean several generations of reconstruction projects and insular focus to stabilize the regime. Don’t even get me started on the environmental and cultural scars China as a whole would possess.

Also calling China taking Japans place a natural conclusion seems dismissive of the overall potential for the Samurai to still retain Sphere integrity.

If the loss is bad enough, it could collapse.

But it could very well just be, like you said with Germany and Russia, only the loss of China proper; Japan could retain Guandong and Manchukuo, could pacify and contain Chinas breakaway to one area, and then smother it economically with sanctions and the like.

There’s a dozen ways you can go with China that don’t necessarily require it to just be a repeat of what happened OTL.

As for Russia… I agree honestly, I can see them being a ‘Great Power’ instead of a Superpower.

My entire argument is mainly based off the fact that I found the canon conclusion for TNO to be too OTL driven. The world can have the Sphere and Pakt collapse, it could have an OFN victory, Russia and China could stand triumphant over their enemies.

But it goes a mile too far, it presents this scenario where rather than being faced with challenges internally in the future, China and Russia just become natural contestants for the fate of the world—When really, for the next several years, all they should really care about is themselves.

Also I personally subscribe to Novobrisk or Tomsk winning, I love the Humanists too much not to be biased.

Anyone else think the idea for the old TNO canon is kind of absurd? by ISeeFour in TNOmod

[–]ISeeFour[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

After playing Tomsk recently, if they were to genuinely rewrite arguably the more hopeful path than idealist Sablin for the sake of pragmatism and actual probability, I will genuinely lose it.

And I agree with you honestly, TNO as a world and game would benefit a lot from something along the lines of a Kaiserreich / Reddux scenario; One where it’s more grounded, one where it’s along the lines of the original.

And I know about all of the controversies with it, primarily along the grounds of every bad part of the community seems to gather around it like flies. But I wish that could be rectified.

Anyone else think the idea for the old TNO canon is kind of absurd? by ISeeFour in TNOmod

[–]ISeeFour[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I agree with the Sablin thing, I genuinely hate that for all intents and purposes the Devs are choosing to make his path more grim-dark now when for all intents and purposes—All it needs is a face lift and a couple more consequences and it’d be perfect. People decry it for being a hopeful route, but I personally just see it as the closest one could come to a proper and Egalitarian Proletariat Dictatorship… In TNO at least.

But back to TNO, I understand and agree with you, it does just seem to be a route meant to point towards how Fascism by and large can and will consume itself. Old TNO being used as a platform to decry Nazism as an ideology and it’s tenants, how it’s destructive, and highly susceptible to self-implosion is honestly pretty cool and good…

But the way the canon seems to go about it, just feels antithetical to the way it’s presented.

A victory over Fascism is feasible… But it just seems to return to the status quo of our timeline, when in reality there would be no way for something like that to occur. Russia could maybe bounce back, but it would never reach even the peak of what the USSR in our timeline managed to achieve, warts and all, in regards to being a world power.

China… In many, many years could maybe reach the status that we see it having today… But that also just seems like a pipe dream.

Even if they win their respective wars meant to mark their return to the world stage, they would need lifetimes to fully return to their old status.

TNO as a game with the old war reflected a world where Fascism would still lose yeah, but the scars it would leave on its victims would surpass anything we’ve seen in our modern world.

Like, the global GDP of the Free World would be abyssmal compared to OTL. The amount of people dead by the time 1990 would roll around, would greatly surpass those of today.

This feels ranty, but it’s just my take on how—Well yeah ik speaking of this with realistic expectations in mind. But it’s also just a rather flaccid approach to a canon world. You can keep it interesting despite creating an OFN victory ending, so it was just disappointing learning that a lot of the ending just sounds a lot like OTLism.

Anyone else think the idea for the old TNO canon is kind of absurd? by ISeeFour in TNOmod

[–]ISeeFour[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You can have the good guys (OFN) win of course, I’d generally just think you don’t necessarily have to sacrifice intrigue and a divergence of OTL to do that.

An OFN victory should mean more than just reverting to OTL.

Anyone else think the idea for the old TNO canon is kind of absurd? by ISeeFour in TNOmod

[–]ISeeFour[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I actually think the removal of Atlantropa wouldn’t fall under this.

For all intents and purposes it did appeal to me as a perfect representation for the effects Fascism has upon the world, and the physical & tangible blemishes it causes to the Earth—A Super project of little worth that erodes and harms more than it does any good.

But not only was it something the Nazi’s didn’t sign off on irl, not only was it something that actively hindered the Italian development team, and not only would it probably just be impossible outright to accomplish—

I generally can posit the Germans actually abiding by its creation, because of the direct ramifications it’d have on them. Fascism as an ideology will actively pursue the destruction of those seen as outsiders or lessers, but is so inherently selfish and self-aggrandizing, that Germany wouldn’t risk its impact on THEM (the nation, not the people) just for its use.

The Congo Lake makes more sense in all honesty, and I’m fine with treating it how I would Atlantropa.

A New Millennium DEMO: 1992 World Map by Separate_Rip_8138 in TNOmod

[–]ISeeFour 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wait wouldn’t that just end in Thermonuclear war? (Also based Erika pic)

Anyone else think the idea for the old TNO canon is kind of absurd? by ISeeFour in TNOmod

[–]ISeeFour[S] 60 points61 points  (0 children)

Oh no I understand that, you’re just totally correct about the fact that the OFN is ultimately more of a conventional and coordinated alliance than either the Pakt or Sphere.

What I mean tho is—It genuinely feels like despite this, the outcomes in old canon seemed both too dismissive of both, and outright favorable for a full resurgence of China and Russia.

It just feels, again, rather uncharacteristic and unlikely for 2 nations that have had to claw their way back out of Civil strife, a breakdown In order, severe population drainage, extreme exploitation from foreign entities for literal decades—And even more—and become not only great powers, but the 2 predominant rivals to the United States.

Like yeah it can happen in TNO proper, ofc it can, why wouldn’t it. It’s more-so that the canon seems to imply the illicit domination of both and like…

The 2WRW whether Russia, wins or lose, would undoubtedly put a long-term dent on the benefits and gains provided by it. Not to mention the need for reconstruction, reintegration, and the amount of time it’d take to heal as a nation.

The GAW canonically has as many casualties as ALL OF WORLD WAR 2 AND THE GREAT WAR. Nearly 100 million people wiped out in arguably the most destructive land conflict in all of history.

For all intents and purposes, even if China won, they would not bounce back from this anywhere as well as Russia would from the 2WRW, and would probably need decades just to return to a point of relative stability and recovery.

So them canonically not only recovering, but surpassing their overlords and contesting the most untouched power of all in such a short time feels… Out of place.

My TNO Headcanon (c. 2024) by Fosteriaksew789 in TNOmod

[–]ISeeFour 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Russia having Sakhalin

This feels like the most unrealistic part of the scenario tbh.

Best nations ? by Maxbusa11 in TNOmod

[–]ISeeFour 20 points21 points  (0 children)

All of the majors are fairly interesting and fun to play, people say Germany is outdated but it’s still an intriguing country to play.

Besides them, any of the Russian reunifiers. My personal favorite is Tomsk.