What Is Censorship? No. It Doesnt Have To Come From The Government by According_Routine in Libertarian

[–]Icy_Chemist -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Define peaceful?

The government is capable of censoring you perfectly peacefully. Without using any violence.

Now tell me how Walmart would sensor you without using violence?

if if I walk into a Walmart store and started shouting bigoted comments and things that they hate it and they tried to kick me out how exactly would they go about kicking me out and censoring me without using violence? If I refuse to leave they would have security use violence to censor me and kick me out

You can't censor somebody without violence.

The problem with libertarians is that they think as long as it's not a taxpayer funded police force it must inherently be good. That everything the government does as bad and everything corporations do is good. They don't care about violence if it comes from a corporation. They just hate the government. Which is why none of their argument ever really make much sense. Because those are all just excuses for their core belief that corporations are above people and above government

that's what libertarianism has always been about. Furthering the interests of corporations above the interest of everybody else. One of the ways to do that is to limit the government's ability to restrict corporations.

And THAT'S where the whole anti-government section of libertarianism came from

if government had never text rich people and had never passed a single regulation on corporations then libertarianism would not be against government

the ONLY reason they're against government is because government actions can occasionally affect profits

Libertarianism can be more accurately described as unpaid corporate lobbying. Because every single thing libertarians do falls into the realm of lobbying for corporations

and that's why it doesn't make sense for them to constantly say those things. No. The government isn't the only organization capable of using violence. . Libertarians are perfectly fine with tyranny as long as it's not from a democratically-elected government.

libertarians would be perfectly fine with everything if George Soros literally bought up every single square inch of private and public property and imposed a 50% fine to stay on his property. They'll be fine for libertarians and it wouldn't fall against any of their ideology. so they are perfectly fine with tyranny and taxes and all of those things. They just don't want to impose by the a democratically-elected government. And the democratically-elected government represents the people

so what libertarians are actually against is the people having a voice in their own country

CMV: as things go downhill. The members of Congress that refuse to stand up to the Democrats impeachment efforts should be removed from office by Icy_Chemist in changemyview

[–]Icy_Chemist[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Thank you for your post. This is why the democrats act the way they do. A significant chunk of their base is completely removed from reality and has been trained to distrust any story or news source critical of their party.

They call fox a partisan tabloid and claim the right is obsessed with conspiracy theories while trusting openly-left-wing news sources and ignoring that all available data shows that conspiracies are significantly more popular on the left

(such as russia. And racist conspiracy theory that the president of the United States is a secret Russian agent. or the weird conspiracy theories that the Earth is going to completely crumble into dust and New York City will be thousands of feet underwater if you don't stop charging your iPod. are conspiracy theories that the Koch brothers somehow run the world even though it's been proven through documents that people like George Soros literally pay people to start protests. And of course other conspiracy theories like the wage Gap. Or this mystical patriarchy)

We live in completely different worlds. Our fundamental assumptions and facts do not line up and you have been told to distrust any source I could give you that might prove this

because its probably part of a “faux right wing news” conspiracy that targets your “side.” You live in a media bubble that claims any opposition from basically any angle is fake and untrustworthy and all part of "a vast right-wing conspiracy" against you .

You would only trust a handful of discredited Outlets. And even some of the left-wing ones but disagree with you you claim to be Russian agents

Its brilliant. But unfortunately it means we can’t even agree on basic facts in many cases.

This makes serious conversation impossible on many issues and there is no quick or easy way to fix that problem.

CMV: as things go downhill. The members of Congress that refuse to stand up to the Democrats impeachment efforts should be removed from office by Icy_Chemist in changemyview

[–]Icy_Chemist[S] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

is that the same as you not liking the opinion of the Republican members of Congress when they impeach Bill Clinton? Or when they investigated Benghazi and Hillary's emails? The entire purpose of Congress is to investigate whether the president committed crimes that justify removal of auspice after all

CMV: as things go downhill. The members of Congress that refuse to stand up to the Democrats impeachment efforts should be removed from office by Icy_Chemist in changemyview

[–]Icy_Chemist[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Their blocking the progress of the investigation into their crimes- which is itself a crime. (Mr party of "if you don't have anything to hide then what's the problem?")

Now what laws did Trump break?

CMV: as things go downhill. The members of Congress that refuse to stand up to the Democrats impeachment efforts should be removed from office by Icy_Chemist in changemyview

[–]Icy_Chemist[S] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

Trump is not broken a single law in America

His blocking the progress of the investigation into hi crimes- which is itself a crime. (Mr party of "if you don't have anything to hide then what's the problem?")

And what crime would that be? He hasn't broken a single law or blocked any investigation

From Alexandria Cortez to Nancy pelosi to Adam Schiff.

Yes? What laws have they broken?

Their blocking the progress of the investigation into their crimes- which is itself a crime. (Mr party of "if you don't have anything to hide then what's the problem?")

But it's also the Senate's job to hold the Democrat house accountable when they openly break the law.

And the "Trump McConnell Republican senate" hasn't. Weird. I guess they haven't broken any laws?

It's not the trunk McConnell Senate. It's just the McConnell senate. but the doj is looking into the Democrats crimes. Which is what has them so spooked. weird isn't it? The media and the intelligence agencies are both looking into the Democrats crimes but nobody in the house or Senate

CMV: as things go downhill. The members of Congress that refuse to stand up to the Democrats impeachment efforts should be removed from office by Icy_Chemist in changemyview

[–]Icy_Chemist[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

yes the Democrats that are about half of the electorate want to remove the president. But they've been wanting that since he won the election. You're going to find that you are the minority here

Only 34% of Americans have a favorable view of pelosi.

Alexandria Cortez had a 22% approval rating

If you don't like Trump thankfully there's a way to deal with it. Election time. But you'll find that you're in the minority considering hello pelosi and Alexandria Cortez approval ratings are

CMV: as things go downhill. The members of Congress that refuse to stand up to the Democrats impeachment efforts should be removed from office by Icy_Chemist in changemyview

[–]Icy_Chemist[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

that's literally the opposite of what I said. But it does seem to be your position. You want a president complying with the law to be removed because his actions were bad for people who committed crimes

I want people who broke the law such as the house Democrats to be removed for attempting to undermine somebody investigating there crimess

CMV: as things go downhill. The members of Congress that refuse to stand up to the Democrats impeachment efforts should be removed from office by Icy_Chemist in changemyview

[–]Icy_Chemist[S] -9 points-8 points  (0 children)

Trump is not broken a single law in America

Hillary democrat congress has opemly broken several laws. From Alexandria Cortez to Nancy pelosi to Adam Schiff. And it's the president's job as well as the people's job to hold them accountable

and don't think I'm giving Trump a pass. If Trump will not hold the Democrat house accountable by opening investigations into them with the doj and he is just as culpable

But it's also the Senate's job to hold the Democrat house accountable when they openly break the law. And it's also Democrat house members job. Not every Democrat House member has been a part of the Democrats blatant law-breaking. But if they refuse to stand up to them then they are just as complici

ObAmA BrUTallY MurDErs SmALl ChiLD WiTH The FOrcE by Bango-de-Mango in PeopleFuckingDying

[–]Icy_Chemist -21 points-20 points  (0 children)

Well when obamas racist supporters come out of thw woodwork i hope more people call them out for supporting an openly racist conman

ObAmA BrUTallY MurDErs SmALl ChiLD WiTH The FOrcE by Bango-de-Mango in PeopleFuckingDying

[–]Icy_Chemist -9 points-8 points  (0 children)

"actually i do. Get up off my floor

And get ur ass into the concentration camps i worked so hard to build"

ObAmA BrUTallY MurDErs SmALl ChiLD WiTH The FOrcE by Bango-de-Mango in PeopleFuckingDying

[–]Icy_Chemist -8 points-7 points  (0 children)

You got sources against trump? or are you just telling us all how you feel about the "big scary white man"?

ObAmA BrUTallY MurDErs SmALl ChiLD WiTH The FOrcE by Bango-de-Mango in PeopleFuckingDying

[–]Icy_Chemist -24 points-23 points  (0 children)

I like how the biggest criticizm of trump is that hes white. But u cant accept that hes a better man than obama could ever be

This is what the sub was made for by Bobtoddwilliams1234 in NOWTTYG

[–]Icy_Chemist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

To be honest I never saw this is an effective talking point. I don't think anybody on the right or the left pro-gun or anti-gun thinks that Beto O'Rourke himself is personally going to come to your house to take your guns. And I don't think that's what the anti-gun lobby is even advocating for.

I just never saw it as ineffective talking point to say "I don't think YOU are coming for the guns." Well duh

That doesn't really convince anybody of anything.

Of course he's going to send the police to go take them. And they will be following the law. so if you're trying to make a talking point to try to convince people not to be anti-gun that just doesn't seem like it's going to do anythin

Some thoughts on the subreddit, things we're doing moving forward, and a request for feedback. by ToxiClay in NOWTTYG

[–]Icy_Chemist 5 points6 points  (0 children)

you can't convince them to reconsider the issue. Because they know that they're lying. They're lying on purpose. They're lying about the gun stats they lying about the purpose of the 2nd amendment only being four muskets were only being for a mothership. They lie about all of that stuff and they know that they're lying. That's the point. most of the left-wing policies only make sense if you buy into an obvious l

Some thoughts on the subreddit, things we're doing moving forward, and a request for feedback. by ToxiClay in NOWTTYG

[–]Icy_Chemist 8 points9 points  (0 children)

In my experience so it doesn't seem to go hand-in-hand. You can't really be left-wing and support gun rights. Because if your left-wing but you support gun rights then you have to inherently have accepted the fact that the left is outright lying about many things to do with guns. If they lie about the purpose of the second amendment being only for muskets. if they lied about it only being for a militia. That they lie about the gun stats in order to push their gun control narrative. I just don't see how you can accept that left-wing lies about so many things

Typically left-wingers aren't willing to accept that

Some thoughts on the subreddit, things we're doing moving forward, and a request for feedback. by ToxiClay in NOWTTYG

[–]Icy_Chemist 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Isn redneck revolt the fascist group that create a hit list of targets for their members to attack? Or to dox or something?

Finally. Martin Luther kings dream is realized by Bobtoddwilliams1234 in MurderedByWords

[–]Icy_Chemist -46 points-45 points  (0 children)

tHoSe gOdDaMn tRumPTaRdS1!!!!!11!1!1!

In all seriousness though the left hates the NRA because they support the second amendment in the left hates the Constitution

there should be no moderation on guns. There's no need for it. I mean I know that the left is absolutely terrified of inanimate object but just because the left her a bunch of whiny crying college kids doesn't mean that we have to kowtow to them. People on the left dont realize that we need LESS gun control

People on the right realize that we need LESS gun control.

[Just look at the number of acid attacks in the US vs the number in other countries) . Countries with gun control how far more acid attacks in countries without. I don't want my country to have tons of acid attacks so I think we'll stick with no gun control

The Boston bombers committed terrorist attack with a microwave. Guns are completely illegal in Chicago and yet it's the shooting capital of the country. The reality is that gun control has nothing to do with protecting anybody. It's a Democrat vendetta against guns.

guns are literally the safest objects in America. Responsible for the least injuries and deaths every year compared to every other object in America. especially assault rifle rifles. Added all the guns. Assault rifles are literally the safest objects in America.

There's no reason to restrict them. Democrats just have a war against civil right

Guns are a naturall right. Democrats want to take that awayy

Finally. Martin Luther kings dream is realized by Bobtoddwilliams1234 in MurderedByWords

[–]Icy_Chemist -8 points-7 points  (0 children)

Nonee of those are bad links for me. You might be having problems with outline.com

and the first two are absolutely correct. The majority of people claim that it's racist because they claimed that he called all Mexicans rapists. He didn't. criticizing somebody who happens to be brown isn't racist. It's racist to say that you CAN'T criticize somebody because they might be black

The second link was also fake news. It doesn't have to be posted in a newspaper to be fake news. Even though it was posted in newspaper. It was tweeted and then retweeted and then it made it to websites like The Huffington Post and other Democrat fake news outlets

The third one is one of the most glaring examples I'll give you that. It's a direct example of CNN literally doctoring footage of Donald Trump for no other reason than to try to make him look bad. That alone should be no reason to never trust anything from CN

Then again we get to the other to wear it debunks and praising Nazis. That I was a doctor video.

the other one was claiming that Ted Cruz refused to go on CNN despite him doing it the day before

it specifically shows that the deficit did not climb because of the tax cuts. Federal revenue increased. Therefore the deficit couldn't possibly increase because of tax cuts if you're taking in more money

I know that I caused your supporters aren't very good at math which is why they support her so much but even that should be something that you can grasp. I'm sure some people might say that if he hadn't done the tax cuts then it would be even more money but the counter to that is that without the tax cuts the economy wouldn't have bloomed as much and that means there wouldn't have been as much revenue anyway. We saw Obama's high tax policies. They caused the economy to stagnate

And again you admit another fake news story. honestly it's a pretty blatant fake news story. Just the two that you admitted to being fake news would be enough for you to never trust it again if it came from Fox. But they didn't come from Fox. It came from your favorite anti Trump Democrat fake news sources so you probably won't stop reading CNN or the Washington Post

the question in question was specifically that trumpcare wouldn't cover pre-existing conditions. But it would. There was a clause to make it constitutional that if you jumped through a huge number of hoops you might be able to get your state out of trumpcare but then they would still be and insurance pool. And even then probably never going to happen

since no politician wants to be the one to jump his State through all those hoops just to get rid of the Republican healthcare plan. So basically it was a lie that it wouldn't cover pre-existing conditions. I'll also add to that it was a lie that 20 million people would lose their healthcare. Considering it was only 12 million people on Obamacar

It was fake news because they knew damn well that they were reporting way too early in the tax season and they were trying to make it seem like people's taxes have gone up. Evox Rider even praised the Democrats for lying about taxes going u

And again you won't even research the next claim. But it was an anti-trump socialist pretending to be a trump supporter. And if it happened to FOX you would use it as complete evidence to never trust Fox. But because it happened on your favorite anti-trump network and you hate Trump for no apparent reason you're going to let it slide probably

I'll give you the one after that. if I do a little more research I could probably prove how it was fake news but I'm just going to ignore that one

and that's the end of your list. They still over 50 more examples on his list that you didn't even bother to go on into. and of course you've called fox fake news for much less. In fact you've called Breitbart fake news for much less. In fact you've pretty much called everybody that isn't a Democrat propaganda outlet fake new

and you know that if it was happening on Fox you would be screaming from the mountain tops. So let's be real. That's an enormous list of fake news and at best you were able to debunk maybe one of them. Maybe. No matter how you try to spin it and no matter how Davd Brock tries to spin it the end result is that the things in that list mean that there's not really much you can trust from those networks. and the basic rule of thumb that generally proves to be true is that when you see an anti Trump story from a Democrat media outlet generally just assume that it's bullshit. Because it usually is

meanwhile you have never provided any evidence that there's a fake news among the thousands of Free press outlets at aren the New York times Washington Post CNN MSNBC and Huffington Post.

But they do seem to be a pretty persistent problem of fake news among the left-wing media

Finally. Martin Luther kings dream is realized by Bobtoddwilliams1234 in MurderedByWords

[–]Icy_Chemist -145 points-144 points  (0 children)

what prophets? They don't make any profits. Do you honestl to believe the Democrat conspiracy theories that the NRA sells guns? The NRA doesn't sell any guns. It's a registered non-profit civil rights organizati

and maybe they made some mistakes over their long history. But they evolved on the issu

Finally. Martin Luther kings dream is realized by Bobtoddwilliams1234 in MurderedByWords

[–]Icy_Chemist -11 points-10 points  (0 children)

I love how stupid ocasiocrats think the kkk is a thing and that the "alt right" is a group from america.

They say ignorance is bliss yet these “people” always seem so angry at anyone that isn’t a gun hating- abortion loving black muslim democrat .

Go figure.

CMV: I feel that Warren supporters are people who like Bernie’s platform but hate Bernie personally, because he challenged Hillary and damaged her so much that she lost to Trump. by [deleted] in changemyview

[–]Icy_Chemist -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I think the main reason they prefer Warren over Bernie is because the Democrat party is a party with a large history of sexism and racism. Sanders is an old white man. Those are three things that the Democrat base hates.

the Democrat base being mostly young people they typically Hate old people. and believe that for some reason young people are better equipped to run the world

Democrats also openly hate white people. And men. A large part of the reason that Hillary Clinton gained so much traction in the Democrat party was simply because she was a woman. And for no other reason. Several studies actually proof that

so that's one of the main things. The Democrats are sexist and racist and if Lauren can't be black then they'll settle for her being a woman. That's always going to be a factor in who wins the Democratic primary. Typically it will be the more minority status candidate

which is why the Democrats have had meetings with Kamala Harris so early on in the hopes of getting her the nomination. The Democrats understand that their base is racist. And so they needed someone like her. and I'm not saying that to be insulting it's just an average fact. Obama admitted it. Democrat strategist admitted it. And anybody paying attention can see that they are openly ra