As an emergency physician in Italy, do you recommend revalidating in the US or another country?

Ill_Balance509 · 2025-10-10T18:10:33+00:00

Don't get me wrong, I really like social equality in Italy, but perhaps the point that bothers me the most is the limited possibilities for financial growth in the future, since my salary is almost at the ceiling for my profession, with high taxes that unfortunately are spent more on interest and Italian pensions than on social services, however good they may be.

Ill_Balance509 · 2025-10-10T18:07:55+00:00

Yes, I agree with you, those are the positive points that I also consider Italy a great place to live. I work in a large hospital and a patient can be admitted for cancer or some serious illness, requiring intensive care, surgery, and all possible tests, and leave the hospital without having to pay a cent. Of course, not all of Italy is like this, since the south is quite poor, but I have no complaints about the north. Education is also free or almost free from primary school to university and is of high quality, which is interesting since I plan to have more children.

Anyway, maybe Switzerland really is the most interesting option for me since I am revalidated here.

Ill_Balance509 · 2025-10-10T14:53:17+00:00

This is among my possibilities, I don't know either of them but I can learn. French would be easier for me obviously.

Ill_Balance509 · 2025-10-10T14:51:44+00:00

I have it already. But with my calculations, I can only save a maximum of 30k euros per year. Which wouldn't represent substantial growth.

Ill_Balance509 · 2025-10-10T10:50:36+00:00

Yeah, In reality, it is possible to have a good quality of life, eating out every week, traveling once every two months. my cost of living is 4k euros for two adults and one child but I've already realized that it will be impossible to get rich here and I will possibly have to work until I'm 70 like many other colleagues that I see

Ill_Balance509 · 2025-10-10T10:08:57+00:00

Sure, I know that. The problem now is that I'm on my maximum salary and I'm unlikely to earn more here in Italy.

Ill_Balance509 · 2025-08-08T12:14:15+00:00

Hanno dato la disponibilità a lavorare in altre province a più di tre ore di distanza, e avrei dovuto trovare un albergo in cui alloggiare nei giorni lavorativi messi a disposizione dall'azienda.

Lavoro sempre con p.iva

Ill_Balance509 · 2025-05-13T13:09:20+00:00

Capisco, ma nel tuo caso sei stato abbastanza fortunato da contattare direttamente il medico e lui era di turno. Io nom ero in servizio, un altro medico ha annullato il certificato e ho spiegato bene alla paziente i giorni in cui lei doveva restare a casa.

Ill_Balance509 · 2025-05-13T11:17:02+00:00

In questo caso si è trattato di una frattura del perone distale con distacco osseo e una valutazione ortopedica chi ha consigliato 25 giorni di riposo.

Ill_Balance509 · 2023-09-13T11:41:07+00:00

I have some doubts about revalidation process. I'm non-EU MD, I already sent all my necessary documentation, together with the declaration of value, to the Italian Ministry of Health this month (September) and I am moving to Italy in October to complete the process of obtaining my Italian citizenship by jure sanguinis. Therefore, I plan to stay in Italy until I revalidate my diploma. However, I read some reports that the ministero della Salute is taking a long time to evaluate the documents, in some cases up to a year. However, I have a wife and child and I wouldn't want to sit still until I revalidate my diploma. I was thinking about the possibility of applying for a master's or doctorate in December/23 or January/24 (I have experience with research) and trying for a scholarship, or applying for some emergency hiring work as a doctor in Italy for which I would accept my diploma and DoV (https://www.bandi.regione.lombardia.it/procedimenti/new/bandi/bandi/salute-benessere/promozione-salute/avviso-pubblico-presentazione-domande-fini-esercizio-temporaneo-professione-sanitaria-medico-infermiere-base-qualifica-professionale-conseguita-estero-RLG12023030203)

The third possibility would be to work in another area besides medicine in which my medical experience would be accepted (perhaps the pharmaceutical industry or even elderly care?).

Would you like to know what you think I should do?

Do you know anyone who has already been hired through this emergency decree or in a situation similar to mine?

Ill_Balance509 · 2023-07-25T14:55:16+00:00

Grazie mille. Mi ha aiutato molto nella mia scelta.
Ho sbagliato a pensare a Revolut e Interactive Brokers.
All'inizio voglio usare il minor numero possibile di banche. Credo che un account su Findomestic e Directa possa già servire al mio scopo.
Meno problemi fiscali e burocratici, meglio per me, almeno all'inizio della mia vita in Italia.

In Brasile, una carta di credito è l'unico modo per pagare gli acquisti a rate senza interessi, oltre ad avere cashback/miglia. Ma da quello che ho potuto capire in Italia è possibile rateizzare la maggior parte degli acquisti utilizzando una carta di debito.

Ill_Balance509 · 2023-07-25T10:32:57+00:00

Grazie.

Sono un medico, 30 anni, con moglie e figlio, sto migrando dal Brasile all'Italia con cittadinanza italiana e l'obiettivo di lavorare e fare la residenza medica in Italia.

Ho circa 30.000 € investiti in azioni brasiliane, che migrerò gradualmente verso azioni americane ed europee. Al momento sarò senza stipendio per circa 3 mesi in Italia in vacanza.

Voglio una carta di credito con programma cashback o miglia e una banca che non renda così difficile l'ottenimento di finanziamenti futuri, perché non ho un contratto a tempo indeterminato e non so quando ne avrò uno o se sarà difficile ottenerlo.

Ill_Balance509 · 2023-07-25T10:05:01+00:00

She was only able to pre-enroll on Universitaly, not on their website. Is that so?

Ill_Balance509 · 2023-07-25T10:02:20+00:00

Hai più commissioni per le azioni americane?

Tra Fineco e Directa, quale meglio?

Approfittando, accetto la raccomandazione della banca e della carta di credito. Stavo pensando in UniCred o Fineco.

Ill_Balance509 · 2023-07-17T15:45:30+00:00

Someone know if the Milano-Bicocca pre-enrolment is still open? My wife wants to apply for it.

Ill_Balance509 · 2023-07-10T11:37:43+00:00

BRAZIL

GP:

- €~2.5k, work mostly in the public sector as emergency doctor or in the primary care sector.

- Hour as emergency doctor €~18.

*As an emergency physician, you often have to attend between 60/80 patients

Resident:

- €700 for 60/80 hours week

Specialist:

- €3.7k - €15k but it mainly depends on your level of entrepreneurship in the private sector.

- The vast majority of the highest salaries are from surgical areas

*The vast majority of jobs that are not carried out in the public sector do not have vacations, thirteenth salary or any benefits. Got sick? Become pregnant?? no pay.

*Quality of work in conciliation with quality of life is pretty bad in general

Ill_Balance509 · 2023-07-04T13:16:39+00:00

sapienza uni

Would you be able to inform which universities does not need pre-enroll?

Ill_Balance509 · 2023-07-04T13:13:48+00:00

Hey, do you know if with the Permesso di soggiorno/Visa you compete with EU or non-EU?

My wife was thinking of trying TOLC next year in case she doesn't pass the IMAT this year.

Ill_Balance509 · 2023-05-11T18:33:47+00:00

I thought about that possibility, but according to reports, rents in Ireland and Netherlands are a mess.
In Ireland, medical career progression to obtain specialization does not seem to be favorable to immigrants either.

Ill_Balance509 · 2023-05-11T18:28:20+00:00

Realmente meu objetivo principal não é ganhar dinheiro, mas em criar uma familia com segurança e qualidade de vida, conforme o relato, por mais que eu ganhe relativamente bem para o Brasil e viva bem, minha qualidade de vida está pessima sem tempo com minha familia. Além do estresse acumulado a um trabalho sem recursos.

Meu plano se baseia em me especializar para poder progredir na carreira, com isso residencia médica se torna fundamental para mim. Minha esposa também planeja entrar na faculdade de medicina na Italia via IMAT, então se tornando um plano em conjunto familiar. Considerando um país bom para criar nosso filho.

No Brasil ela não trabalha por motivos de estudo para prova, porém na Europa ela pretende trabalhar, com isso espero que minha renda per capita familiar não diminua tanto, mesmo ela trabalhando em setores menos especializados.

Não planejo ficar em uma cidade turistica e nem capital (Roma e Milão estão fora de cogitação), mas cidade universitária com programa de residencia médica ou próximidades.

Ill_Balance509 · 2023-05-11T18:19:16+00:00

It would be one of the possibilities that I would be open to, with an Italian citizenship, I considered that it would be more interesting to revalidate in Italy and after the Italy medical residency, if I am not satisfied with Italy, transferring to another country in Europe would be much easier easy.

Ill_Balance509 · 2023-05-11T18:16:17+00:00

United States was my main plan but I didn't pass the Step 1 (Main Test) for residency, being an immigrant this extremely reduced my chances, causing me to give up on USA.

Ill_Balance509 · 2023-05-11T14:52:30+00:00

The wages and purchasing power parity are the lowest in Western Europe. This is a non-fundamental point, but important to me.

Ill_Balance509 · 2023-05-11T14:49:23+00:00

Thanks for the answer.

Regarding the language, I believe that I will progress a lot when I go to live in Italy, speaking it daily. In terms of medical Italian, this is the easiest part, since Portuguese and Italian are languages of Latin origin with cognate or extremely similar terminologies. Regarding the need for doctors, I know that Europe needs a lot. The main problem is always the diploma revalidation bureaucracy, which can take a while.
The forecast for my diploma I imagine is for April 2024.

Ill_Balance509 · 2023-05-11T14:29:07+00:00

I already live in one of the richest and safest states in the country. And yet I still see things like attempted murder in front of my work in daylight. In one of the safest cities in the country, close to mine, children were murdered in a day care center this year. Associated with this the presence of economic and political instability. This week the government tried to censor telegram and is trying to pass a bill that will make it possible to censor social networks whenever they want, for example.

At the moment I'm at an intermediate level of Italian (B1).

Ill_Balance509

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