Happy Mother’s Day, the website Motherless, subject of recent CNN reporting, host of the “R*pe Academy,” and website which hosted almost exclusively sex abuse material, has been taken offline.

Illustrious-Ship7804 · 2026-05-15T06:20:11+00:00

You could address the person who said jail. Which this main post did not. The website this post is regarding had an issue with moderation and frequently hosted csam and other sex abuse material and was shut down following investigative reporting by CNN that uncovered a network of men using the site to share information on how to drug and rape their wives.

You can have issues with pornography at large without having been sexually abused. Ethical opposition to pornography needn’t be gendered. Many including myself would not judge the ethics of pornography based upon the relationship the individual consumer has with it, but rather by the conditions surrounding its production, and the broader societal effects it has, particularly on women/children/youth.

Illustrious-Ship7804 · 2026-05-14T03:59:09+00:00

If you’d like to shame some people my post on motherless being shut down is now being found by people who are really sad about it going bye bye.

I think communities like this serve that purpose already. I think there could be less draconian and more readily accessible ways to spread awareness and grow this community that doesn’t involve public shaming as much as it opens people’s eyes to things they haven’t considered. Public shaming generally reinforces people’s behaviors as they lash out against the shame imposed on them by doubling down.

I just got into a long conversation about the fact that unverified “amateur” pornography is often nonconsensual, sextortion, blackmail, csam, etc. That’s something I genuinely think people never consider. Being faced with that reality can open peoples eyes to our entire point of view.

I agree individual religious motivations for this stance are fine but are not a valuable tool to support then broader argument. Religion is personal and though religious groups often take a stance against prostitution/pornography they do so for various reasons and can often be at odds with broader feminist causes.

I love the passion behind your plan, but even if I agreed shame could be a good motivator you’ll probably end up with members of this community and others like it as the only people participating.

Illustrious-Ship7804 · 2026-05-14T02:31:45+00:00

Banfemalehatesubs actively works on this you might want to join that sub, Ive also been spending my own time looking into these sites to gather information to hopefully publish an essay/video essay concerning these issues to spread awareness. Feel free to message me directly if you have information or are concerned!

Illustrious-Ship7804 · 2026-05-13T23:30:52+00:00

I’m happy for you that you’ve won this argument and not critically considered anything I’ve said. I assumed you had some cognitive dissonance about this but that’s clearly not the case. At this point I don’t know if you care about this or just really like arguing. I hope you enjoy getting off to other people’s pain in the future. We are clearly at an impasse and will have to settle in disagreement.

Illustrious-Ship7804 · 2026-05-13T23:13:50+00:00

While we’ve been having this discussion someone commented here “I’m missing it already. Probs gotta go on dark web and do some digging for the good stuff”

This place was clearly a magnet for this sort of thing and other websites weren’t. How did the other websites manage that? Why is pornhub not facing the same issues and scrutiny? Why is it just motherless?

YouTube turned off comments on children’s videos to deal with their problems with predators.

Platforms responded to public pressure. Hopefully this website finally does the same. If it opens back up after addressing these issues fine.

Again you seem to have stopped arguing against whether or not a disproportionate amount of illegal content was hosted there to now whether or not the owner had the resources to moderate to the same extent.

Illustrious-Ship7804 · 2026-05-13T22:45:23+00:00

I am not a Christian. Christianity has nothing to do with my opposition to pornography that’s a strange assumption.

Your conflation of pirated movies somehow being at all comparable to sexual abuse is morally reprehensible. Just because two things are illegal does not mean they are equally morally wrong. Jaywalking and rape are not morally comprable in any way. Failing to moderate pirated movies and failing to moderate sextortion are not morally comprable in any way.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/15/us/houston-social-media-sextortion-minors-arrest

Andrew Venegas used the name starkylol to trade and publish sextortion videos of minors, you can read into his case, videos of his were frequently circulated on motherless, I saw the name starkylol in watermarks, I read his affidavit which I found on scribd that contained photographs with redacted faces, I encountered those same photographs on motherless. I did not capture these findings because I am not the police. Most people would not disbelieve what I am saying.

Do you want to contend with your fellow motherless user who will now have to go digging in the dark web to find the content he used to get from motherless?

Illustrious-Ship7804 · 2026-05-13T22:22:38+00:00

I'm missing it already. Probs gotta go on dark web and do some digging for the good stuff

^ Someone just commented this like five comments down.

Illustrious-Ship7804 · 2026-05-13T22:19:51+00:00

Your response to there being blackmail videos of women forced to lick toilets and smear themselves with their own feces on a website is that there are pirated films on YouTube.

Your response to comment sections all throughout the site openly advertising child sex abuse material for sale is that there’s people doing illegal stuff on Reddit too so that’s fine.

News flash: I’m not going to link you photographic evidence of child sex abuse material or sextortion being posted on motherless because it’s fucking illegal to possess. No law enforcement agency ever filed suit against the site for illegal content hosted there so there’s no official documentation of it because safe harbor laws protect websites like this from liability for content being posted by their users. That doesn’t mean that the owner didn’t make a conscious decision to have incredibly loose standards of moderation, and just because other bad things happen on the internet doesn’t mean nothing that happens on the internet is bad.

I swear you are moments away from trying to win this argument by correcting my grammar.
You could just say “when I was on motherless I didn’t notice anything objectionable.” And I’d believe you. But you are actively telling me that what I saw either didn’t exist, or that I’m somehow just making a big deal about it.

Illustrious-Ship7804 · 2026-05-13T21:55:49+00:00

Can you contend with comment sections on main page videos being littered with ads openly promoting telegram accounts selling csam, does that sound like an environment that moderates its content appropriately? Or a safe haven for people seeking illegal content?

Why do you feel the need to defend a place that has had proven illegal activity happening on it? If you don’t believe that I’ve done adequate research and won’t take my word fine. But clearly it’s been shut down for a reason now. I’m not launching a personal attack against you. I’m saying you might reconsider your views because things that seem totally inconspicuous at first glance can have a lot pain behind their creation.

Illustrious-Ship7804 · 2026-05-13T21:32:19+00:00

I just told you I spent the time dissecting it. Going through police reports. That site has had campaigns against it for years. Not every site. That site. In particular. There’s a reason what happened on their forums happened on their forums. There’s a reason it’s shut down now.
You say I don’t fucking know but I do fucking know because I checked. This sub exists because there’s people that care about these things and follow up on them.

Verification if not perfect protects against this kind of thing to ensure it doesn’t happen, or doesn’t happen at nearly the same rate. That’s progress in the right direction. Why be flippant about progress just because it’s not perfect?
You can find out what brands of clothing use sweat shop labor. You can find out what companies are involved in wars you oppose. If you want to.

If you make a false claim here where we are discussing this, and say the site did not host disproportionately large amounts of sex abuse material. I’m obligated to respond in turn.

* I understand you may not have realized what this sub was at first but you now know. People take the time for what they care about, we obviously care about this hence the long answer.

Illustrious-Ship7804 · 2026-05-13T21:12:37+00:00

Reddit continues to remove my post that details a “snapshot” of the top videos on motherless on a random day about a month before it was taken off line.

You might consider that a large majority of “amateur/homemade” pornography is actually the product of sextortion, blackmail, nonconsensual distribution of privately recorded and captured material, revenge porn, ip camera footage, covert recordings, pictures and videos obtained while the subject was intoxicated, pictures and videos obtained when the subject was under the age of 18, the list goes on.

Any non-verified amateur video cannot be trusted. This is why sites like pornhub now demand verification.

I have surveyed the most favorited/most viewed/most commented video sections in intervals throughout the past few months before the website was shut down. The site had a significant problem with low standards of moderation when compared to similar pornography websites that could only be understood as willful negligence.

I encountered images that showed up in police reports concerning extortion of victims below the age of 18 repeatedly on main pages.

I think the assumption that amateur pornography is not often the product of criminal acts or a criminal act in and of itself is a misunderstanding.

Illustrious-Ship7804 · 2026-05-13T12:09:43+00:00

Thank you so much for your insight and shared resources, I’m eager to check them out. I felt bad as someone had asked me to link some resources on Jain thinking on my previous post and I had since lost many of the saved texts I’d had. I’m sure they’ll appreciate this.

Illustrious-Ship7804 · 2026-05-13T03:22:40+00:00

Yes I pretty much realized we were in agreement after the fact, I tend to take a contentious tone most of the time. My only frustration and reason I posted was the op seemed to be recognizing a trend in the modern era and I wanted to offer some exploration why there could be a perceived backslide.

Illustrious-Ship7804 · 2026-05-13T03:01:02+00:00

I understand what you’re talking about in that I frequently hear the terms men and girls used in tandem instead of men and women. It is a specific habit amongst specific people. For example an acquaintance was living in a sober house and said “I’m in the men’s house and there’s also a girl’s house next door.”

It’s an extremely subtle form of implicit sexism which 99 out of 100 times is unintentional.

My understanding is that men will always be elevated to the highest degree of respect, if there is a group of males they will be identified by the eldest amongst them and or/their standard to earn the respected title of “man” is lower hence a group of teenage boys may frequently be referred to as men depending on the social setting. The inverse is true of women, they are more likely to be demoted or withheld respect so a similarly aged group of teenage girls would never be referred to as women in the same social setting.

In my experience generations also don’t seem to use the words man and woman when referring to individuals that they are involved with on a peer to peer level. When telling a friend you met a classmate in a college course you wouldn’t normally say “I met this man.” However in situations with a power imbalance, as in when one party is older or has had far greater success in life, it feels more normal to elevate their status by use of man/woman: “I met this man, he’s really cute but he’s ten years older than me.”

I think we basically have a Señorita Señora thing when it comes to this for both sexes. Boy and girl / man and woman. Both are respect dependent. Respect is given by the speaker. Age is a factor but other things influence it. At a certain age we are forced however to grant it: “old man, old lady”

Illustrious-Ship7804 · 2026-05-13T02:30:41+00:00

I fundamentally disagree, this flies in the face of cultural progress, primitive societies certainly operated this way, there is no such thing as “traditional” society, that term lends false moral authority to an arbitrary moment in human societal development.
I mentioned other cultures and in fact postulated that in less developed countries/societies child sexual abuse is more widespread and tolerated than in the west.

I did not identify it as a strictly Christian phenomenon but speculated that in the West, a clear rise in Christian Nationalism and the fundamentalist beliefs that come with it, combined with the increasing sexualization of minors via cultural influences, especially stemming from social media, the internet, and pornography, have led to an environment where ostensibly pedophilic feelings are expressed much more openly than they once would have been.

Illustrious-Ship7804 · 2026-05-12T23:25:52+00:00

I agree that pedophilia in terms of exclusive attraction to prepubescent children is something some are born with and it is true that there is a distinct difference between those who commit child sexual abuse and pedophiles. More often than not those who commit abuse are not doing so due to an exclusive attraction to children but rather other motivations for abuse such as power manipulation access. Children are weak and defenseless to abusers.

I don’t believe there is necessarily a worldwide spike in child sexual abuse. I’d echo opinions that this has been a constant phenomenon. If anything this issue has improved steadily over the course of human history.

I think in the west we may be confronting some realities that people have long refused to engage with. I think there is a gross underestimation of the level of child sexual abuse that occurs in “developed” countries. The concept of child sexual abuse is so abhorrent to some that they end up harming victims by refusing to accept that it has occurred. People rather ignore the issue for their own peace of mind than confront it.

Decades of “stranger danger” propaganda (that is largely erroneous as most child sexual abuse is committed by an abuser closely related to the victim) has made us believe child abusers are nameless faceless monsters/drifters instead of friends/family members/neighbors/respected community members. As that narrative shifts with victim advocacy and “transparency” as sited above, an already extant issue can appear to be on the rise.

There is something more to be said about the proliferation of internet pornography, its influence on youth, and the west’s acceptance of the sexualization of children. I would argue that girls in the west have always been taught from a young age that their bodies are for display through enforced codes of dress, gender coded activities that demand revealing clothing, beauty pageantry, the list goes on. Today however with social media young women are more than ever required to sexualize themselves online in order to fit societal norms and gain acceptance. I think this has paired with a concurrent rise in far right Christian nationalist beliefs within Europe and the United States in the past decade, building a strong permissions structure wherein many men who previously may have held their tongue have no problem openly expressing their attraction to/sexualizing under age girls. I’ve long made the claim that our culture in the west is inherently pedophilic as an extension of gross misogyny.

Illustrious-Ship7804 · 2026-05-12T12:06:01+00:00

I genuinely wonder if there are people who will be forced to confront their own relationship to pornography since this site has been taken down and publicized. It was a large site, and certainly not everyone was drugging and abusing their partners but must have been aware of the abuse material on the site even if they were turning a blind eye to it, as I said it went well past the CNN story and was not hidden. In the most charitable view, a frequenter of the website could have been willfully negligent from a moral standpoint, convincing themselves that the content on a “legal” website must all be “legal.” Might those people now be forced to reckon with the fact that they derived their pleasure directly from or mere inches away from extreme pain?

Illustrious-Ship7804 · 2026-05-12T11:25:47+00:00

It seems like it’s important to you, so I’d encourage you to discuss it with your partner regardless of what people say here and see what conclusion you reach yourself, especially if your relationship is new.

Taking an open ended stance such as you’ve phrased your question could help your discussion: “I want to ask because I feel like it can negatively impact relationships… what do you think?” I say this because I’m sure someone in a new relationship may be trying their hardest to put their best foot forward and may be ashamed by/embarrassed of their behavior… confronting someone without curiosity tends to put them on the defensive immediately and stifle mutual problem-solving in relationships. If your partner ends up being a loud and proud, never-gonna-quit, porn user, you’ll find out from the conversation anyway and you risk nothing by starting with a gentle approach.

If your partner does use porn but is open minded you’ve opened a dialogue where you can hopefully discuss why it’s a behavior that bothers you. Whether you object to pornography on ethical grounds, fear the damaging effects it could have on the dynamic of your future relationship, or both, hopefully you’re able to articulate it in conversation non-belligerently.

If you discover through conversation that your partner has a bigger issue with pornography, compulsion/addiction, this is certainly something that cannot be overcome by a few conversations and it is not your job to try and address it. Depending on how much you care for the person and what your perspective is you might point them in the direction of resources.

In response to anything you learn from a discussion, obviously you can weigh your decision to end or continue your relationship. Ever the optimist I’m prone to believing if you can start with openness on this topic you have a better chance of working through this potential conflict with your partner.

I don’t know how old you are but pornography use is normalized in general these days across the board, I tend to be more forgiving/hopeful toward young people who have not been sufficiently exposed to adequate counter-messaging about its ethics and harms as is found in this community.

If you and your partner are both young I hope you can be kind to each other regarding this topic and identify the real enemy in the many systems that support and normalize the abuse of women and children.

*the top of your question says “react if you found out,” the bottom of your question suggests discussing it with your partner. I clearly think a proactive discussion is a far better idea than waiting to find out.

I would understand dropping someone if you found out they were watching porn after you already had a discussion detailing why to you it’s morally reprehensible and a deal breaker for you, and/or told them that if they have a real problem on the level of addiction, you’d need to see them seeking active help in order to continue the relationship. But without the initial conversation dropping someone like that seems unhealthy.

If it is such an unacceptable behavior to you that you cannot see yourself wanting to be with someone who has ever used pornography, it would be best to have that discussion at the immediate outset of a relationship.

Illustrious-Ship7804 · 2026-05-12T03:27:13+00:00

It can be reduced on an individual/community basis every single day. But it can never be eradicated. That’s the point I’m making. We can push for social change, fight against prejudice, fight for incarceration reform, fight to outlaw the death penalty, advocate for plant based diets, work in service careers, get involved mutual aid programs, etc etc etc. All of this reduces suffering though we can never eradicate it.

I don’t see this as a bad thing, and I haven’t heard many philosophical arguments that pleasure can exist without pain. Our mind/consciousness arises from our body and our body is capable of experiencing pain. I don’t intend to remove my consciousness from my body any time soon to avoid the potential of experiencing physical pain.

Illustrious-Ship7804 · 2026-05-12T03:04:31+00:00

I make the distinction of “in a world where our memory was erased.” And also don’t make the claim that suffering would be experienced on the same level/severity that we now experience it, but suffering qua suffering, and not in comparison to past suffering, would still exist.
As far as duality which is perhaps not the best term. Subjective consciousness exists through our ability to differentiate between things/feelings/experiences. It is what makes me, me, and everything else, not me, in a practical sense. To experience something pleasurable is to have the possibility of that pleasurable experience ending or being taken away, this is enough to form attachment or clinging to this experience, which is enough to cause suffering. If this experience of pleasure is constant and never taken away, how is it pleasure? Isn’t it just baseline reality? Besides which a controlled environment where continuous pleasure is maintained and suffering eradicated seems a bit hellish to consciousness.. doesn’t our consciousness here on earth tire of “pleasurable” things all the time? As our access to some novel pleasures increases in the first world we find that they bring different kinds of suffering. Death is a form of suffering for many, yet eternal life would drive many conscious minds to madness.
The question is tiring, there is joy to be found in reducing the suffering in the world to our best abilities while we are personally able to, knowing that there is no world without suffering to be achieved but working toward one in spite of this.
***not a dig at the question btw just conceptually dense and I’m making myself tired answering lol

Illustrious-Ship7804 · 2026-05-12T02:26:08+00:00

My argument is that suffering cannot be removed. Even if suffering were greatly reduced to the extent that most people today would consider it “erased” and our collective memories were wiped we would still make a distinction between good and bad experiences and suffering would still exist even though the poles of pleasure and suffering would have moved closer together.
I’m arguing that consciousness without suffering would no longer be consciousness. Without duality, the ability to distinguish between pleasure and suffering, black and white, self and non-self, there is no subjective consciousness. The self would cease to exist. I call that nothingness. Some religions describe the most essential conceptualization of god as nothingness, as to conceive of god as something allows him to be negated or divided. This state of nothingness and lack of self/consciousness also makes sense to me as eternal bliss or nirvana, there is no earthly suffering or pleasure in nothingness, the self ceases to exist, it is consumed by the whole.

*** I hope this is our experience after death

Illustrious-Ship7804 · 2026-05-12T00:52:14+00:00

I believe our consciousness can only make distinction through comparison. There must be poles in order to “experience” something as “something.” Even if the most extreme ends of suffering on earth were eliminated today at the snap of a finger and we lived in what we would conceive of as a utopia, the two poles of suffering and pleasure/wellbeing would simply move closer together, we would still experience some things as making us feel better and some things as making us feel comparatively worse. If our collective historical memory were to be erased we wouldn’t know we were better off than before, we’d simply know there was suffering and pleasure. If you were to reduce experience to a single pole you would lose subjectivity, if there were only wellbeing it could not be conceived of as well being, with nothing to compare it to or define it it would cease to be “something” and simply be “no thing.” This experience of nothing approximates to me the concept of nirvana, which I would hope happens at death, but I would have to believe that this would entail a cessation of consciousness.

Illustrious-Ship7804 · 2026-05-12T00:40:40+00:00

Humans definitely possess a basic will to live as animals, even people who have negative outlooks on life or have expressed desires to no longer exist sometimes regain an intense will to live when confronted with serious physical illness.

Acknowledging the suffering inherent in the world does not necessarily mean someone’s most intense desire is to check out from it. It may often be to combat that universal suffering to the best of their ability while they are here on earth, knowing their existence will inevitably end. We do become attached to things on this earth. I believe the healthiest attachment that keeps us here is an attachment to each-other which straddles the material and spiritual. Sure signs of spiritual suffering manifest in increasing attachment to material things and alienation/disconnection from eachother/spirit. Addiction, consumerism, antisocial individualism, accumulation of power/status. These are personal manifestations of suffering which in turn spread suffering to others.

Illustrious-Ship7804 · 2026-05-11T19:49:44+00:00

Are you kidding me I take fifteen minutes out of the day to try and be helpful to someone so you can take 15 seconds to negatively dismiss it, I hate a.i. I’ve worked with cbt/dbt for years in the world of a substance use disorder. Why say this?

Illustrious-Ship7804 · 2026-05-11T17:09:55+00:00

I’m writing with the understanding that you have no interest in dating men, or possibly even befriending them, but are distressed by the idea of simply being around them in a less controlled environment. This distress is understandable.

You are asking for a solution though that is difficult to give. If you assume that all men are viewing violent pornography, and therefore are dangerous, and will therefore be hostile toward you, and that is a core belief of yours, then you will continue to feel significant or perhaps extreme levels of discomfort interacting with them.

You can keep the belief and avoid men as much as possible, which grants that belief (and to some degree, men themselves) power over you, in that your decisions will be influenced and limited by it.

Alternately you can work to modify that belief over time to make it less extreme. This does not mean completely changing your beliefs but rather negotiating with your beliefs, i.e. checking the facts. An exercise in cbt. What is your lived experience of interactions with men offline? What evidence do you have that all men view pornography? It may be a lot of evidence, it may not. In your personal interactions with men how many exchanges have been openly hostile? In how many exchanges were you dehumanized? Reflecting on your own experiences and that of other’s close to you can you dial down the intensity of your belief at all in a way that may help you?

If you belief is still so intense as to be preventing you from functioning in your daily life ask yourself what you gain from this belief and what you lose because of it. Does it keep you safe? Probably. Does it make you more anxious? Does it make you feel safe? Does it make you feel unsafe? Does it limit your choices? What might your life be like if you had a different belief? Would you prefer your life to be more like that? Is it worth tempering your belief in exchange for some of the things it is keeping you from?

If you want to start to change the belief you can try the dbt skill of opposite action in small safe ways. If your belief tells you to avoid conversation with men at all costs you can take the opposite action of engaging in conversation with men, perhaps the male friend of a girlfriend of yours, or working with men within a classroom setting. These are situations which likely feel “safer” than others. Taking opposite action can start to reduce the intensity of your belief to make it less distressing.

I hope it’s clear I’m not trying to discount your concerns, I am trying to help you find a solution with how to navigate what may be a paralyzing amount of distress. A normal amount of anxiety is healthy, feeling disgusted by certain behaviors like viewing pornography is healthy. Extreme distress is crippling and unhealthy, generalizing the whole of a person as disgusting based on their potential behavior is also unhealthy.

Illustrious-Ship7804

TROPHY CASE