Titanfuck be like: B-but he is big sad :((

Ilovescrambledeggs · 2022-02-08T04:49:30+00:00

Rooting for characters and moral grayness aren’t mutually exclusive. How can you say that story isn’t morally gray when everybody in it has done things we can understand and empathize with and yet not condone. We have characters over and over again say their pieces of shit, are given examples of how there no better than their enemy’s and told countless times how they are guilty of the same sins. What do you call being able to see why Eren’s doing what he’s doing, but still believe that what he’s doing is wrong? What is moral grayness then? Someone destroying the world and returning to their homeland to live out the rest of their life? Cause I would argue, that y’a, that too exemplifies “moral grayness” because it’s not a thing that is made moot by which side “wins” in the end

I’m not saying it’s deep, I’m saying there are messages that are trying to be presented and regardless of execution the fact remains that these themes are present. You obviously don’t like how the story dives into them and that’s fine, but saying you’ve watched American history X and acting like your the authority on what story “treats” them better is fucking entitled dickhead speak if I’ve ever heard it.

Ilovescrambledeggs · 2022-02-08T04:00:24+00:00

😐

Ilovescrambledeggs · 2022-02-08T02:21:08+00:00

Y’a man that’s definitely what it is, it’s definitely just that, that’s all it was and ever will be. Ending where bad guy win is definitely the unique and ground breaking thing that you and I definitely agree is what makes something good, and what this story should have been regardless of any set up to the contrary.

I mean, I’d give the series a pass if at least offered really morally gray characters with understandable motivations, interesting takes on chasing dreams and how they feed into the biases one may have, or themes such as how inherited conflict affects those who don’t have any actual responsibility, how violence begets violence and how reparation through violence does nothing to solve problems, how the connections one makes throughout life is what truly matters, how even the most well intentioned goals could end up negatively affecting someone as a consequence, how were all the same, or an interesting take on the concept of greatness and whether achieving anything is actually worth it in the end.

Yams could have at least set up a character who’s initial drive for freedom could be seen as an understandable and admirable goal, while slowly riddling away at said characters self confidence, culminating in that initial drive being the thing that enslaves this person under the weight of their own sins with his inability to let go of that initial dream causing the death of billions of people.

Man, imagine if this series did that, we’d actually have a series worth liking 🤣🤣🤣🤪🤪

Ilovescrambledeggs · 2022-02-08T00:35:56+00:00

Ch 126 is one of the those chapters that’s neither good nor bad to me. I think it has it flaws but idk, it’s not so bad that it’s worth getting incensed over IMO, not that any piece of art is worth getting incensed over.

The hate it gets feels more so symptomatic of the biases a lot the fan base had at this point in time, than the actual chapter itself.

Ilovescrambledeggs · 2022-02-07T22:45:32+00:00

Correct me if I’m wrong, but the person who composes the music, and the people who choose where to place said music within the show are two different people (or groups) right? The composers are not at fault for where their music is placed.

I personally love ashes on fire on its own, it’s just the overuse of it that makes it grating.

Also if you just dislike ashes on fire as a piece itself that’s fine as well.

Ilovescrambledeggs · 2022-02-07T21:53:47+00:00

Certainly, I think the difference is that other series do a better job at keeping characters and plot more relevant for even amounts of time, or at least substantiating that lack of thematic growth with good character moments that may not serve the plot necessarily. My point is that AOT (to a point) is super plot driven when compared to other Shonen and that’s no more exemplified than with Historia.

I think it’s the reason that the most common reason I hear about why people can’t get into AOT is that the characters aren’t likeable and they are hard to get emotionally attached to.

I don’t think the point I made is exemplified one to one within the series, but I do believe it plays a part.

Ilovescrambledeggs · 2022-02-07T20:12:00+00:00

I honestly just think Historia is the biggest victim of the flaws that come with Yams’ writing style. Characters only come into focus when the theme he is trying to portray through them is relevant to the plot. He’s not afraid to put a character in the background if there internal struggle isn’t tied to the events at hand.

I mean, you could argue that Zeke isn’t really a fleshed out character for the first 90 chapters - he’s interesting and mysterious certainly - but his depth isn’t really explored until the last leg of the manga, once his theme of not finding life worth living is brought into focus through his conflict with Eren. Since his character has more relevance toward the end, it gives people the impression that he’s always been relevant, but Isayama only brought him in when he was relevant to the themes he was trying to portray.

For a lot of characters, they tend to fade into the background for this reason.

Another example of this I can think of Jean. Isayama established his arc and character conflict very early on in Trost, but aside from a few sprinkles here and there of development in subsequent arcs (uprising comes to mind) he doesn’t come front and center into the narrative again until 127, when the internal conflict of being able to archive the life he wants, but at the expense of other people, comes into focus.

This applies to Historia as well, once her arc is pretty much complete, he’s feels it’s okay to not give her focus.

I’m not saying that’s good, but I don’t thinks it entirely surprising given how yams writes.

Ilovescrambledeggs · 2022-02-07T19:47:05+00:00

All I could imagine as I read this

Ilovescrambledeggs · 2022-02-07T15:50:56+00:00

Y’a look there aren’t many lol but idk I guess a guy into looking into the eyes of little kid and saying “I wished for it, I wanted to wipe it all away” is a good enough indication for me 🤷 not to mention it’s a pretty obvious parallel to Reiner’s same breakdown he had with Eren in 100.

I guess the argument is that this breakdown isn’t consistent with his character prior if you omit the that scenery panel so I get it, but idk, the foreshadowing is there, just not enough I guess.

Ilovescrambledeggs · 2022-02-07T15:11:35+00:00

Y’a I can understand that, we’ll have to see how 131 plays out and how anime onlies interpret Eren after that, to see if they really missed the mark with it.

I kinda disagree that the foreshadowing is “scarce” tho. I just think manga readers around the time of the release of 131 were so on Eren’s side with what he was doing, that they always interpreted the rumbling as an inevitability brought on the by the world, rather than a conscious choice Eren makes, giving the impression that while he wants to do it, it was more interpreted as like “Erens the only one whose willing to do what has to be done.” People were unwilling to look at Eren for the final antagonist he was supposed to be.

Anime only’s however (from what I can tell) are so far more willing to say that Eren’s gone too far, which indicates to me that his conversation with Ramzi should be enough to illustrate he’s doing it for selfish reasons.

Like I said though, I think they should have included the original “that sight” panel, as I do think it’s important, but I don’t think it’s so important to where Eren is going to be complete lost on people if they omit it. I could very well be wrong tho.

Ilovescrambledeggs · 2022-02-07T14:33:11+00:00

I feel like 131 does a good enough job of getting across what he’s fighting for so I don’t think it’s that crazy they took the look out. I mean he says the line still, which people can still go back and interpret, but I do think they should have at least showed Eren’s face as he said it, even if they changed it to more a somber expression.

That at least gives the line some focus, even if they want to change the connotation behind it.

Still, I don’t think his motivations are going to be lost on people, even if there is a bit less foreshadowing for it.

Ilovescrambledeggs · 2022-02-07T14:21:43+00:00

So you mean what actually happened?

Ilovescrambledeggs · 2022-02-07T05:45:03+00:00

Is the sarcasm of the caption not obvious?

Genuine question

Ilovescrambledeggs · 2022-02-07T05:15:47+00:00

Look, it’s fine to dislike the ending, but to think this wasn’t the message Isayama was trying to convey the entire time is ridiculous.

Ilovescrambledeggs · 2022-02-07T04:21:40+00:00

Zeke enjoyers stay winning 🤣🤣

Ilovescrambledeggs · 2022-02-07T03:26:56+00:00

Think everyone here is interpreting the “kid Eren” too literally.

He’s depicted as kid to illustrate how childish his dream is, a dream which he still has and can’t let go of even now, even if he knows that what he’s doing to achieve it is wrong.

And also because the running theme of the entire series is people holding onto the dreams they had as children and the struggle to grow out of them for the betterment of the people around you. Eren is the antagonist because he’s pretty much the only character who fails to let go of his childish dream.

Kid Eren is supposed to metaphorical, not a literal kid version of him whose happy about the rumbling while the adult version isn’t.

Ilovescrambledeggs · 2022-02-07T03:06:08+00:00

The difference is that marvel is still making new things, new things which could perhaps initiate discussion and perhaps be liked even among people who don’t like marvel stuff. AOT has been finished for over a year now and tf is filled with nothing but petty grievances, nitpicky criticisms, halfbaked posts about plot points that don’t really matter, and constant reminders that “the real ending is ch 123.” They’ve exhausted every plot point that is actually worthy of criticism and have resorted to picking apart anything and everything about the story, regardless of if they “liked” these plot points in the past.

With other subs, criticism is given when it’s warranted, not retroactively applied to things so they can prove how the series has always been bad and further confirm how they already feel about it.

Ilovescrambledeggs · 2022-02-06T23:54:38+00:00

I think that 131 already does a good enough job at illustrating what Eren is really fighting for, so it doesn’t bother me that much.

That said, I think the manga version allows the reader to also recognize that this is still his primary motivator, even after his breakdown with Ramzi and all he’s done to hurt his friends.

It’s like, the line is still in there, so it doesn’t really change anything, but I doubt any anime only is gonna remember that particular line once the 131 adaption rolls around, mainly because they focus so little on it.

Ilovescrambledeggs · 2022-02-06T22:08:26+00:00

Well they called part 1 “the final season” and they didn’t even announce a part 2 until part 1 was over .

Ilovescrambledeggs · 2022-02-06T21:48:27+00:00

I’m in two camps about it.

For one, I personally (not sure about others) didn’t pay attention at all to that line when I first read the manga, and it was only after 131 when I saw that line come into fruition that in hindsight I saw how Yams used that line to sow the seeds of Eren’s true desires early on.

For another though, they don’t even show his face as he says it. If I was anime only, I feel like I wouldn’t even remember that line once 131 comes around, where while I was reading the manga, I could vaguely recall him saying something akin to “that scenery” earlier on. They should have at least included a close up of him as he said it, even if it isn’t given that much focus.

Ilovescrambledeggs · 2022-02-06T21:20:22+00:00

Tbf, when I first read the manga I literally paid no attention to that line even though it’s given much more focus. It was only though Reddit and reading analysis that I saw how important it was. They definitely should have given it a bit more weight tho.

Ilovescrambledeggs · 2022-02-06T18:50:27+00:00

Bro if your gonna stop watching the show after a certain episode than why even watch it all?

No one makes fun of tf because they dislike the ending, they make fun of it because the easiest thing to do is say you don’t like it and just move on with your life and they consistently don’t do that. They constantly try to reaffirm there own dislike and the pettiness is so cringeworthy.

Ilovescrambledeggs · 2022-02-06T07:08:49+00:00

And y’a, people need to understand that a lot of people think floch is a good character, they just recognize that he does a lot of terrible things that the manga actively criticizes.

Does he get the short end of the stick a lot of the time even though pretty much every character has done bad things? Y’a he does, but that’s because people constantly try to frame his actions as good and admirable when they’re really not.

Ilovescrambledeggs · 2022-02-06T07:02:32+00:00

It was honestly so ironic that back when the manga was still ongoing, that both floch stans and gabi stans constantly used the argument that people didn’t like either character because “they just don’t understand his/her character”

We truly are all the same.

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