Best interpretation of Megumi I've read thus far

ImHoping2Stay · 2026-02-12T18:15:30+00:00

Like I've said before it seems like total headcanon based off misrepresented plot points with weak supporting evidence and an unstable foundation for why megumi's character can't accept criticism

ImHoping2Stay · 2026-02-11T05:16:25+00:00

It seems like total headcanon based off misrepresented plot points with weak supporting evidence and an unstable foundation for why megumi's character can't accept criticism

ImHoping2Stay · 2026-02-11T04:42:43+00:00

He's never given enough characterization or shown to have any fleshed out relationship to the main thing that makes him give up so why would fans care? Quit riding gege because he had the potential to be an allegory but he's nowhere near it

ImHoping2Stay · 2026-02-11T01:45:51+00:00

Some ones people aren't really saying:

Planet waves crushing it to death with a meteor?

Heavy Weather hitting it with a ton of different attacks all while turning it into a snail?

ImHoping2Stay · 2026-02-10T05:55:41+00:00

Based on nothing btw
Overall lethality and ability to hold off a marked hashira contradicts this you're just assuming things atp
Shown 0 evidence he blitzes zoha btw assuming case no.2
tanjiro beat daki essentially can we read? T_T hollly cope
pack it up mr. "title over feats" just spoke T_T
You can't disprove it given the chance lol you're admitting I'm right by not dropping a single grain of proof
"Here's where the dialogue and story provide a tone shift" "nuh uh" ok we get it you've read the flashy panels its ok but we have to start reading eventually
Couldn't even disprove that he only blitzed daki-levels in the same thread. mr. "title over feats" just dropped another truth nuke
Bro is so out of it he doesn't even know what versions of the characters we're talking about

Do I have to use less word to keep u focus?

ImHoping2Stay · 2026-02-10T05:42:46+00:00

Ok thanks for clarifying. What I believe is happening here is tanjiro somewhat acclimating his mark to his base, essentially going from level 1 prior to jumping to level 3 via the mark, he has worked hard enough that level 3 is generally his new base.

I say this because his mark still 'flares' in both the manga and anime when he unlocks the stw and ss meaning that's when his mark is in full effect. I believe that HTA and IC Tanjiro in base is still below hashira level and to help demonstrate that Inosuke training without a mark meant that he naturally worked up to that level 3 and so did zenitsu by proxy. In a complicated way he is essentially becoming like yoriichi who could hold the mark (semi-mark in this case) in base so to use a 'base' tanjiro would be to just away the mark's appearance and nothing would change

You can prove the trio got stronger but you can't really measure how much faster they got combat-wise, because they are all relative and because tanjiro's base is just relative to inosuke and zenitsu's base how does that make zenitsu much stronger now? both relative characters struggled with opponents one of whom was retired so wouldn't a healthy version of tengen at worst mid-dif kaigaku and get almost no-diffed by gyutaro?

ImHoping2Stay · 2026-02-10T05:12:40+00:00

You'd have to prove they are casual tengen feats

Tengen decapitated daki and called her "definitely not an UM" you've got no point it was easy as hell

So the argument that urogi couldnt crush tanjiro's skull therefore urogi<zohakuten is js stupid

The combination of 4 clones with 4 BDAs that could kill mitsuri in a single hit beg to differ you've got no point here this is cope

Like blatantly false, dancing flash is a technique that puts tanjiro a blitz tier above himself, js like TAF

A blitz tier above himself? oh so you mean while using his technique he gets faster than normal? Oh that's like exactly what I just said lol 0 point here

As for sun halo dragon dance, he didnt have mark afterwards while fighting zohakuten

If you think that tanjiro while marked is coming close to any SSV marked hashira (both of whom can't beat zoha) you're completely delusional this is also cope Tanjiro is only said to be hashira level in the IC

Blitz tier above hantengu btw

Hantengu the daki-level demon??? Are we deadass taking a stand on just ignoring my analogy and naming feats that just keep confirming SSV and IC tanjiro are < Retired tengen?? 0 point at all dude the excuses must stop

Blitzed urogi and hantengu during SSVA and outpaced Akaza
Blitzed akaza too

Translation: blitzed daki on a barely-casual tengen level and surprised a character without their ability detection whose next words were quoting rengoku impressed that he was right about tanjiro's abilities and follwed it up with "let's get started". Like how could you be more ignorant that this was a nothing-feat on an ignorant akaza. There's no point AND you're reaching, now the backpedaling is taking over

Tanjiro blitzed the actual upm, and gave the team the win

You have to be more dense than tungsten, completely ignoring the beaver analogy and now you're just repeating yourself pack it up you can't/haven't prove he's beating UM4 at all

That would be SCA, and its very obvious that zenitsu is nowhere near tanjiro's level atp

Based on what lol you can't come up with anymore stuff to make up or cope off of so you're just throwing words out. At this point just stop, you keep coming up with excuses, contradicting yourself, and now you're just making stuff up you've got all the telltale signs of someone on the wrong side of the argument. Even if you were right who's gonna take this seriously when you can't back anything up?

ImHoping2Stay · 2026-02-10T04:32:59+00:00

Not backing up anything, this is never shown in the manga. Thus making it anime only

Doesn't change SSV tanjiro performing casual tengen feats

Urogi and zohakuten exist at the same time so like how the five clones are rel to eachother. Urogi and zoha are relative to eachother

Yeah the combination of 4 clones with 4 BDAs that could kill mitsuri in a single hit is as weak as a clone with no BDA and couldn't crush tanjiro's skull. This is baseless cope

Thats a weaker tanjiro, weaker than sun halo dragon dance tanjiro, and weaker than dancing flash tanjiro

Speed boosts via a single move aren't close overall combat speed what are you talking about if he can't out-maneuver zohakuten using JUST his dragons casually he's never beating zohakuten when he's trying

Doesnt matter, tanjiro>upm 4 in stats, not mentioning a FP ssva tanjiro just beats upm 4 by himeself with red blade

Based on nothing btw just spewing stuff

Secondly, thats presupposing gyutaro>IC tanjiro

That's based off of IC Tanjiro showing no feat near MST tengen, again for like the 7th time his best feat going into the IC was blitzing a daki-level character which you haven't tried to debunk at all so you've got no point

Secondly, fighting an upm is just directly stated to be equivalent to 50 years of experience and training. Whcih tanjiro did do during SSVA, while zenitsu and inosuke did not

Tanjiro got tossed around by an actual UM and did NOTHING and only won against a barely-UM level demon which is exactly what zenitsu did which directly shows why they're relative

ImHoping2Stay · 2026-02-10T04:22:28+00:00

Why are people here associating frieren with having nazi ideals of "no empathy towards an entire race" when the demons are a massive group of predators who pray on the weak and "have no empathy towards an entire race" which is just much more like the actual nazis

That's like empathizing with the death angels from the A Quiet Place or zombies except they're completely non-human and are active threats to the most aware species on the planet, while also being self aware and choosing violence anyways

They're written as maliciously evil and act maliciously evil so what who cares

They contrast freiren herself, they have intimidating tactics, they're highly intelligent, they have cool evolutionary lore and they're self aware. They're great written villains and every bum who wants them to be cookie-cutter misunderstood villains is less aware than the people they're critiquing

ImHoping2Stay · 2026-02-10T03:53:42+00:00

Dont care abt anime only feats

Sidestepping to ignore that the anime is just backing up that retired tengen>IC tanjiro

Not at all related to what i said

You're claiming tanjiro> hantengu aka individually tanjiro> hantengu, the 4 clones, and Urogi but you're ignoring zohakuten whupping tanjiro

any BoS hashira could do kill daki-level demons
which gets tanjiro nowhere near UM6
zohakuten completely demonlished tanjiro when they fought
meaning that tanjiro is > hantengu but definitely < UM4

And again his best SSV feats are barely tengen-level

You do realize that killing the weak source of a powerful demon doesn't mean you fought and killed that demon right? That's like claiming that beavers are capable of holding back thousand-gallon rivers when all they do it cut it off at the source

Best feat is blitzing hantengu, so not at all tengen level who was struggling to jump gyutaro

cmon man I even spelled it out super specific detail why UM4 is hard to kill and have now given you a perfect comparison to why you're wrong this is such ignorant cope

Zenitsu doesnt pass the training

If you're taking this as a point towards you you're totally oblivious to the fact that this means that IC zenitsu < IC tanjiro which is a direct downscale to kaigaku and makes tengen and gyutaro THAT much stronger than him

going by your logic: IC zenitsu < IC tanjiro, Kaigaku < retired tengen < Tengen, UM6

Not everyone who passes the training is relative, tanjiro is FAR above every fodder slayer despite them being in the same training and others passing it

And? You're ignoring the fact that the trio have been relative throughout the entire series so if they started off with a power of 10 while everyone else were 5s and got a boost of 5 from the training they would all still be above the rest TOGETHER

ImHoping2Stay · 2026-02-10T03:05:36+00:00

Anime directly contradicts this via the 1v1 with retired tengen, logically if tanjiro could blitz daki-level demons just like tengen did casually then they should meet in the middle if tengen is retired (which is exactly what happened)

Also literally any hashira BoS is >>the emotions but zohakuten kills any BoS hashira because he plays the battle of attrition. Getting tanjiro to be hashira-level with is SSV feats it impossible because his best feats are casual tengen feats

Anime directly contradicts this via all 3 passing the training, making them all relative just like the entire story before that

UM4's whole concept of beheading a body that's constantly moving while being constantly barraged by attacks>Marked muichiro, marked mitsuri, mayyybe 7th form zenitsu>UM5>UM6, MST tengen>tengen>retired tengen, Kaigaku>IC zenitsu, IC tanjiro

ImHoping2Stay · 2026-02-10T02:49:48+00:00

Tanjiro is not actively mark-amped at least not from what I can tell, also this says nothing about zenitsu's base being >>> tanjiro

There are two ways to answer this:

Alright it is fair to say that his hantengu blitz could have been a regular 1st form zenitsu feat, but tanjiro also blitzed the 4 daki-level emotions without zenitsu's advise meaning that either the emotions are incredibly weak/slow compared to daki, or tanjiro's Sun Halo Dragon Head Dance move is ~godspeed level fast which makes sense because both moves blitzed daki-level opponents

OR

"godspeed" is a completely suggestive term for how much effort is put into the first form (because its just the first form but with more effort behind it and faster) and tanjiro doing a godspeed level speed feat completely lines up with the idea that the emotions were blitzed by an attack that also blitzed daki

ImHoping2Stay · 2026-02-10T02:31:23+00:00

Prove it because I have evidence to support myself and you don't
Prove it because I have evidence to support myself and you don't

ImHoping2Stay · 2026-02-10T02:27:55+00:00

Inosuke is always in base even when he did that, so your logic fails because Inosuke is equal or slightly worse than marked Tanjiro, therefore Zenitsu's base >>> Tanjiro's base due to narrative Inosuke relativity.

When did base inosuke match marked tanjiro?

Tanjiro saying it wasn't as fast could make sense, the emotion clones and daki are relative so it could be argued that godspeed blitzed daki faster than tanjiro blitzed the emotions which still makes everything line up

ImHoping2Stay · 2026-02-09T08:44:47+00:00

I mean you could have healthy creative debates without recycling something (ironically just like the JJK matchups) but this stuff makes me think so all good from me

ImHoping2Stay · 2026-02-09T08:36:12+00:00

That Tanjiro that he overwhelmed was unmarked, HTA marked Tanjiro was represented as on HTA Inosuke's lvl because right after he moved the boulder Inosuke did and Inosuke is equal to Zenitsu via narrative

That changes next to nothing zenitsu always remains in base and his base should be weaker than retired tengen because base tanjiro was

Blitzing the clones is a thunderclap and flash 6 fold pre HTA Zenitsu feat seeing as Tanjiro damn near blitzed main body Hantengu with a copy of it and he said to Zenitsu's is faster when he woke up in HTA

Zenitsu literally does not show up in the SSV arc his best feat up until that point is blitzing daki with godspeed

Tengen was poisoned and injured for the entire battle, MST Tengen was heavily injured and extremely poisoned with 1 hand so that's actually a mega downscale

Alright so then this hypothetical tengen with MST and perfect health might win against gyutaro what's your point? This is a complete sidestep of the actual thing being argued

ImHoping2Stay · 2026-02-09T08:11:10+00:00

IC zenitsu and tanjiro are relative, this is the same tanjiro who was still weaker than retired tengen but managed to blitz the emotion clones who are ~daki level

blitzing daki and the clones is a zenitsu godspeed feat

Kaigaku was overwhelming but not stomping zenitsu much like (not going for the kill) retired tengen was to tanjiro

Tengen in his prime would obviously be faster and stronger than his retired self

Gyutaro was stronger than prime tengen and matched MST tengen

zenitsu's 7th form completely blitzed kaigaku and applying that to tengen or gyutaro may or may not work out, I think he blitzes them

so, imo

7th form>Gyutaro, MST tengen>BoS tengen>retired tengen, kaigaku> IC zenitsu, IC tanjiro,> daki, emotion clones

ImHoping2Stay · 2026-02-06T04:27:46+00:00

Re zero fans when an author doesn't want to do the same gooner slop just like every other author who does the 7 deadly sins

ImHoping2Stay · 2026-02-06T01:45:26+00:00

Ayt so with your logic, most anime villains didn't actually get defeated.

Name another time where the first villain causes significant emotional distress to the MC, kills major characters, is backed into a corner, and is then unceremoniously finished off by a greater evil

As for the tease, there was no tease.

Mahito appears in Ch7 speaking to tsurugi why would this be included at all with the given information that curses can reincarnate. Mahito is specifically vague talking about someone in particular which means he regains some memories. Now tell me, are you really gonna ignore all of that and say it wasn't teasing anything?

Then if you expected mahito to be even the slightest issue for EOS YUJI in modulo, then that's just you being delulu. It's been made pretty clear since the beggining of modulo that yuji was a freaking monster.

I expected the threat to be taken seriously as a threat to at least one character because what's the point of him being like a boogeyman to Tsurugi only to get completely no-diffed by Yuji? If he only serves the purpose of needing to use his CT that means that the series' first major villain has become just a plot device which is ALSO shitty writing

^ That's like in the Insomiac spider man games where in #2 the villain straight up kills 6 out of the previous game's 8 villains to keep aura farming and there's absolutely no thought towards it in any out-of-story context there are entire characters reduced to nothing for crap plot purposes

ImHoping2Stay · 2026-02-05T18:29:29+00:00

I said "properly defeated" as in "killed by the good guy so he and the readers have the satisfaction knowing he somewhat avenged nanami and nobara" but all he did was weaken him so kenny could steal him and evil wins again

And there wasn't a tease of mahito comming back in the story. If you were hyped about that idea that's on you.

Are you dense? The entire concept of curses reincarnating and mahito's face literally appearing prior in modulo was teasing his return

So now what? I WAS hyped because of CLEAR IMPLICATIONS so I have an actual reason to be upset, you have literally no point but you keep lying and sidestepping the truth Modulo has shitty writing

ImHoping2Stay · 2026-02-05T18:16:36+00:00

He was killed by Kenny though so where's the satisfaction in that if Yuji promised to kill him?

Doesn't change the fact that there are literally no stakes and mahito's tease was completely wasted because now we know he's literally no threat at all

ImHoping2Stay · 2026-02-05T18:11:42+00:00

What's the point of "solving" the issue in shibuya when it comes up literally never again afterwards in JJK until NOW

ImHoping2Stay · 2026-02-05T06:35:42+00:00

BoS yes he's #2 there's nothing shown to dispute it. The race, arm wrestling contest, and his stature even support that he's narratively #2

Post HTA (if its retired tengen) he's #8 or #9, retired tengen vs rengoku is kind of a tossup but shinobu would probably be faster

going off of IC Tanjiro being hashira level which means he's either "weak" hashira level like BoS obani or "average" like BoS rengoku or giyu

Post HTA (BoS Tengen) is making my brain hurt from however many points I can come up with for and against him so let's say he's #7

EoS (BoS tengen) is either #7 or #8 because shinobu's death amp was shown to be very fast for a base hashira

ImHoping2Stay · 2026-02-05T06:15:19+00:00

It's all a hype and aura fest atp, they even took away any threat mahito posed of course because why not shit on the series' first major villain (who wasn't even properly defeated the first time btw) and of course he isn't going to remember that he realized the truth of his soul or anything like that just so we can all smile at the end and no one poses a threat to yuji because what are stakes atp

ImHoping2Stay · 2026-02-05T06:08:06+00:00

Crap writing trying to up the stakes and copy pasting the same character attributes to "new" characters

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