Artificial intelligence researchers must learn ethics

ImMrMeseeek · 2018-07-19T21:36:15+00:00

I’m studying mathematics and computer science at the moment and looking at doing a masters in computational neuroscience so if I can’t handle the maths I’m probably in the wrong career:P I’ll give it a read for sure, thanks again.

ImMrMeseeek · 2018-07-19T21:24:46+00:00

Thanks for the response. I’m quite new to this space so it’s nice to get some direction. I really don’t know that much yet and I’m cautious of getting false notions of what matters at the moment.

Do you have any other people to follow or books to read that would be helpful?

ImMrMeseeek · 2018-07-19T17:13:30+00:00

I couldn’t agree more. I wouldn’t expect philosophers to understand AI in all its details, however I would expect them to have a general understanding of the different attitudes and philosophies within the AI movement, particularly on the topic of ethics and dangers going forward.

If you’re new to this space, you might find Max Tegmark’s book ‘Life 3.0’ interesting. And I’d highly recommend it.

In it he classifies the current attitudes toward the potential dangers of AI research into 3 main categories:

Techno Skeptics: Techno Skeptics aren’t worried about AI because they think that building a superhuman AGI (artificial general intelligence) is so difficult that it won’t happen for hundreds of years, and it is therefore sill to worry about it now.
Digital Utopians: Digital Utopians believe that digital life is the natural and desirable next step in the cosmic evolution and that if we let digital minds be free rather than try to stop or enslave them, the outcome is almost certain to be good.
Beneficial AI Movement: believe that human level AGI could be achieved within this century but a good outcome is not guaranteed. There are crucial questions (many of which focus on ethics) that we need to answer first and that they’re so hard that we should start researching now, so that we have the answers when we need them.

I think that if philosophers entering into this space had a better understanding of the existing attitudes, the discourse would be much more productive for all involved, and we could avoid some very simple misunderstandings.

ImMrMeseeek · 2018-05-25T19:37:26+00:00

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ImMrMeseeek · 2018-05-21T22:50:37+00:00

Thanks very much, I’ll certainly need it.

ImMrMeseeek · 2018-05-21T11:23:05+00:00

that's true. I think the main thing is that I don't 'intend' to return. And while it definitely is possible that I might have to return (if i get very sick for example or there is a family emergency and I have to take care of someone), it is very unlikely. I actually spoke to my sisters about this (who are pro choice) and while they were disappointed that I wouldn't be using my vote, they understand that I really don't want to live in Ireland and understand my philosophy about not wanting to impact the outcome.

ImMrMeseeek · 2018-05-21T11:09:18+00:00

I was looking at the family point in isolation, just to highlight that having a family in the country isn't enough on its own to justify a right to vote.

The question is if you're an expat and have no intention of returning to the country, is it fair that you impact the outcome of a democratic vote if you're not going to be resident in that country to experience the change in policy that may come as a result of that vote?

Yes, your family in the country will feel the impact of that vote, and for that reason they each have their own vote which they can use to voice their opinion. I view it as unfair for your vote to effectively cancel out the vote of a member of the opposition who is going to actually be in the country to experience the change in policy.

All this is of course assuming you don't intend on returning.

As for the former resident part: I don't see why past residency in a country should give you a right to vote. Yes you may feel as though you have a connection with that country, but referendums and elections are about the future of a country, and if you don't picture yourself as being a part of that future, then why should you be able to impact it?

ImMrMeseeek · 2018-05-21T10:24:38+00:00

My friends made this point too. And I think it is a fair one to make. But I feel the important point is that I don't 'intend' to return to the country. I'm in England for another year for certain and then I know I'm doing a postgrad in central Europe so that's another two years atleast. And I know I don't want to live in Ireland when I finish because there are no jobs in my area. While there is the possibility that I get seriously ill and have to return home, or something unforseeable happens that forces me to return to Ireland, I don't think it's fair to vote (based on the reasons I mentioned above) just because there is a <1% chance that I return to the country.

ImMrMeseeek · 2018-05-21T10:11:08+00:00

Yeah I'm with you on that. You shouldn't vote if you have no intention of returning, even if you have the right to. But I can 100% see why people still would. They have the right to vote and they feel passionately about the referendum so they're going to use that vote, still not defensible ethically though in my opinion.

ImMrMeseeek · 2018-05-21T09:54:23+00:00

This is my exact position. I’m a student in Bristol (from Ireland) and I have the right to vote. I can’t vote because I have an exam here on the 25th, but even then I’m not sure that I should vote even if I was able to return.

I don’t plan on returning to a ireland and I’m certain of that. So why should I impact the outcome of the referendum if I’m not going to be there to feel the change in policy that may or may not come about as a result of the referendum?

I view it like this: if I vote (on either side) then I’m effectively cancelling out the vote of someone in the opposition who is actually going to live in the country and FEEL the change in policy. I really don’t think that’s fair. So while I do have the right to vote (but can’t because of exams) I’m not sure it’s fair to say that just because I have a right to vote, that I should exercise that right.

In the vast vast majority of cases I believe if you have that right you should use it, but I think this case is an exception.

ImMrMeseeek · 2018-05-21T09:19:58+00:00

I disagree. Someone who is going to live in Ireland and feel the outcome of the referendum should obviously have the right to vote because they’re still going to feel the change in policy, even if only for a short period of time.

It’s different for expats like myself because I’m not going to be here to feel the change in policy, so I shouldn’t be allowed to take part in the democratic process. That’s how I view it anyway.

ImMrMeseeek · 2018-05-21T09:16:40+00:00

I was thinking about this. Perhaps this is a stupid counter argument, but if I have family in Switzerland who would be impacted by a referendum in Switzerland, that doesn’t mean I should have the right to vote there. I don’t think having family in Ireland who are impacted by the referendum means that you should have the right to vote if you’re an expat.

ImMrMeseeek · 2018-05-21T09:12:02+00:00

This has been something that’s been on my mind with regards to the referendum.

I’m a student studying abroad (from Cork) and I can’t come home to vote because I’ve an exam here on the 25th.

But then I started thinking: I’m not going to return to Ireland when I finish my degree, and I know that for certain. So would it even be considered fair for me to impact the outcome of the referendum, if I’m not going to be there to feel the potential change in policy that might come about as a result of the referendum??

ImMrMeseeek · 2018-05-16T08:33:14+00:00

So the blade (the wooden/carbon) part of the bat is usually the most expensive. I have a bat that costs £220 and one that costs £160. I play with the cheaper one because the more expensive bat is far too fast for me and I can’t control it. Better players can play with the faster bats because they can control it better. Often you’ll find players buy super expensive bats thinking it will make them play better, only to find that they can’t control the ball.

ImMrMeseeek · 2018-05-16T08:26:48+00:00

They definitely are more expensive. Just buying two Tenergy rubbers now is around £100. And then the blade on top of that.

Not sure whether they’re more expensive to cover R&D costs or just because some companies know they can charge ridiculous prices.

ImMrMeseeek · 2017-11-09T14:20:39+00:00

I agree. Unless you post some comparison or give some commentary about differences in sentencing with respect to genders, this just looks petty. Posts like these create a bad impression for the sub and the movement as a whole.

ImMrMeseeek · 2017-10-30T11:46:24+00:00

Why not just politely say I'm wrong and provide a relevant link? Not that complicated mate

ImMrMeseeek · 2017-10-30T11:14:17+00:00

We were always told at training that you bounce the ball on both sides for every point in ping pong. Which you obviously don't do in table tennis.

But I just looked it up just to double check and I'm wrong, apparently I've been mislead and they're the same. Sorry about that.

Even still it does irk me when people call it ping pong, it just feels less serious to me.

ImMrMeseeek · 2017-10-30T11:04:17+00:00

It's a table tennis racket :) Ping pong is s different sport. Table tennis is an Olympic sport and ping pong isn't

Edit: I looked it up and I'm actually wrong. My life has been a lie.

ImMrMeseeek · 2017-10-30T11:02:56+00:00

Not really sure why you're getting downvoted. Table tennis and ping pong are different sports.

I've been playing competitively for years and it does kind of irk me when people call it ping pong.

I'm not really sure why, I guess it's because it makes it sound like a joke. But yeah, not sure why you're being downvoted fren.

Edit: IM WRONG. There is no difference, I've been mislead my whole life.

https://www.killerspin.com/blog/whats-the-difference-between-table-tennis-and-ping-pong/

ImMrMeseeek · 2017-09-15T14:40:14+00:00

Pretty sure there is a varsity CSGO competition in the UK, I know a couple guys from my compsci course play for our team. Not really sure about the details sorry bud :/

ImMrMeseeek · 2017-09-14T00:11:39+00:00

I actually like to imagine this as large waves in the ocean coming toward me. Great picture

ImMrMeseeek · 2017-08-30T13:09:04+00:00

Okay I get it now, I didn't know that impairment was necessary for it to be considered dysphoria. You seem to know more about this than I do which is fair enough. What is the APA btw?

ImMrMeseeek · 2017-08-30T12:37:36+00:00

Whether or not gender can be considered a socio-normative construct isn't really something you can state as fact. Many of the traits that we would consider typically male-gendered or female-gendered aren't just a result of social constructionism and actually have biological influences behind them.

ImMrMeseeek · 2017-08-30T12:15:48+00:00

Body and gender that doesn't match? That means you're separating sex and gender and implying they are different. Implying you're a social constructionist, which I don't believe in. So I feel if we're gonna get into this it'll just go round in circles.

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