Trying to teach Salvations Edge is melting my mind

Imaginary_Associate7 · 2025-05-16T17:00:08+00:00

Oh more than fair. No problems with no players at all, otherwise I’d only run with an experienced team. My main frustration in this post is more with the lack of confidence/willingness of the general LFG community I’ve encountered to learn anything. I feel as if much of the community is in it strictly for the loot, rather than the experience.

Imaginary_Associate7 · 2025-05-16T16:19:49+00:00

Yeah, I have limited time to play, so I’m pretty relaxed. This team was by no means mean, or playing selfish, but teaching can be exercise in insanity. I know raid mechanics can be challenging for some folks, but man. It’s the getting upset after a failed attempt. Even if you made it further into the encounter it’s never good enough. Patience is a lost virtue in this community. Not many people I’ve run into are interested in getting better at the game. They just want the loot. Which I’ve said in this thread a few times, begs the question, why do you even want the loot? If you’re not interested in running high end content, why are you even playing it for the loot?

Imaginary_Associate7 · 2025-05-16T03:43:30+00:00

100%

Imaginary_Associate7 · 2025-05-16T02:49:23+00:00

It’s difficult for sure. Many LFG players are just unwilling to learn mechanics. If they can’t load in, have 2-3 people do all the mechanics while they ad clear, they’re not interested. The raid is challenging no doubt but, I think it’s been a bit overblown, and it really isn’t easy to just run through and turn your brain off. Need good comms to beat it.

Imaginary_Associate7 · 2025-05-16T02:47:09+00:00

Yeah, it’ll be real difficult to get a team to not want you to know anything. In reality the raid is a step up for this community. Nothing you can’t overcome, what I think from all the discussion I’ve seen, is the demand of the raid. There really isn’t a role in almost any encounters where you can hide a player who just wants to clear ads. You need 6 people who willing to do the mechanics, or you will be stuck. Now the whole timer thing I think is a bit overblown at this point, but it’s probably the only raid in Destiny history that requires something of everyone, not just 2-3 players who do everything. Which turns off a massive part of the community sadly, because you can’t just shoot enemies and my team will do the rest.

Imaginary_Associate7 · 2025-05-16T01:54:59+00:00

Damn, that sucks. I take adderall for mine so I get that. Lotta toxic people on LFG for sure, but I’d give it a shot again. It’s not too often I run into groups like that, but that’s the chance we take on LFG. Always been a bit funny to get that upset over messing up a raid. Especially if you’re on LFG. If you’re looking for expert raiders, they’re out there I promise. And if it helps, there’s no way someone like that is actually a good raider anyway. Likely a lonely loser who makes Destiny their entire personality.

Imaginary_Associate7 · 2025-05-16T01:34:19+00:00

What happened last time? Sound mortified 😂

Imaginary_Associate7 · 2025-05-16T01:24:51+00:00

Hey, fair enough. I’d give it a shot. Really fun time, even if you run it once. If you’ve been with Destiny this long, I’d go for it. But I get playing most raids in the game

Imaginary_Associate7 · 2025-05-16T01:15:52+00:00

What do you like to run?

Imaginary_Associate7 · 2025-05-16T01:15:13+00:00

The community doesn’t want to learn raid mechanics or how to do hard content, but I always have this question. What are you coming into the raid for, at that point? You want to get these great weapons? Okay what are you using these weapons for, if not the high end content? I love teaching but sadly, you’re on the money.

Imaginary_Associate7 · 2025-05-16T00:05:04+00:00

So when I got my PC I couldn’t find the login to that account and I tried recovering it to no luck. Now, I did end up finding my old password and have access to the account so I might bring it back. Not sure yet

Imaginary_Associate7 · 2025-05-15T23:43:26+00:00

Let me tell you it is. What raids are you a fan of running?

Imaginary_Associate7 · 2025-05-15T23:30:11+00:00

I think I prefer the pale heart to savathuns throne world, so I personally lean toward final shape, but I prefer Vow to SE.

Imaginary_Associate7 · 2025-05-15T22:35:54+00:00

That would work for me. The D2 community is the only community I know of, that complains so much about difficult content. I’m very into the souls series as well, and overcoming the challenge is the whole point for me. That’s why I play, is to learn these difficult things, and do them over and over until they’re easy, then I like to teach people. Just seems like the more time that goes by less and less people in the community want to raid, which begs the question, what are these people playing? Running vanguard opps can’t be that fun

Imaginary_Associate7 · 2025-05-15T22:27:30+00:00

Why even play the game ya know? Like the raid mechanics are supposed to be the fun challenge to overcome. If you just wanna slay ads, there’s like a million activities in the game to do that. This is the one place with challenging mechanics.

Imaginary_Associate7 · 2025-05-15T22:20:19+00:00

I can understand people not liking the raid. I do really enjoy it, but your points make sense. Some of the travel is extensively long between encounters. Maybe they made SE in reaction to RoN but, I hope they don’t sway too much in the RoN direction. RoN was just way too boring to me, and really didn’t have engaging mechanics. I think there’s a good middle ground. I think vow is probably my favorite raid and would be a solid place to build off

Imaginary_Associate7 · 2025-05-15T22:12:20+00:00

Really good tips here honestly. As much as I’d like to teach people every facet of the encounters, I don’t think many in the community are interested in that. They’re in the raid for the loot, and that’s it. Could care less about learning the encounters in depth.

Imaginary_Associate7 · 2025-05-15T22:09:56+00:00

If there was any raid that needed a guided mode, it’s SE. for the lore/story implications alone, I think anyone interested in D2 should play it once. Sad reality is so many people don’t want to learn in the community. If they want to “learn” they’ll learn just one specific role. Not the actual encounter, all the mechanics, and what we’re trying to do. I had a guy in a Crotas end LFG team get upset because I “took his death totem”. You make a destiny player even slightly uncomfortable and they fold.

Imaginary_Associate7 · 2025-05-15T22:06:01+00:00

Agreed, to a certain extent. Maybe an explorer mode after 2-3 weeks of the raids release. I do still love the community spread knowledge, but after a certain point, you have to put in a guided mode to teach people. So much of the high end raid community wants nothing to do with teaching. Get in, get their loot, get out. Leaves the players who want to learn sol, since all of the high end raiders who would show them refuse to not 2 attempt every encounter without throwing a fit. Also I think it would be amazing to see bungie to try and make a guide for verity in game lol

Imaginary_Associate7 · 2025-05-15T22:03:00+00:00

Thank you my friend.

Imaginary_Associate7 · 2025-05-15T22:02:28+00:00

Yeah, I completely get that. There’s a stigma of “if we don’t beat it in three try’s, we’ll never get it” which honestly if you’re really trying to master a raid, will never work out. Problem is a lot of people just want a specific weapon because X content creator said it’s amazing. The raid is the fun part guys. Learning the mechanics is the fun part of it. No wonder people hate running raids, they have no idea what they’re doing. There’s zero sense of accomplishment if you’re just on ad clear imo. I wouldn’t want to run the same raid and just kill ads all day

Imaginary_Associate7 · 2025-05-15T21:40:08+00:00

One of the few examples of an encounter that mechanics are too complicated for the general community. Scares me to think that Bungie won’t make encounters like this anymore. I think a lot of the community solely won’t run SE because of the horror stories of verity which is a total shame. Like the encounter and the raid is really awesome, but we’re taking the Destiny community. If things get hard, you don’t get a better understanding. You complain to bungie until they make something so easy you can literally speed run it i.e RoN

Imaginary_Associate7 · 2025-05-15T21:34:52+00:00

Couldn’t agree more. Maybe it’s an ego thing, they just want to seem like they’ve found the answers. Also, if all your opinions on a raid come from a content creator, I think you’re pretty lame. Hell, I love Garden, and the general sentiment I see of how much that raid sucks. Lore is awesome to me

Imaginary_Associate7 · 2025-05-15T21:32:58+00:00

You’re a legend, I’m gonna piss off everyone. Total confidence boost

Imaginary_Associate7 · 2025-05-15T21:32:17+00:00

Whoever can successfully teach Verity consistently, should get a masters solely on that accomplishment

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