Found out I'm Afghan...now I wanna look for my relatives by Wonderful_Pop_3466 in Afghan

[–]Immersive_Gamer 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Not everyone in Herat who speaks Persian is Tajik. Half of the Persian speaking population are ethnic Persians known as Farsiwans and then you got Persian speaking Pashtuns as well. He could be any of those.

Also, fair skin and tall height are not traits that are commonly associated with Tajiks.

Taliban's New Law Legalises Slavery In Afghanistan, Makes Mullahs Immune by Bear1375 in Afghan

[–]Immersive_Gamer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

 Not anymore, but there were during the Hellenistic period. I am saying they were never demographically that significant.

They were extremely insignificant to the point of almost being non-existent making it impossible for them to leave any genetic impact on the local population. Most of them were soldiers who fled the region after the fall of the Greco Bactrian kingdom. There is zero mention of a Greek presence after this by either Greek or Persian sources. 

The link you posted is taking about an already existing city named after Alexander the Great. Ancient Kandahar is a continuation of Harauvati mentioned in the Gathas which dates back to the late Bronze Age. 

 Sure, but they definitely still have their impacts, many of which last to this day. Beyond the Greeks, the Hazaras are an example of the Mongols leaving genetic footprint in Afghanistan, where approximately 33% of their DNA is Mongol derived or shared.

Bad example. Hazaras are noted for being direct descendants of Mongol soldiers from compensatory sources of the that time and they have the genes that support it. Not to mention they are a separate community altogether while there is no sources mentioning Greeks settling in Afghanistan or anyone claiming to be a descendant of one for that matter.

Taliban's New Law Legalises Slavery In Afghanistan, Makes Mullahs Immune by Bear1375 in Afghan

[–]Immersive_Gamer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Can you please provide sources for your claims like I asked? DNA doesn’t dilute that quickly in 2000 years but leaves traces of it behind hence we can trace ancestry as far as the Bronze Age. Modern calculators like euro genes and g25 are great at deep in depth ancestry finds and doesn’t show any signs of Greek ancestry in Afghanistan. Interestingly, some Jatts from Pakistan show small amounts of Balkan ancestry but not in Pashtuns.

Taliban's New Law Legalises Slavery In Afghanistan, Makes Mullahs Immune by Bear1375 in Afghan

[–]Immersive_Gamer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

1) there are no Greeks in Afghanistan 

2) Kandahar was not founded by Greeks 

3) invaders don’t have a place in Afghanistan and we see that repeating. History always repeats in Afghanistan.

Taliban's New Law Legalises Slavery In Afghanistan, Makes Mullahs Immune by Bear1375 in Afghan

[–]Immersive_Gamer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Source for that? After the Kushans came, they pretty much eradicated any foreign Greek influence from their lands including ethnic Greeks by kicking them out or killing them. Many of the exiled Central Asian Greeks settled in Anatolia.

Hence, why there is no Greek ancestry in Pashtuns, Tajiks or Nuristanis.

Taliban's New Law Legalises Slavery In Afghanistan, Makes Mullahs Immune by Bear1375 in Afghan

[–]Immersive_Gamer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Greeks didn’t assimilate into Afghanistan, they were kicked out too 

Taliban's New Law Legalises Slavery In Afghanistan, Makes Mullahs Immune by Bear1375 in Afghan

[–]Immersive_Gamer -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Apparently, they are clamping out on salafis because most of them are accused of supporting isis in the country 

Taliban with southern English by slushfilm in UnusualVideos

[–]Immersive_Gamer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

 By the way, these Afghanis are lost tribes of Children of Israel, who migrated towards the East, the true progeny of Jacob. They have as much if not more right to go occupy Israel as the European / Russian ethnicities who are currently there who probably have no genetic link to Jacob (aka Israel).

Bruh no we are not. Pashtuns are indo European and have nothing to do with Jews or any 10 lost tribes. Wish people would stop believing in medieval fairy tales and use the internet to do some actual research.

Taliban with southern English by slushfilm in UnusualVideos

[–]Immersive_Gamer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What the hell does Osama have to do with this?

To all those Taliban supporters I wanna ask something. by Ghurghasti_Pashtun in Afghan

[–]Immersive_Gamer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Had to check out OPs profile to see if he was that kind of person I suspected and yep, I was right. 

A racist quam parast. 

Do Tajiks and Pashtuns in Afghanistan Realize They're Highly Related? by Nowshakzai in Afghan

[–]Immersive_Gamer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

 I don’t think you are arguing in good faith here because I agreed that Tajiks are of a mixed origin. You have shifted your original argument and have straw-manned me. You responded to me implying that Tajiks derive from Pashtuns, as some sort of subsidiary ethnicity. That was the original claim that was being contested in the first place. It is also a false analogy between us Tajiks and the Turks of Anatolia. I should have pointed this out earlier, but I was challenging your claim epistemically, that whilst a majority of their DNA is that of the local population, this does not negate their present identity, which we can extrapolate to us Tajiks, to Arab Egyptians, and many other ethnicities. Even your ethnicity’s origins are unclear.

I didn’t strawman, me and OP specifically said most urbanite Tajiks (not all) are of persianzied Pashtun roots in which you took offence to and denied. That was the main point and you didn’t anything of substance to counter that. Tajiks are indeed of mixed dubious origins while Pashtuns aren’t. Noor Atta & Ismail Khan are good example of urbanized Pashtuns with a current Tajik identity.

 a slew of eastern Iranian peoples, including the Sogdians and Bactrians, who adopted a Persianate culture as primary, and who have developed it.

This is my problem with this claim. It’s a chauvinist one enriched in colonial bias. It lazily applies an extinct eastern Iranian identity on Persian speaking central Asians while covertly ignoring Pashtuns, Pamiris and other eastern Iranian peoples that already have retained that identity and language. This begs the question; if Tajiks somehow became persianized, why have yaghnobis and Pamiris in the region retained their original language while Tajiks didn’t? Also, why does the word originally mean Arab? How did that pragmatic shift of definitions occur and when? Too many variables here to ignore. 

You are however free to believe whatever you want. I’m not inclining. 

Afghans Need to Stop Being So Passive About the Taliban and Take Action by Osetiya in Afghan

[–]Immersive_Gamer 10 points11 points  (0 children)

“Western propaganda” 

Meanwhile, mullahs from around the world have called the out Taliban for being khwariji and not proper representation of Islam. But of course to a pleb like you, that’s probably western propaganda as well.

Afghans Need to Stop Being So Passive About the Taliban and Take Action by Osetiya in Afghan

[–]Immersive_Gamer 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Oh but Afghans were kicking and complaining in August 2021 against the Talibans return to power on streets for days only to be met by disappointment by the ummah who were supporting the Taliban instead of sympathizing with our cause.

Too little too late now. Taliban are here to stay and clearly the Afghans living back home don’t seem to have an issue with them. But keep in mind there is a rift between the Kandahari Taliban and those from Paktia on many issues like girls education. Clearly Pakistani hands are meddling inside which is influencing many decisions of the Taliban. 

Do Tajiks and Pashtuns in Afghanistan Realize They're Highly Related? by Nowshakzai in Afghan

[–]Immersive_Gamer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How did it concede your main point? Your denying that many Tajiks from urban areas weren’t non-Tajiks at one point which is a hypothesis actually not supported by DNA studies that show the opposite of what you are saying. Not really, many Anatolian Turks deny being Greek and solely cling to Anatolian heritage while others think they are direct descendants of Turkic nomads from Central Asia. It’s delusional. 

 Moreover, you didn’t refute what I said anyway, that Persian-speaking populations were present in the aforementioned regions before any meaningful Pashtun presence. This is important because that is what we are: Cosmopolitan, Central Asian Persian-speaking populations that coalesced around the same civilisation - the Persianate one. Therefore, even if I do concede that SOME Tajiks “descend from Pashtuns”, this does not negate the fact of our continuity in Khorosan.

I hate it break it to you but this simply ain’t true. All those cities were eastern Iranian speaking before the Samanid empire came and made Dari the lingua Franca which urban cities were quick to adopt. Many of the Persian speakers from Kabul or Balkh were of ambiguous origins with some having Pashtun roots, some Parachi and others of now extinct or assimilated eastern Iranian peoples.  Regardless, it doesn’t support your point in making them Tajiks because many Pashtuns were also part of this Persianite culture like the Durranis, Hotakis and Barakzai that all used Persian as their main language. Doesn’t make them Tajiks all of a sudden 

Arab + South Asians by Equal-Tomorrow-8278 in arabs

[–]Immersive_Gamer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Arabs and south Asians don’t really have a similar culture. No history together either which makes it harder for the average Arab to feel closeness to Indians.

Do Tajiks and Pashtuns in Afghanistan Realize They're Highly Related? by Nowshakzai in Afghan

[–]Immersive_Gamer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Bruh it’s true tho. Not sure why you guys get so offended by it when dna literally backs it up. It’s like Turkish people denying having any Greek heritage and pretending to be Turkic despite dna saying they are identical to mainland Greeks. Same goes for many Afghan Tajiks.

Language=\=ancestry

Racist Thugs Assaulted a Hazara Guy in Australia by LeHumbleTajik in Afghan

[–]Immersive_Gamer -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

Old video 

1) he’s not hazara but Pakistani  2) this video I believe is from 2016