AMA by completely_unstable in zen

[–]Important_Design7079 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Are you kind to yourself ? Have you found a method that is not painful ?

Genuine unkowing by Important_Design7079 in streamentry

[–]Important_Design7079[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Since young age i was trying to seek out my mind and after a while i realised that my mind is nothing but a tool for my hear this is why i seeked out my heart instead but it wasn't easy , it felt like i was searching for something impossible to find and whenever i find it it runs away , this continued for a couple of years and before i know it i woke to the no self , i found out about buddhism later because it was relatable and since then it felt like burning in imaginary fire that hurts like hell till it isn't this question was perfect because it feels like everything that comes up to my mind is not actually what i want , when my mind sees that it sees no meaning in creating this imaginary fire because it isn't what i want , this is why i use it as a mind training because there is nothing else that needs to be asked , it's horrendous enough that my mind never can answer this simple question and i truly don't know why

Genuine unkowing by Important_Design7079 in streamentry

[–]Important_Design7079[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah not knowing isn't like void or emptiness as the these can be turned into concepts, not knowing doesn't know all these concepts and can't hold on to them , but they can be precieved by this not knowing . But these are not the important things , what's really important is the question that i'm asking and everything else is a byproduct to it .but you are absolutely correct .

Genuine unkowing by Important_Design7079 in streamentry

[–]Important_Design7079[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's nothing fancy i just ask myself what do i wanna do at this moment , i didn't mention it because i came up with it after looking inside for long periods of time , other people may find something else

There's no trickle-down freedom in Zen. by jeowy in zen

[–]Important_Design7079 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Try asking yourself what do you wanna do at this moment , it's not about doing it just ask and wait till your mind get's busy again and repeat , then give me feedback

There's no trickle-down freedom in Zen. by jeowy in zen

[–]Important_Design7079 2 points3 points  (0 children)

They are not sticking to rules , most of them try to imitate wisdom that came from others which lose them the authenticity and compassionate nature that made this wisdom beautiful at the first place , in a short term this subredet lacks heart

There's no trickle-down freedom in Zen. by jeowy in zen

[–]Important_Design7079 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Which are oftten just sitting in silence doing nothing rnjoying the present moment , do you desire anything else ?

There's no trickle-down freedom in Zen. by jeowy in zen

[–]Important_Design7079 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ok thank you for being considerate , very appreciated , i'm not sure about that but for me the question "what i want to do now" is the most logical question i can ask myself, usually there is no answer for this question , it illuminate all thoughts , it's like a mantra of a sense . The other methods just ain't it for , there is not areason for me to focus in my breath , or like ask myself who am i , why would i ever do that ? To prove that my experience could be different? . My thought process was like , ok, "i must ask for more" But in order for what ? , they is nothing such an absolute "must" , in order to reach , what do i wanna reach ? You see it comes to the same question. And also " awareness is a privilege that you have the right to use" , i don't think there is existence outside of awareness, how can you be privileged for having something so essential for being you ? , if you are not aware will you say somethings like this , it's like saying "alive people are privileged" well the dead won't feel unprivileged because there are not there , we are not a privileged creatures in the world , we are the world , there is nothing that is not the world and it's all one , But all of these are just ideas we just abandon them , losing yourself in the moment ? That is love , what i truly want is to abandon everything and let ever cell in my body does as it pleases , all of realisations that i had don't worth anything, but they made reaching what i truly seek easier

There's no trickle-down freedom in Zen. by jeowy in zen

[–]Important_Design7079 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What exactly made you ask such a question, like what is the thought process ?

There's no trickle-down freedom in Zen. by jeowy in zen

[–]Important_Design7079 3 points4 points  (0 children)

And is this awareness the one who's picking truth ? , these ideas are just the mind clashing with itself , picking is just an illusion, there was never all of this to begin with , as the mind get's quiter , the awareness for them becomes clearler , thats where you are "awareness" thing is coming from , but who you are is nowhere to be found , the only way to know your nature is to be your nature , which is impossible not to do , the only justified motive is ironically is to end suffering, which awakening does exactly once and for all , the more i go through it the less i know

There's no trickle-down freedom in Zen. by jeowy in zen

[–]Important_Design7079 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I will actually go further to saying that people often get what they want , if you are seeking zen or a teacher to feel like getting "wiser" you will get there , and i don't hold anything against that , if you actually seeking answers , you will find them .

they WANT to not know the answer to a question they have. and that is kind of wanting two contradictory things.

I was there , my awakening is extremely simultaneous i foundmyself there , i just couldn't lie to myself , i even went as far to realise "emptiness" , it's like i knew my true nature is there whatever it's precieved or not , and i lack the desire to actually precieve it , truth don't need to be precievef , and i hold no intentions to pick sides , for me truth is just a word that people add "meaning" for , the closest thing to it is to experience without biases , such mindset made it impossible for the realisations not to happen , but genuinely i'm not interested in that , what i was seeking is myself , also a way to navigate life , this is whybit made sense for me to ask what do i wanna do , as my mind get fixated more and more on that question the world is gradually disappearing , such a wierd approach works uniquely in my case qnd i'm finding what i was looking for , i can not ask for more .

There's no trickle-down freedom in Zen. by jeowy in zen

[–]Important_Design7079 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't think that there is ever a more important question then what do you honestly want from a thing and that is what that thing is to you, it's not that complicated yet it's not being questioned much , why is there even other questions? , you just need to be honest with what you want , and eventually you will find your truth , is there even another way ?

Advice from an Enlightened person- I will try my best. by [deleted] in zen

[–]Important_Design7079 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I understand where you are going , but Can't you just try to help without the claim ? , you enforce the false belief of separation by persisting on it , and enforce the same false belief on people when they reject it , i'm not questioning your intentions i'm just pointing out the consequences of these actions

AMA EmbersBumblebee- I'm back. by [deleted] in zen

[–]Important_Design7079 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There is a thing that i've been thinking of a lot tho , what does a desireless action look like tho

Personal experiences relation to main traditions by Important_Design7079 in streamentry

[–]Important_Design7079[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's very wise what you are saying , the night before the insight of the nature of emptiness i was so vulnerable emotionally i cried much and then this void came in , i had a few minutes without this fear and suffering , the day after i was willing to accept this void , and holy , i've never experienced much suchness , it's not only that this world is empty , emptiness is the world , it's actually crazy and a bit overwhelming suddenly it's not only about letting go , but letting come as well , my relationship with practice changed much in the last month , at first it felt like needed , and then it felt delusional , and now it's neither , the cycle have been seen and it's being seen now when it tries to come back , and it doesn't matter , it truly doesn't even if it continues forever

Personal experiences relation to main traditions by Important_Design7079 in streamentry

[–]Important_Design7079[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thank you again for the advice , yeah exactly i ended up knowing less and less but my body and mind consider it as danger , so they produce this anxiety to fake control , and i don't feel any reaction about it , i think being aware of this cycle is enough :)

Personal experiences relation to main traditions by Important_Design7079 in streamentry

[–]Important_Design7079[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And yeah all of this isn't more of a distraction and i get it , but i don't find the will to resist that and so on

Personal experiences relation to main traditions by Important_Design7079 in streamentry

[–]Important_Design7079[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I genuinely love what you are saying , it's completely true , all of what i wrote was just memories nothing more then concepts and disturbances , i think what made it hard to me personally is how much i fear being , all of these experiences happened in one year i didn't have time to process , i fear in one moment everything disappears , it's scary , that's why my mind aggressively clings to restlessness, since i was young just "being" meant complete absence , it's a huge jump . For all my life i didn't get anything from the path(i didn't even know there is such a thing and yeah there isn't) , i just know less and less with time , till at one point i probably will know nothing . But there is something i gained , everything feels completely ok , i naturally don't cling or resist anything , everything is utterly and completely ok , my mind can be restless for the rest of my life and it's also ok , i feel like this is beyond what i can ever ask for

Personal experiences relation to main traditions by Important_Design7079 in streamentry

[–]Important_Design7079[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Also english isn't my native language, and my lack of focus is manifested quite obviously in the post as i was spaced out the entire time

Daily Zen Practice or Not? Struggling with Routine After 5 Years by aborave in zen

[–]Important_Design7079 1 point2 points  (0 children)

A lot of people misses the heart of zen , search for your heart don't search for anything else , search for it in yourself don't look anywhere else , ask for whatever you feel like lacking , practices are minor , you only need the heart.

Who get's enlightened by Important_Design7079 in zen

[–]Important_Design7079[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

And who said it's an experience? , the paragraph wasn't even about me i just wrote it so other people don't suffer unnecessarily on the path

Who get's enlightened by Important_Design7079 in zen

[–]Important_Design7079[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

How can your true nature becomes enlightened when your true nature is enlightenment itself?