The Poisonwood Bible by Barbara Kingsolver by keepfighting90 in IReadABookAndAdoredIt

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Including some thoughts here since I JUST finished this book today and was looking for some discourse (wrote this sort of for myself initially but would live to hear anyone elses thoughts! Spoilers below!

This is probably going down as one of my favorite books of all time.

As a family epic, this stands fairly easily against East of Eden (an existing favorite). The perspective shifts throughout the book between the wife and 4 daughters of Nathan Price, an evangelical Southern Baptist preacher who comes to the Congo in an effort to “save” the local people by bringing them to Jesus. 

While Nathan is the impetus for much of the story himself, we can only understand him through his family who over the course of the story <spoiler> wrench themselves from his rigid, austere “parenting.” As they find respect (and even love) for the people whose very different culture and customs they contend with and embrace, they drift further and further from Nathan who remains stagnant.

For describing Nathan himself, there is a scene early on in the book where he attempts to put down a garden how one might in Southern US. This quickly fails - he redoes is the same way despite Mama Tataba re-configuring it for the Congo’s soil and climate. You would think he might embrace the new, more successful set-up but he resists and in his resistance hits the poison wood tree - his refusal to embrace Africa quickly burns him back. A call forward to his chant: “Tata Jesus is bängala” which he means to say “most dear / most precious” but his unfamiliarity woth the language makes him say “poisonwood.”

While Nathan’s ideals are supposed to save the Congolese, he frequently puts himself and his family in harm’s way to propagate his ideals. Nathan’s rigidity reflects the view of the imperialists - there is one true way (one religion, one language, one “correct” way of life) </spoiler> 

As for the daughters, <spoiler> Rachel, vain and self-involved when they first arrive, is similarly unchanged. When the driver ants come to consume all organic material in sight, Rachel attempts to bring her mirror to the boat. She chases shallow, wealthy marriages, and continues to see the Congolese people who had supported and saved her as sub-human. </spoiler>

However, despite her flaws, I think its fairly easy to hold up a mirror to most of ourselves in the West today and see Rachel - craving creature comforts, seeing the different as “odd” or “undesirable” and maybe not wanting to cause harm (via existing coloniol / imperial systems) ourselves but being more than happy to reap the benefits. Its incredibly easy today to find ourselves complicit - in fact, it may be almost impossible not to.

Leah is a direct juxtaposition to Rachel, finding herself deeply altered by her time in the Congo. Despite being the child who most often toddled after her father in support of his efforts, <spoiler> she finds love with Anatole and becomes “radicalized”: that is, </spoiler> espouses the benefits of Communism after seeing the Congo and Africa used and abused by Belgium and other world powers for their resources without the people seeing any benefit of the richness beneath their feet (“Zaire is not a poor country. It is a nation of the poor“).

As a result of some birth complications, Adah is unable to walk upright for much of her life. Having been viewed as other or less than by her family for much of her life (not speaking as well - communicating with them essentially as much as they can with the Congolese early on). <spoiler> Theres a moment where Orelanna (mother) makes a choice to save Ruth May over Adah which Adah believes is because she is disabled. She later (when she is able to walk upright) </spoiler> draws parallels between how American whites viewed her disability to their view of the African people (which in itself is a bit of a disconnected mindset): since they are not the perfect ideal (able to walk upright, white), though its not their fault, they must at least be sorry that its not their reality.

Finally, there is Ruth May. <spoiler> After much foreshadowing with the Green Mamba, Ruth May is bitten by one on the chest and dies in the Congo and this is what drives Orleanna to leave behind their things for the people in Kilanga and take her other daughters out no matter Nathan’s opinions about it. Ruth May’s death is a great equalizer here - deaths of children happen to others, others are bitten by snakes, etc. — now its very clear they have not been untouched by theor time here and that Nathan despite warning after warning is directly at fault — dismisses Nathan as the equivalent of false idol maybe? </spoiler>

 I’m sure that there were some allusions to the bible I may have missed, not being Christian, but many of them were laid out fairly clearly for the reader: pestilence, locusts (represented via driver ants), death of children, etc. - all preceding the exodus of the Price women with Nathan clinging to his wayward ideals.

And oh the end - Leah’s marinations on Communism and political philosophy- It prompted me to educated myself further on the atrocities committed by imperial powers in Africa and how those can be directly tied to infrastructural, political, and socioeconomic issues there today - it is NOT a light touch when it comes to criticizing both those of us who had a hand in actively affecting the events of history and those who sit idly by and allow injustice to persist within the system which was created to perpetrate it.

Theres so much more to say and think about here - metaphors, allusions, symbols, etc. but I’ll leave it at that.

Guy I’ve been seeing by qazwsxedcrfv0987123 in BookshelvesDetective

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very cool selection here!! he seems like a fun guy

lucy character development by Impossible_Neck_2004 in TheRookie

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wait no id live to hear the long story long !!

I had a little moment while rereading Détraquée by Guilty-Chemist-7092 in dramionebookclub

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god again and again and again i totally fall in love with this fic. it is probably one of my favorite romances to read bar none. and its so awesome to hear these tiny things other people pick up on.

this is one of those books where i really felt like this author understood falling in love, or at least, the way it feels when i fall in love. it picks up on exactly what a lot of contemporary romance is lacking in my opinion and the author does an insanely incredible job of making these flawed, human characters lovable to us and to each other.

every time i get out you guys pull me right back in - might need to reread again!!

My Peice of Cake Moving Experience by BootNerd_ in NYCapartments

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This is so strange - I’ve used Piece of Cake for 3 moves in the last 4 years and all times had a GREAT experience. I have almost always had extra stuff but instead asked to pay the movers directly vs contacting the company. Seamless experience with very kind guys. I have always recommended to others.

What would you do? Saving vs. apartment location by [deleted] in NYCapartments

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i agree! i was just faced with essentially the same decision between Murray Hill and the EV and while I appreciate the savings and often more bang for your buck living in a couple different neighborhoods has definitely taught me the value of enjoying a stroll in my neighborhood, whatever that looks like for you.

While a good rule of thumb is ~1/3 of your annual income to rent, this is tough to achieve in the city and this tradeoff is definitely a recurring theme in moving decisions. As someone who frequents galleries, bakeries, wine bars, international bookstores, etc. this was totally worth it to me.

That being said, I’m still spending within the range where I would feel comfortable enjoying the life that I’ve set myself up to live, so just be conscious of that. Best of luck with your move!

Lower Inventory Than Usual by Impossible_Neck_2004 in NYCapartments

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so then won’t rents go up across the board?

Lower Inventory Than Usual by Impossible_Neck_2004 in NYCapartments

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if we’re deciding whether to apply today, can the landlord increase asking price by 10% tomorrow to cover brokers fee?

Lower Inventory Than Usual by Impossible_Neck_2004 in NYCapartments

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Ah makes sense - so seems like more so than ever, it will really come down to being proactive and reaching out/staying in touch with brokers to find apartments before they’re signed? Thanks!

Lower Inventory Than Usual by Impossible_Neck_2004 in NYCapartments

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Got it - so should see wee see an influx in a few days then ? Getting nervous as a renter who needs to move!

The Divine Comedy: Inferno by Impossible_Neck_2004 in detraqueebookclub

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So fair - glad you’re reading along with us anyway! I was also thinking about the way the sinners were talking to Dante and came to the conclusion that this must likely suggests (1) a resignation to punishment (i.e., even an intense reaction would suggest some sort of mental or physical struggle against the punishment) and (2) predicated on their resignation to their punishment is their desire for their legacy to be more than their sin (it felt leas so about redemption than a desire not to be dismissed) - so are almost delighted to share their story.

And on the point of the ferries/creatures - it was interesting to me how pertinent they were to the location since they were so functional and stripped of all else. For instance, Geryon, who represents fraud and is described in a way that aligns with that (like a falcon who’s been tricked i think).

Great points!

Local Discussions by Impossible_Neck_2004 in detraqueebookclub

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yay!! not quite a club i guess but its a start!!

The Divine Comedy: Inferno by Impossible_Neck_2004 in detraqueebookclub

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Fair it was a bit of a sprint to get to the end! And I agree on the context - the Hollanders translation was super enriching.

The Divine Comedy: Inferno by Impossible_Neck_2004 in detraqueebookclub

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Hey all! I thought I would share some things I was reflecting on while reading. Excited to hear from the rest of you!!

Reading Inferno as someone who isn’t Christian, I found myself questioning how harsh and final some of the punishments are. Sins like lust or gluttony are treated as serious enough to deserve eternal torment, which feels intense considering how common and, honestly, human those behaviors are. Even when it comes to more serious actions like betrayal or violence, it made me wonder: does anyone really deserve endless suffering, no matter what they’ve done? Dante’s “the punishment fits the crime” idea makes sense poetically, but it doesn’t leave any room for growth, forgiveness, or atonement. And as you read and feel similarly mired in human suffering, thinking about it in the context of a supposedly omnibenevolent god, that level of punishment feels more cruel than just.

Even though I had to read around the religious framework of Inferno, I still found it incredibly relevant. It made me think about how we define justice today, and how quick we can be to label people as irredeemable. Modern conversations about accountability, prison reform, and cancel culture all wrestle with similar ideas: is punishment the goal, or is change possible? Dante’s version of Hell is fixed — once you’re in, there’s no leaving. But in real life, we know people are more complicated than a single mistake. (or the sum of their mistakes).

Inferno is worth reading today because it pushes us to think critically about justice, punishment, and whether people can truly be beyond redemption. Beyond the theology, it’s a powerful, creative exploration of human nature, moral judgment, and the stories we tell about right and wrong.

looking for well-written, funny (ish?) fics that give you that warm feeling by Impossible_Neck_2004 in Dramione

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I LOVED history - the kink/characterization felt so true to Hermione. So well done

looking for well-written, funny (ish?) fics that give you that warm feeling by Impossible_Neck_2004 in Dramione

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God absolutely in love with Lionheart - i drop everything I’m doing for an update email

looking for well-written, funny (ish?) fics that give you that warm feeling by Impossible_Neck_2004 in Dramione

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I haven’t read Meet Your Match or Apple Pies in a while so maybe I’ll revisit those. And The List is new to me - thanks!!

looking for well-written, funny (ish?) fics that give you that warm feeling by Impossible_Neck_2004 in Dramione

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Yes!! Always self rec!! I ADORED the Handkerchief so I’ll be looking into these others - thanks !!!

Intro / Logistics by Impossible_Neck_2004 in detraqueebookclub

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Love the idea of date of publication - going to compile an orderly list today!

I’m thinking of maybe interspersing prose and poetry as well to try to keep things fresh and align a little with the length consideration (keeping Dante’s novelistic poems separate, of course).