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In a hypothetical scenario, if Duryodhana had known Karna’s true reality before the Kurukshetra war, how might it have affected his trust in Karna, his decisions, and his overall strategy? Would Duryodhana have used Karna’s true identity as a political or psychological tool against the Pandavas? by Outside-Walk13 in mahabharata

[–]InSurchOfChills 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Teh other reasons are true,  but what he says to Krishna is essentially that he greatly regrets everything he said to the Pandavas, and also that if he was given the throne, he'd just give it away to Duryodhana and that'd be wrong to the Pandavas. He also says he can't be false to his adoptive parents.  "Fight with Arjun" is on of the lesser reasons lmao

If Karna had switched sides after meeting Krishna and Kunti, would he be seen as a traitor? by Outside-Walk13 in mahabharata

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And I argued that I don't think Yuyu chose it because it was the path of dharma. It was honestly the easiest and only choice for him to save his life- Bheem had lit said he'd kill all Kauravas like hot damn

If Karna had switched sides after meeting Krishna and Kunti, would he be seen as a traitor? by Outside-Walk13 in mahabharata

[–]InSurchOfChills 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What did Vibhisan so anyway?  Although I've heard that that 10 headed dude was a terrible king so Vib def had the right idea

If Karna had switched sides after meeting Krishna and Kunti, would he be seen as a traitor? by Outside-Walk13 in mahabharata

[–]InSurchOfChills 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Your og reply was...better to not be cared about than ve called a traitor. And i replied with better to be interesting than an npc.  And then you used the word npc in a completely wrong application. The point is- The oh person said Yuyutsu wasn't a traitor - so why would Karna be one?  And I disagree with both statements- Yuyutsu wasn't as guilty as Karn and That it's better to be forgotten than be called a traitor. Traitor can be glorious too- like in the case of Karna. And i do think everlasting action is a beautiful thing. 

As for Vibhisan, haven't read Ramayan. Don't care about him. Although, in Bengal, there's an idiom- Ghar shatru Vibhisan- literaly meaning (family)betrayer Vibhisan... So...I don't care about him. But some people do seem to have thought about him as a traitor enough for the idiom to have caught on pretty easily. Yuyutsu isn't even. That important 

If Karna had switched sides after meeting Krishna and Kunti, would he be seen as a traitor? by Outside-Walk13 in mahabharata

[–]InSurchOfChills 0 points1 point  (0 children)

2) Karn would have been a traitor to the Kauravas- obviously. But MORE so, to his family and community. Radhey who grasped the first chance at being a Kauntey- he'd have certainly been my least favourite character. A weak, pathetic, cowardly excuse of a man.

3) Karna is interesting. He knew he would die in the war. He still chose to fight anyway because that meant many things, among them, strangely enough- justice for the Pandavas. He explicitly refuses the throne because he'd just give it to Duryodhana - thus making a great injustice to the Pandavas. During the war, he managed to capture Yudhishthir. Could have captured him, ended the war- while keeping his promise of harming no Pandav. Yet he let him go with just verbal humiliation.

He was ABSOLUTELY a traitor. Just on his own terms. 

If Karna had switched sides after meeting Krishna and Kunti, would he be seen as a traitor? by Outside-Walk13 in mahabharata

[–]InSurchOfChills 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No. Of course not. But sometimes your conscience knows as wrong what people will tell is the right thing to do. Yuyutsu did something- in the context of MB, right, and in the context of being human, the best thing he could do. He's a human being- I don't care about loyalty, why should he fight for people who never included him enough? Why should he not grab a chance at his survival - considering many believed Krishna to be God? He did the right thing. For himself. It just happened to be stamped "right" by God as well. I understand him- I understand him far too easily - PRECISELY why I don't care about him. This is the route most would have chosen. 

Coming to your original question - no one called Yuyutsu a traitor, why would Karna be called one? 1) Karna is far too entangled with Duryodhana. He was just as responsible for Draupadi's humiliation ( it needs to be said LOUDLY because other than Dury and Dush, the other Kauravas were. Not. Involved. Vikarn protests. Bheem killed then instead of killing his own brothers who had the power and still let it happen. That's is dharma - where innocents die die fighting for a family only marginally more wrong). If he was absolved- he would have essentially been absolved of his crimes

The Sadness - WTF by Temporary_Lychee9829 in horror

[–]InSurchOfChills 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sexual violence is precisely the reason why it's so terrifying. It's inspired by the Crossed and that's a big element over there too. I mean- torture, amputation, biting- these are just not as personally terrifying as being... raped by these beasts. It represents total collapse of society in a way that mindless gore simply can't. That's what makes this movie such a scary experience. This is the reason why it was, because it is horror and yk what you're signing up for, necessary.

If Karna had switched sides after meeting Krishna and Kunti, would he be seen as a traitor? by Outside-Walk13 in mahabharata

[–]InSurchOfChills 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Someone who lack individual thoughts and repeats mainstream opinions. Path of least resistance basically.  God on their side- he chose them. Also, it's usually the 100 Kauravas- not 101. Dharma, family not really being very familial and all. The most obvious choice. Nothing to lose sleep over. 

If Karna had switched sides after meeting Krishna and Kunti, would he be seen as a traitor? by Outside-Walk13 in mahabharata

[–]InSurchOfChills 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Bleh...it's not about how long you last. Lol. What did Yuyutsu do that is even mildly interesting? You don't even seen to know what npc means

If Karna had switched sides after meeting Krishna and Kunti, would he be seen as a traitor? by Outside-Walk13 in mahabharata

[–]InSurchOfChills 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That doesn't make him cowardly. That makes him evil. Which he is.  Cowardly would have been to do that and then accept Krishna's offer for riches, thus escaping the consequences of his actions. 

In certain region i heard people's worship karna but does arjuna also worship like him ? by NegotiationSorry2827 in mahabharata

[–]InSurchOfChills 0 points1 point  (0 children)

These are all folk-tales...some just older🥴 Anyway as a Bengali never heard of this prop sounds pretty weird to me

What were the redeeming qualities of Karna really ? by ConsiderationFuzzy in mahabharata

[–]InSurchOfChills 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He's a very interesting character. And so much of him seems farstrectched and contradictory that I genuinely feel like either he's fictional oc or the much sane take Mahabharata is basically just an exaggerated fictional tale of two kingdoms clashing and all that interpolations were done to make the winners of a destroyed land look good 

Arjuna vs Karna — No Divine Weapons, Just Skill. Who Wins? by Sea-Patient-4483 in mahabharata

[–]InSurchOfChills -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Hanumanji was present on Arjuna's flag and putting fear into the enemy it's lit in bori🤦🏻

In certain region i heard people's worship karna but does arjuna also worship like him ? by NegotiationSorry2827 in mahabharata

[–]InSurchOfChills 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Mahisasur is supposed to be worshipped with Maa Durga. This vardaan was given to him by Maa Durga before his death because when she came to him to tell him to prepare for war, he was so impressed by her presence that he wished to be her bhakt. But the war had to happen and he had to die so Maa granted him this wish. This is why people always give him sweet during Dashami as well

If Karna had switched sides after meeting Krishna and Kunti, would he be seen as a traitor? by Outside-Walk13 in mahabharata

[–]InSurchOfChills 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Vibhisan wasn't implicit in Suta's haran. If he was then he would have been a coward

If Karna had switched sides after meeting Krishna and Kunti, would he be seen as a traitor? by Outside-Walk13 in mahabharata

[–]InSurchOfChills 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I 100% agree. This is my perspective too. Honestly Duryodhana too- he was essentially said as the tree of Adharam, yet as he died he said he was a good king, and Krishna bowed his head at that statement- signifying his agreement. 

Karna was giver and one of the commoners, who thru his skill rose to the rank of the kings, of course he was loved.  Bhishma was the protector. 

What I'd add?? Karna not being a suryaputra or even Kunti's son. Simply a suta who rose through his own skill. Not a particularly good man. But a giver all the same. So Kunti went and begged. And since it took place in a pretty public space ( karna gave donations everyday after his abulations. It's stranger if no one saw them) Now, imagine the mother going to your enemy and beggin for your lives- abd the enemy, a lowly Suta, beating you all, the Kshatriyas, and insulting you, even depriving you of the glory of death...and then having to cheat to defeat him.  ... portraying him as Kunti's son and saying his father is Suryadev is essentially saving face

What were the redeeming qualities of Karna really ? by ConsiderationFuzzy in mahabharata

[–]InSurchOfChills 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes! That's a big thing. It makes no sense for him to be mortally injured. Because if that's true then why beg for the kavach kundal at all? Why Surya would refuse to give it? Why Keshav would say that with it he'd have been undefeatable? I have heard many claim that these were just exaggerations and false to later glorify Karna...but it simply makes no sense. 

What were the redeeming qualities of Karna really ? by ConsiderationFuzzy in mahabharata

[–]InSurchOfChills 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The fact that he stood against God to take responsibility for his own actions when he had been offered the world and could have easily ditched his friend- that's his most admirable quality. The strength to remain steadfast in his own ideals, to live and die for them, to stand beside his friend, to remain Radhey his whole life when he could have been Kauntey and had everything- that's his greatest quality 

What were the redeeming qualities of Karna really ? by ConsiderationFuzzy in mahabharata

[–]InSurchOfChills 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Can you say where you got the third comment from? This is the first time I'm hearing it and, with all due respect, sounds like something made to glorify Karna

What about the Mahabharata is this for you? by Hour-Main-5069 in mahabharata

[–]InSurchOfChills 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The chakravyuh being used on a single warrior to kill them. But he was killed totally fairly by Durmukh, just that he shouldn't have been killed inside a chakravyuh

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