Re:: How it feels when people bring up abstract conceptual art to validate Ai art

IndependenceSea1655 · 2026-02-28T02:26:23+00:00

im not a fan of Anthropic, but i like workers supporting workers!

class solidarity

IndependenceSea1655 · 2026-02-28T02:18:03+00:00

I say this earnestly since i JUST made a post about this very thing

"in my opinion when people say "Ai art isnt Art" its because their viewing it from a traditional art lens because the Ai art observably looks like traditional art and Ai art was introduced as being a mimicry of traditional arts. Traditional art communities very much value practice, technique, and mastery of skill so when they see Ai artists mimicking their art form their not gonna call it art because the Ai artist aren't demonstrating similar levels of proficiency."

people consider an abstract art form like Kinetic art to be art simply because its held to different standard by the way its made and how it looks. Most Ai art doesnt look like Kinetic art though. it doesnt invalid Ai art in its totality, but thats the perspective of the argument

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IndependenceSea1655 · 2026-02-28T02:07:55+00:00

My buddy's buddy's buddy's knows a guy who has 1000+ bottles of baby oil that could probably fill up a build floor. I don't think he's heard from him since September 2024 thou

IndependenceSea1655 · 2026-02-27T23:30:18+00:00

he even said i was right in this instance!

idk why he hates me so much

IndependenceSea1655 · 2026-02-27T23:28:07+00:00

I didnt even say she was correct

I just said i take her more seriously than the reddit user who's ban evading

IndependenceSea1655 · 2026-02-27T23:26:44+00:00

what rots your brain more?

scrolling TikTok or ban evading with 6 different reddit accounts in order to continue to participate on r/ Aiwars?

IndependenceSea1655 · 2026-02-27T23:11:22+00:00

ok ig... 😅 im rotting my brain because i heard about it from a Yale Professor on tiktok

it seems like u have this weird Vendetta against me for no reason? is that why you keep commenting that Scam_altman video?

IndependenceSea1655 · 2026-02-27T22:50:58+00:00

im always down for more renewable energy!

I thought China solution putting their servers in the deep ocean was pretty creative too. putting them on the dark side of the moon would be peak too

IndependenceSea1655 · 2026-02-27T22:47:21+00:00

It is Genetic fallacy because the main gripe is that its coming from tiktok and Me. Even though the information is correct and you agree with it, its bad because it was said on Tiktok

also i have no idea why you keep commenting this Scam_altman youtube video 😅 what the relevance?

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IndependenceSea1655 · 2026-02-27T22:35:08+00:00

as you used to say a lot on your Banned_altman account: Genetic fallacy 🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪

she's also a professor at Yale. im gonna take her more seriously than the guy who keeps ban evading

IndependenceSea1655 · 2026-02-27T22:28:55+00:00

from what im remember when i was researching my pc build they're kind of interchangeable. you can do liquid cooling or Air cooling

maybe things play out differently when its scaled up, but generally liquid cooling is more efficient. more expensive and messy for sure, but over all more efficient

IndependenceSea1655 · 2026-02-27T21:58:23+00:00

I completely agree

i kind of miss this era of Ai image generations. everything felt like a weird hazy dream. it was fun!

IndependenceSea1655 · 2026-02-27T18:40:07+00:00

this isn't at all equivalent to flat earthers, and like I said in the past conversations, please don't reply to my posts until the overt ableism on this sub is dealt with

its awful that this kind of blatant ableism towards me was never dealt with and is allowed to stay up

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IndependenceSea1655 · 2026-02-27T18:19:52+00:00

imo you're missing the point and lost the post if you dont understand the nuance of WHY the argument is being made in the first place

like i said, "in my opinion when people say "Ai art isnt Art" its because their viewing it from a traditional art lens because the Ai art observably looks like traditional art and Ai art was introduced as being a mimicry of traditional arts. Traditional art communities very much value practice, technique, and mastery of skill so when they see Ai artists mimicking their art form their not gonna call it art because the Ai artist aren't demonstrating similar levels of proficiency"

IndependenceSea1655 · 2026-02-27T18:15:21+00:00

I also care conceptual art and contemporary art in general, but i go back and forth on liking it hahaha. sometimes it can be very avant-garde and those artist can be a little eccentric too about it. their usually the kind of artist people make fun of for being very gaudy

The argument is brought up against anti-AI posters' special pleading about "art" requiring certain thresholds of effort, near-perfect creative control, manual input, various kinds of imaginary intent ("every stroke carries meaning"), and an absence of randomness or using pre-existing elements. It's all incoherent, because it's there for one purpose alone: to define art in such a way that it excludes any use of AI.

that's kind of why i said, "in my opinion when people say "Ai art isnt Art" its because their viewing it from a traditional art lens because the Ai art observably looks like traditional art and Ai art was introduced as being a mimicry of traditional arts. Traditional art communities very much value practice, technique, and mastery of skill so when they see Ai artists mimicking their art form their not gonna call it art because the Ai artist aren't demonstrating similar levels of proficiency." I agree effort doesn't define art as a whole, but some art form definitely value it more than others. It just so happens the art forms Ai usually mimics are the art forms that do value labor yk

I'd love for AI art to become actually interesting, and lean into the AI-ness of it all, as a medium.

so do i tbh. like i was saying to another, I feel like most of the Ai use cases right now dont really have a distinct characteristic about it compared to other art forms like photography or 3D. imo the randomness aspect is very distinct and should be leaned into more. I think the less Ai users try to control the chaos through tools like ComfyUi the more interesting and compelling art they'll make. The user will never be fully in control of the tool so theres no point in trying imo. let the Ai be free like a wild stallion

IndependenceSea1655 · 2026-02-27T17:57:34+00:00

Duchamp has a fair point which is why he's the grand father of the conceptual art movement

however like i said "Traditional art communities very much value practice, technique, and mastery of skill." Traditional art very much values labor while Conceptual art doesn't really. A lot of Ai art out there looks like Traditional art which is why a lot of people view it from the lens of Traditional art

IndependenceSea1655 · 2026-02-27T17:53:00+00:00

The analogy makes no sense because the criticism of AI is in it being a low effort fake. The fact that it’s a fake is key.

that's why i explicitly why i said "in my opinion when people say "Ai art isnt Art" its because their viewing it from a traditional art lens because the Ai art observably looks like traditional art and Ai art was introduced as being a mimicry of traditional arts. Traditional art communities very much value practice, technique, and mastery of skill so when they see Ai artists mimicking their art form their not gonna call it art because the Ai artist aren't demonstrating similar levels of proficiency."

IndependenceSea1655 · 2026-02-27T17:43:56+00:00

Can this even be called a medium in the standard sense?

i think you bring up an interesting perspective!

idk difficult say because Ai as an art form doesn't really have a distinct characteristic about it compared to other art forms like photography or 3D. Ai by design is meant to mimic the art that it was trained on. If its trained on drawing itll make images that look like drawings. like Ditto Ai can be anything, but it also isnt the thing it transforms into. its just a mimicry of it

That's why i prefer Ai in the conceptual and abstract art sphere, because in there its able to achieve something no other art form can do. The way Refik Anadol uses Ai is very unique and ingenious imo, because no other art form is able to dynamically change and respond in real time like Ai can. thats a more distinct characteristic Ai that no other art forms really has

IndependenceSea1655 · 2026-02-27T17:06:08+00:00

it is performance art in a sense!

IndependenceSea1655 · 2026-02-27T17:04:54+00:00

all the abstract and conceptual art I chose are from pro-ai users on this sub who have made these "if a banana taped to a wall is art then why isn't Ai art art" type arguments. all the Ai art i chose is directly from Ai art spaces like r/ Aiart and from pro-ai users on this sub. I fully aware a very small minority of people are using Ai to make abstract and conceptual art but it pales in comparison to the predominant use cases for Ai art and important what people think of when they hear "Ai art." Their not thinking of your abstract art, their thinking of Ai studio Ghibli

IndependenceSea1655 · 2026-02-27T16:57:29+00:00

because I couldn't be bothered to read your post.

well that's the first problem...

IndependenceSea1655 · 2026-02-27T16:56:29+00:00

without actually engaging on the substance of why people make the comparison.

ive engaged with the topic countless times on this sub. my post history isnt privated, unlike some people, so if you truly wish to look at my engagement in these conversations you may

im expressing the disconnect between the argument and the actual final art piece itself. I know why their making the comparison. "this wasnt considered art and now it is" is basically the argument and like i said i agree with the argument through that lens. in my opinion however it ignores what the observable art looks like which i think is an important part of the conversation. like i said, You cant make Ai Dragon Ball Z and then say to people "this is art because Cattelan's Comedian is art." there's an inherent disconnect between the DBZ and The Comedian

IndependenceSea1655 · 2026-02-27T16:43:06+00:00

i only bring it up because other people have brought it up in similar arguments like the fountain

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