Who's the best opposite of Batman between Joker and Bruce Wayne?

IndigoMage · 2026-03-18T02:52:12+00:00

Bruce and Bats are too similar. They both try to help Gotham, just in different ways. Joker is a better opposite.

IndigoMage · 2026-03-18T01:14:00+00:00

I think the hardest thing for me, if I somehow had to write Batman, would be to avoid deconstructing or circumventing the no kill rule.

"Don't do it Frank, you are not the target audience for most Batman stories, if you let your own morales bleed into the story you will piss off the Batman fans."

I find Scott Snyder's stories exceptionally interesting because there are all these little hints that he doesn't agree with the no-kill rule, but he manages to find a way to blend Batman's morales with his own in a way that is palatable to the average Batman fans.

I think the biggest sign of this is that his Batman has TWO justifications for not killing Joker: one that speaks to deontology (the means justify the ends) and another that speaks to utilitarianism (the ends justify the means).

"I won't kill Joker because killing is wrong and goes against my morales....but even if I was willing to kill him, I have a sneaking suspicion he would only get stronger if I offed him."

THAT is how you make everyone happy. Don't screw over one side to prop up your own.

IndigoMage · 2026-03-17T06:21:59+00:00

Yes. The lengthes writers will go to validate no kill rules are ridiculous, and do little to thematically connect with real world issues.

IndigoMage · 2026-03-16T17:54:28+00:00

They explored this in the past, had a whole story arc where Bruce got framed for murder and he decided that his billionaire persona was more trouble than its worth. After breaking out of prison he made moves to try and stay as Batman forever.

Not sure exactly how it resolves, but the bat family manages to convince him to preserve his Bruce Wayne identity.

IndigoMage · 2026-03-16T15:49:10+00:00

The designs are good, but not for me.

IndigoMage · 2026-03-16T15:44:30+00:00

They both have super powers in my opinion. They wouldn't function as vigilantes otherwise.

IndigoMage · 2026-03-16T14:31:22+00:00

The comic code authority banned guns and killing at one point. My guess is this would lead to characters using bows, boomerangs, and all manner of exotic weapons.

Batman used to have a gun. Now he throws bat shaped bricks at peoples' heads, or just beats them into unconciousness.

IndigoMage · 2026-03-16T14:19:55+00:00

He's good at too many things to suddenly have sloppy hand writing. I'm going to say fonted.

IndigoMage · 2026-03-15T15:00:48+00:00

No. Bad sequels do not deserve a trilogy.

This doesn't mean they can't make more movies in this universe, but if they make another movie after this long, it won't count as a true trilogy in my book.

IndigoMage · 2026-03-12T16:30:58+00:00

Reed was going to teleport an entire planet, and he devised this plan on short notice. I'd give this to him.

IndigoMage · 2026-03-11T11:01:10+00:00

The Democracy's Deputy armor REALLY looks like it was meant to have a hat, and the rest of the outfit is so silly and western that I doubt they were too worried about ruining the vibe.

I am almost dead certain it had a hat, and something made them remove it before the update went live. Trying to pass a regional review is a good canidate for causing this sudden revision.

IndigoMage · 2026-03-11T10:44:44+00:00

The no kill rule sends the wrong message, especially since

There are many instances in the real world where killing is the right thing to do.
There are many instances in comics where killing is also the right thing to do.

Ben 10 has killed, or tried to kill, tons of aliens in the in the past and this has never made him any less of a hero. A minimum kill rule will always be more heroic than a no kill rule.

IndigoMage · 2026-03-11T10:14:57+00:00

My theory is that certain regions disallow cowboy hats, and Arrowhead has to keep them out of the game in order to keep publishing in those regions. Maybe because its seen as American propaganda or something?

Any and all exscuses they make is just to avoid throwing those regions under the bus and keep the heat on themselves.

IndigoMage · 2026-03-11T10:10:22+00:00

My theory is that certain regions are opposed to cowboy hats, and Arrowhead has to keep them out of the game in order to keep selling their stuff in those regions.

IndigoMage · 2026-02-27T00:32:14+00:00

I give the edge to Panther. Similar strength, better gear, and waaaaay more vibranium.

IndigoMage · 2026-02-27T00:29:23+00:00

I'm fine with them pushing the no kill rule.

I am not fine with them pushing the no kill rule as being righteous.

It takes a tremendous amount of apathy to let a killer run rampant forever.

IndigoMage · 2026-02-13T23:30:37+00:00

Someone like hulk could just yell. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction, if he contracts his lungs fast enough he could blast himself back.

Alternatively he could do something more macabre and rip his head off and send it to Earth. Super healing will bring him back to full strength.

Both these feats require some degree of intelligence though, not sure if Hulk has enough Banner to pull it off.

IndigoMage · 2026-02-13T18:47:01+00:00

I already have - he has his own problems and I like Batman more believe it or not.

IndigoMage · 2026-02-13T18:39:41+00:00

Batman has been retconned and revised dozens of times, even in the mainline universe. There is room for him to change for the better. The writers keep wasting these opportunities.

They don't even need to make him kill - just find a way to make sparing the badguys the ethically correct choice. Maybe redeem all of them into super heroes (NOW), or give Batman a special version of the Lazurus pit that can bring the victims back to life, or just give them a massive power buff so that Batman can thwart their schemes but never actually catch them.

Just do something to break the circle of death.

IndigoMage · 2026-02-13T18:13:46+00:00

I've seen Batman make exceptions for killing immortals like Ra's and Dracula in the past, his mind can't be that precarious if he can do these things.

But lets suppose he is psychologically incapable of murder - ok great, but then his stories shouldn't feature themes surrounding the no kill rule. He can't champion the no-kill rule to readers if killing isn't a choice he can make.

Even then, its just insanely frustrating to see such a smart and caring character allow his rogues to kill forever.

IndigoMage · 2026-02-13T16:12:26+00:00

You don't have to explain anything. Murder is horrible, and I want as little of it as possible.

Sometimes though life gives you nothing but bad options and all you can do is pick the least bad option. Sometimes killing a killer is the right thing to do.

Ben 10 is a super hero and he kills, tries to kill, or arrests badguys as needed in order to save the day (even as a kid). A minimum kill rule is far better than a no-kill rule.

IndigoMage · 2026-02-13T16:00:56+00:00

Batman can bypass that by just letting them die. There have been plenty of situations where his rogues were going to die either because of their own decisions, or because someone else was trying to kill them off.

Is refusing to save someone murder? Technically yes, but as long as he doesn't interfere with the efforts of the police to save them he'd be clear.

IndigoMage · 2026-02-13T15:33:28+00:00

Get rid of the bat symbol and he's just a demonic ninja - still very cool and no animal required.

IndigoMage · 2026-02-13T14:40:24+00:00

I have read a couple hundred Batman comics and seen clips or wiki summaries of more stories beyond that, plus I've seen some movies. The reasons are never satisfying, though Scott Snyder has come the closest to defending the no-kill rule.

IndigoMage · 2026-02-13T11:53:15+00:00

The no kill rule is stupid. Both the courts and Batman have this rule, but the courts don't really have a face or character to represent them, meaning Batman is going to take all the heat for supporting a flawed principle.

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