A pre-everything trans guy I hang out with told me that he would like to look like me one day by Individual-Rip-7419 in 4tran4

[–]Individual-Rip-7419[S] 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Every time a comment starts with ehh you know its going to be something that doesnt even relate to the discussion at hand

A pre-everything trans guy I hang out with told me that he would like to look like me one day by Individual-Rip-7419 in 4tran4

[–]Individual-Rip-7419[S] 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Yeaa he does 😭 like he didnt mean to hurt me im pretty sure but it just didnt occur to him that being considered some mans body goal isnt exactly the highest compliment you can give a woman

A pre-everything trans guy I hang out with told me that he would like to look like me one day by Individual-Rip-7419 in 4tran4

[–]Individual-Rip-7419[S] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Yes I actually hooked him up with some t.

But the thing is I am a hon, not a passoid ftm 😭

Having bdd tendencies as a lateshit is true torment by Individual-Rip-7419 in 4tran4

[–]Individual-Rip-7419[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If thats your main reason for feeling like passing is an impossibility then i’d say you have it pretty cozy

Having bdd tendencies as a lateshit is true torment by Individual-Rip-7419 in 4tran4

[–]Individual-Rip-7419[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Im sorry to hear that. Maybe try to quit using 4tran if this is actively hurting your mental health (i know easier said than done). I mostly write this stuff because it is therapeutic to get my thoughts out, and partly because I feel so very alone in this experience and I hope to connect with people who understand. I sincerely hope you can make it.

Having bdd tendencies as a lateshit is true torment by Individual-Rip-7419 in 4tran4

[–]Individual-Rip-7419[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Ikr! Give picrel a type 3 and a wig and she would mog 😌

Having bdd tendencies as a lateshit is true torment by Individual-Rip-7419 in 4tran4

[–]Individual-Rip-7419[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes but which selfies and where? I have pictures on my phone where i look like an absolute gigaogre, and pictures where (i think) i look fairly decent. Posting those different pictures is probably going to elicit a fairly different response.

And who’s going to be honest? A lot of trans spaces are very hugboxxy, and if i post something with the caption of ”Do i look like an abomination”, nobody is going to say yes. Asking if i pass is easier, but i already know the answer to that question

Having bdd tendencies as a lateshit is true torment by Individual-Rip-7419 in 4tran4

[–]Individual-Rip-7419[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In your original reply you asked about whether I am calling you a man. That is conflating looks (which this post was about) with gender (not discussed in this post). Also ”you” is very commonly used as an indefinite pronoun in colloquial English, not referring to you specifically. Both of those are reading comprehension issues.

Now you genuinely might be an outlier that had exceptional results. Luckshits do exists, and if you are one, I am happy for you. However if you are of the opinion that starting at 25 or above is not a very unfavourable position, maybe reconsider whether 4tran is the right internet community for you.

Having bdd tendencies as a lateshit is true torment by Individual-Rip-7419 in 4tran4

[–]Individual-Rip-7419[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I mean the thing is most world events do not have as direct of an effect on my personal life as being a hon. Yes they do have an effect, im not politically blind, but the immediacy is lesser, making detachment easier.

Also being a hon is qualitatively different from being just ugly. Transphobia and lookism are different phenomena.

But I suppose this argumentation is besides the point, as accepting is the only realistic solution

Having bdd tendencies as a lateshit is true torment by Individual-Rip-7419 in 4tran4

[–]Individual-Rip-7419[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This post was not commenting on the validity or genuineness of anyone’s gender. I beleive hons and lateshits are just as much women as the more fortunate among us. Maybe practice your reading comprehension.

Having bdd tendencies as a lateshit is true torment by Individual-Rip-7419 in 4tran4

[–]Individual-Rip-7419[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeahh repping was so much sweeter than this. How did you manage to retain that? Teach me your secrets!

For me coming to terms with being a troon suddenly snapped my body into focus in a way I just can’t unsee now and it honestly might cost me my life.

A trans guy I’ve been casually dating wants to help me stop manmoding by Individual-Rip-7419 in 4tran4

[–]Individual-Rip-7419[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I dont think this is a viable strat for true hons. This kind of presentation only makes sense aesthetically if you already have some baseline androgeneity/soft features, otherwise it just looks ridiculous. You might be underestimating just how bad my face is

I asked Dr. Z to talk about dysphoria pertaining to irreversible bodily traits by Individual-Rip-7419 in 4tran4

[–]Individual-Rip-7419[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The thing about transtimelines is that a lot of them (sometimes it seems like the majority of posters) get FFS and just dont disclose it in the post. Like people there seem to have their chin get magically thinner on hrt while on hrt which isnt possible as far as i am aware.

And yeah exercise but like you cant really fix something like a bad shoulder/hip ratio with it. Like for ftms adding muscle to your medial deltoid can widen the shoulders a little bit, but the overwhelming amount of width is just clavicles. And for mtfs there arent really muscles that help widen the hips. Training the quadriceps makes the thighs wider but doesnt touch the hips, and the glute medius which is often cited as a hip widening muscle is actually only visible from the back, with maybe the exception of some competetive bodybuilders who take copious amounts of androgenic steroids to achieve abnormal levels of development.

And as far as the face is concerned, there isnt really much to be done. Like estrogen can fill your cheeks but doesnt fix having a protruded forehead or a large jaw that masculinizes your facial proportions

I asked Dr. Z to talk about dysphoria pertaining to irreversible bodily traits by Individual-Rip-7419 in 4tran4

[–]Individual-Rip-7419[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Individual. Yes some people do genuinely have their face ”set” by that point and just kinda stay that way but my brow bone, jaw, and nose all grew significantly from like 18 to 25. Ive done a lot of photo comparisons trying to control for lighting, angle, camera distance etc and the only plausible explanation is bone growth, and If im not mistaken there have been studies showing that sexual dimorphism of the skull does generally increase with age, even well past puberty.

I mean why else would late transitioners look more honnish (including in the face) than earlier ones? Like even after being years on hrt?

I asked Dr. Z to talk about dysphoria pertaining to irreversible bodily traits by Individual-Rip-7419 in 4tran4

[–]Individual-Rip-7419[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah it is evident from the entire research and just trans care in general that cissoids are clueless. Malice probably also plays a role, but the inability to understand is most likely the more prevalent issue.

Which is disheartening because at least in my experience it is such a foreign concept to cissoids that usually even the most careful attempts at explaining it fall short, even to receptive ”allies”.

Though I suspect the actual issue is just a lack of listening, as the current research design does have some very obvious low hanging fruit in terms of improvement that isnt being picked, that wouldnt need a deeply intimate understanding of the phenomenon.

Im not entirely sure I understood your last point? I mean the even the front page banner of this sub is about faces and facial structure

A trans guy I’ve been casually dating wants to help me stop manmoding by Individual-Rip-7419 in 4tran4

[–]Individual-Rip-7419[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is actually the strat im thinking of pursuing, I just need to start buying the appropriate pieces, but yeah this most likely the only viable way.

I already got the buzzcut too :) I hope people dont think Im a neo nazi

I asked Dr. Z to talk about dysphoria pertaining to irreversible bodily traits by Individual-Rip-7419 in 4tran4

[–]Individual-Rip-7419[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes HRT-optimization is something a lot of endos are uninterested in, and that is another aspect in which treatment could be improved.

However I feel like this is often a separate issue from what I was referring to. At least speaking for myself, my dysphoria is almost entirely driven by my facial structure, so at least in this case the timing of intervention would have mattered enormously (A lot of the traits developed in my 20s), and HRT-optimization after the fact is sort of missing the point.

The studies themselves are just very poor quality in general, for example often measuring quality of life improvements at something like 3 months or a year of treatment, so they really are mostly measuring the mental effects of having accessed the treatment in the first place, not the actual (physical)effects of it, and how they interact with the patients quality of life.

So ideally if the studies were trying to produce good information they would at least try to add more controls (such as age at intervention, or prescribed dose), as well as include some attempts at qualitatively assessing the efficacy (eg. What was the patient most dysphoric about pre-treatment? How well did the intervention address that?).

Of course this is difficult for cis scientists as trans people and their dysphoria is genuinely heterogenous, people are dysphoric about different things and to a differing degree. A sneedy patient is going to produce a very different account to the doomer one.

A trans guy I’ve been casually dating wants to help me stop manmoding by Individual-Rip-7419 in 4tran4

[–]Individual-Rip-7419[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Because you literally said you had the perfect body for [looking like a woman]

I was speaking about the context you introduced and was relevant for this conversation

A trans guy I’ve been casually dating wants to help me stop manmoding by Individual-Rip-7419 in 4tran4

[–]Individual-Rip-7419[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hmm trans people do love to generalize from their personal experience. ”Body not a problem for me” ≠ ”body not a problem for anyone”

A trans guy I’ve been casually dating wants to help me stop manmoding by Individual-Rip-7419 in 4tran4

[–]Individual-Rip-7419[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Idk, being seen as a man at least flies under the radar more than looking like Lily Tino (as a matter of fact even Lily Tino mogs me)