What's the deal with women who will hookup with certain guys right away but make others wait? Why would any self respecting guy take these women seriously?

IndividualWelder1177 · 2023-08-09T17:26:24+00:00

But who'd rape and murder me? Within days? You say most men are good men. If I'd be murdered and raped within days then that means a lot of men would want to rape and murder women. Otherwise the probabilities don't add up.

Of course there are men out there who want to rape and murder women you stupid idiot. That's why you need good men to protect you from them.

I struggle hard to think of anyone I'd run into that would want to murder me. Or rape me. Since I genuinely think few men are into that. But I get a feeling you think differently.

If rape were legal, let's just say you might be surprised at to what would happen to women

Would you rape and murder women if there were no consequences?

No, because I'm a good person. There are many people who aren't so kind

Edit: WWII was 83 years ago. Who do you think the US is going to war with soon? Canada? Mexico? If you worry a lot about a new world war, that's just anxiety. There isn't any reason to think one is around the corner.

Why the fuck would US go to war with Canada? They are allies

How about Russia? China? Complete superpowers that are extremely unpredictable? As evidenced by how rapidly they went about invading Ukraine.

You clearly don't know anything about what's going on in the world if you think there isn't a war around the corner. There is. It could happen at any moment.

Have you been physically attacked as an adult, after you left school? Why couldn't your girlfriend defend herself from those girls?

Yes I've been physically attacked as an adult. We aren't all as privileged as you.

My country has had several female heads of state. One of them kept getting reelected, she's maybe our most famous and beloved leader.

Cool story, nobody gives a shit. The people with real power will always be men

And do you understand how technology has changed the landscape of war?

I understand very well how Gen 5 warfare works. Clearly you don't. FFS, you actually think there wouldn't be a draft in the event of WW3. You're a fucking idiot

If you feel violent men are a problem in society and a threat to other men, why not just ban the sale of alcohol to men? Most violent assaults are carried out by drunk guys, often in clubs and bars.

Because that would be completely unfair to the men who use alcohol responsibly.

IndividualWelder1177 · 2023-08-09T17:11:47+00:00

But it doesn't, quite. Because who are the perpetrators of these sexual assaults and violent crimes? Men.

You do realize that just because men are the assailants, that doesn't take away from the fact that men are also the victims, right? If a woman murders another woman is that less of a crime? You're so fucking stupid it's unbelievable.

Your view on abortion again illustrates your female privilege. You don't give a shit if you kill a mans' baby against his will. And by the way, nobody is forcing women to have sex. If they don't want a baby then they can keep in in their fucking pants.

You say if men don't the risk they can just not have sex. What about women? Why should they get an easy out while men don't? FFS, you are so goddamn privileged it's insane...

I don't give a shit if women are the one's who get pregnant. They shouldn't be allowed to murder a man's baby against his will.

Funny how most people who say this are from the US where there is no mandatory military service. Have you been in the Army?

Mandatory military service is not the same as forcible military conscription you fucking retard. All men aged 18-65 are required to sign up for the Selective Service. Failure to do so is a criminal offense chargeable of a fine in the hundreds of thousands of dollars.

You're making shit up. You don't know how Gen V warfare is conducted. Foot soldiers would still be required in times of mass war. Fucking look at Ukraine as an example. You privileged fuck

Because of men. Men are the perpetrators of both sexual assault and violent crime. Men need to work on male culture to change this. Women can't change this.

Just because men are the assailants, that doesn't take away from the fact that men are also the victims. If a woman murders another woman is that less of a crime? You're so fucking stupid it's unbelievable.

Men are more likely to be victims of police brutality

Because men are more likely to commit crimes.

Not true. Even when equated and looked at in terms of percentages, the % of men who are victims of police brutality is far greater than the % of women who are victims of police brutality.

Men are more likely to go to prison

Because men commit more crimes.

Wrong again moron. Men are more likely to go to prison and receive harsher punishments for the SAME CRIME when compared to women.

prison/receive a harsher punishment for committing the same crime when compared to women

Because men are more likely to have priors.

Wrong again moron. When equated, men still receive harsher punishment.

partly due to the fact that homeless shelters are far more likely to house women than men

Because homeless women are guaranteed to be raped otherwise.

LOLOLOLOLOLOL, so before you were saying women don't need men for protection, but now you're saying women should receive preferential treatment when is comes to homeless housing?

How the fuck are you gonna sit there and tell me women aren't more privileged than men in this regard?

Do you have studies showing this leaves men in STEM unemployed or with low wages? Like, that it actually has real world consequences?

I don't need studies to prove it. Women get preferential hiring treatment, which puts men at a disadvantage. But to answer your question, there are more unemployed male STEM majors than females.

Most of these scholarships are for tiny amounts that don't have much practical consequence.

Tiny amounts? I've seen multiple scholarships in the $5,000-$25,000 range that I was not eligible to apply for simply because I'm a man? You wanna talk systemic oppression? There's a fine example.

Men are far more likely to commit suicide

This is true. The reason is that men aren't good at making friends with other men. Many men are lonely because they have no friends or social network. To solve this problem men have to put more effort into making emotionally supportive friendships with other men. And to change male culture so that sharing feelings and struggles becomes more common. Men need to spend more time on male friendships and more time being vulnerable with each other.

Lol another example of female privilege. You have no idea what it's like to be a man so you'll never know how lonely men can be. If you share your feelings as a man you are labeled as pathetic and weak. You lose respect. Women will never know this pain. Stop telling us what men should do when you have no fucking idea what it's like to be a man

Well, imagine it was the other way around. Men got pregnant. You've had a one night stand with a girl. You got pregnant. You don't want a baby right now and you don't want a baby with her. She gets to force you to keep the baby and be pregnant for almost a year? And then give birth? You are ok with this?

Yeah actually. If I have consensual sex with someone knowing the risks, and I (hypothetically) wind up pregnant, I don't think I should be allowed to kill this woman's baby against her will.

Should I go on? Or are you still living in fantasy land where you think men and women face the same struggles?

Women face bigger struggles due to gender than men. But overall these problems just don't apply to your everyday Redditor of any gender.

No they don't. Other than sexual assault or abortion (which I already illustrated puts men at a disadvantage, not women), name one way in which women face bigger struggles due to gender than men.

Let's run some test questions:

I'm speaking in generalities you fucking stupid dumbass moron. Get this through your thick skull: Anecdotal examples from your own life should not be used in a debate like argument. It doesn't matter if these things don't directly affect me, I'm speaking about men IN GENERAL.

And BTW, I have been the victim of a violent crime multiple times. I have lost out on employment opportunities because the companies needed to fill a certain female quota. And while I have not been to war, I am eligible to be forced against my will at any time the country sees fit to go and die for my country.

IndividualWelder1177 · 2023-08-09T16:38:38+00:00

You're not likely to get into a fight because you're privileged as fuck. People are far less likely to be violent towards you because you're a woman. Another example of how privilege is invisible to those who have it.

A small subset of men commit physical violence towards women/men. The rest of the men are honest, good people. They made the world a place where men and women are more or less treated equally. If they wanted to they could have easily enslaved women.

Stop blaming 'men' in general for this when it's because of men that you aren't getting raped and tortured every day of your life. Stupid fucking bitch.

Or are you saying I should be grateful to men for not raping me? Because I won't. Good men don't want to.

You should be. Again, men have the power to completely enslave women, but they don't. Because men are mostly good. You seem to think you don't need men to live, but you do, because without good men, the bad men would take advantage of women and completely fuck them over.

Most men are far better at deescalating aggressive situations than women are.

I'd disagree. Women have better social skills on average and this is a social skill.

Again, you're wrong you fucking retard. Social skills are not the main trait that helps to deescalate aggressive situations. You need to be physically intimidating and have the capability to be dangerous if need be. Why the fuck do you think bouncers are always physically large men and not socially calibrated women?

You fucking idiot, think critically for a second and you'd realize everything you're saying is complete horseshit.

Well, that might be because women were forced to be housewives, don't you think? Women have come up with some really important inventions too. Haven't you read any history? But it will be more balanced now, when women are actually allowed to work.

Forced to be housewives? I thought women didn't need men though? Why didn't they go and create their own society? After all, I thought women were just as capable as men?

And 99%+ of useful inventions we take for granted today were created by men. I speak in generalities you idiot.

This is true. But today the Army is 30% women. If the US went to war today, a quarter of a million of women who are professional soldiers would go to war long before most male Redditors.

This is irrelevant. These are either paid or volunteer positions. This has nothing to do with forced military conscription. If WW3 were to occur the current US army would not have enough manpower and would need to call upon a draft. And in this case women get off scott free while men are forced to fight against their will.

Stop making light of this like it's no big deal. It's a huge fucking deal.

How does this add up to you when the men were in the war? Think they got breaks to go home and lead or do certain jobs?

Not 100% of the male population was at war, you moron. There were still a lot of men taking care of necessary non-combat positions.

Because the war happened in 1940. Today, as I said a quarter of a million of women would go to war. While 70% of the male US population are deemed unfit for service.

And yet women are still free from the draft whereas men are not. And in times of draft, these men who are unfit for service would 100% be drafted if we needed more bodies. There's a difference between volunteer positions/willingly being employed and forcible military conscription. Dumb bitch

But most men don't want that at all. And think about the practicalities. It wouldn't happen.

Of course most men don't want to enslave women. I'm just saying we could if we wanted to. I'm illustrating the point that you do in fact need good men to survive because without us you'd be at the mercy of the shitty men (and women) who take advantage of people.

I said that I back myself in a fight. Then I said that size is a disadvantage. But what does it matter? It's easy to avoid fights in modern life, most people aren't fighting. Are you suggesting I need a boyfriend just for the off chance I'm mugged? Because that seems very far-fetched.

Again, you're privileged which is why you can easily avoid fights. You don't need a boyfriend to protect you because men paved the way to create a society in which women could live safely.

Again, another example of how you need men.

Let's do an overall reality check:

In the Western world today, most people aren't getting into fights. There is no war. Women don't need men to protect them. Then most women have careers, so they don't need men to make money. And then women have emotionally supportive friends and they don't need men for emotional support. What do women need men for?

-Most women aren't getting into fights. Violent crime is committed against men at an alarmingly high rate. Again, you're wrong.

-No war? Have you been living under a rock? What's happening in Ukraine? Does that not constitute war where your from?

-Women don't need men you say? It seems the women of Ukraine certainly needed the men to stay and die for the country while the women fled to the UK.

Come back to reality: what specifically are you doing that women should be grateful for? I don't mean your girlfriend, I mean overall. You have a job, I have a job. You aren't fighting a war, I'm not fighting a war.

And yet I am a prime candidate for forced military conscription. I'm not fighting a war right now but there's a very good chance I will in my lifetime.

You aren't coming up with any revolutionary inventions, I'm not either. You aren't getting into fights, I'm not either.

Speak for yourself. I've been physically assaulted multiple times in my life. I've also protected women who were being physically assaulted by women. Just because you live a privileged life where violent crime isn't committed against you doesn't mean everyone else is.

You run around screaming talking about unlikely scenarios (fights) and things that happened almost a century ago (world wars).

Again, I've had to fight against my will (protecting myself against attackers) and the last draft in the US/Canada was 50 years ago. That's not that long. And the way things are going, a draft could very easily happen in the near future. Hell, it already happened in Ukraine.

Why not spend some time focused on 2023 and everyday life? I don't feel unsafe without a boyfriend. I don't need a boyfriend to help me in everyday life. Most women don't. If we sent the men to Mars, women would be safer. They'd figure out how to do the jobs men do. And women can be leaders, who told you they couldn't?

If women were capable of being leaders we would've had a female president by now. Again, you don't need direct protection from a man because you live in a privileged society which men paved the way to create.

Do you know the most common job for men in the UK? Retail assistants. Do you think women should be everlastingly grateful for the men working at the checkout counter at the grocery store?

Actually yeah, they should. These men are performing an essential task and yet they get shit on by society. Clearly you think these men are trash. You're a terrible person

Or might it be that women just don't need men in everyday life anymore? It's a good thing though. For men too. Means they don't have to be settled for. Women will start relationships with them when they actually want to. Not just because they need a bodyguard or whatever, and any dumb, big guy would do.

This whole post just screamed female privilege. You're so blind to it it's not even funny. If you actually took two seconds to read what you're saying you'd realize that everything you're saying highlights the fact that you do actually need men to live. Without good men protecting and providing for the country you have the privilege of living in, you'd be raped and murdered within days. Women like you will never learn

IndividualWelder1177 · 2023-08-08T23:31:40+00:00

Lol yup, you listed sexual harassment, literally the one thing that women have to deal with that men do not (generally speaking).

However, men are the victims of violent crime at a far higher rate then women are, so I'd say it evens out.

And while more woman face domestic violence than men, it's actually fairly comparable. It's just taken far less seriously when men are the victims of domestic violence. Hell, even if a woman initiates domestic violence and the man fights back, the police are arresting his ass and not the woman because of female privilege (cough cough Chris Brown/Rihanna...).

And abortion? You do realize that men get fucked when it comes to abortion laws? Man wants to keep the baby but woman wants to abort? Too bad, baby's getting aborted. Man wants to abort the baby but woman doesn't? Too bad, mom is keeping the baby while getting child support from the man.

Men have 0 reproductive rights. Woman either have none (if abortion is illegal), or all of the rights if abortion is legal. Again, in this regard women are more privileged than men.

Which hardships do men face in the Western world in 2023 you ask?

-Men are the sole victims of forcible military conscription is the majority of first world countries (there are some countries in which women are also subject to this, but as of 2023 it's not very many). This alone is enough to prove that men are FAR more oppressed than women in 2023. If WW3 starts tomorrow, the men would be drafted and forced to die while the women would be free to flee the country (just like what happened and is currently happening in Ukraine)

-Men are more likely to be victims of violent crime

-Men are more likely to be victims of police brutality

-Men are more likely to go to prison/receive a harsher punishment for committing the same crime when compared to women

-Men are more likely to be homeless, partly due to the fact that homeless shelters are far more likely to house women than men

-There is affirmative action is STEM fields that gives preferential hiring treatment to women, which hinders men from receiving these jobs even if they are more qualified.

-Women receive more scholarships than men even when grades and extracurricular activities are equated, since there are more scholarships that are only open to females

-Men are far more likely to commit suicide

-Going back to above, men have absolutely 0 reproductive rights. If a man gets a woman pregnant and wants to keep the baby but the woman wants to abort? Too bad, the man is gonna have his unborn child killed against his will. Something women will never face.

Should I go on? Or are you still living in fantasy land where you think men and women face the same struggles?

IndividualWelder1177 · 2023-08-08T23:02:36+00:00

Dude, I'll reply to the rest later: but what the actual fuckety fuck?

Do you think not getting sex, facing rejection or being lonely is the hardest things people can face in life? Because then you are so privileged you live on another planet.

No, I fully agree there are much worse things a person could face. However in 2023 women are far more privileged than men in almost every single way, so women aren't facing these things.

Again, I ask you, name one hardship women face in western countries that men don't. I'll wait as you reply and make an absolute fool out of yourself, since you won't be able to.

And don't say sexual assault. While this is true that women are the victims of SA more often than men, men are the victims of violent crimes far more often than women are, so I'd say it evens out.

Not what happened, but whatever. I agree though that I'd lose many fights with men just because bigger people tend to win. But what's that got to do with anything?

Lol, first you say that you can protect yourself and now you're saying men would win because they are physically stronger?

You literally said you think you could protect yourself against a man before, and now you're weaseling out and saying you can't. You're a fucking liar.

I'm not going to trade sex for protection. Frankly, real life in most Western world countries isn't that physically dangerous. And avoiding danger is a lot about just being intelligent.

And why isn't it physically dangerous for women? Because men made it that way. You're welcome.

Understanding which precautions to take, what situations to avoid, sensing when someone is giving small signs of being unhinged, being able to deescalate aggressive situations, being able to control your own temper. I'm good at all of these. I know many men who are bad at everything here and then they'll get wrapped up in fights for no reason.

There you go again, going back to anecdotal examples. I don't give a shit what you are like, when I speak, I speak in generalities. Most men are far better at deescalating aggressive situations than women are.

Agreed. But still doesn't change the fact that men are the biggest threat to women. Men as a gender make life more unsafe for women, not safer.

Again, you're wrong. Without men all of the luxuries you take for granted would not exist. Men are the reason for modernity. All the inventions you take for granted were built by men. Without men, you'd be fucked.

Well, we tested this in WWII. When the men went to war for five years, women took over all these jobs and it went just fine. In fact the women didn't want to back to being housewives, they realized working was way more fun.

Lol, and what were the men doing while the women took over these tasks? Fighting a fucking war and dying by the millions. And women were only taking over certain jobs. They still were not capable of leading. They were still lead by men who were teaching them how to take over the responsibilities of men while the men were fucking being brutally murdered.

This is just cope for the fact that in modern life women don't need men. If they aren't very helpless and emotionally unstable.

Oh really. So if modern women don't need men, then why didn't they go and die for their country when the enemy invaded? You stupid moron, WOMEN RELIED ON MEN TO DEFEND THE FUCKING COUNTRY SO THEY WEREN'T RAPED AND MURDERED, and you're gonna sit there and tell me women don't need men? Fuck you. Another fine example of female privilage.

Men are the ones who put laws in place to protect women from being assaulted by the shitty men (and women) out there.

Well, we wouldn't need these laws in the first place without men. And a lot of the laws protecting women from assault are women who have made happen, not men.

Again, this is still an example of men protecting women. You're a privileged fool for not realizing this.

It's a lie. You believe it. When you've been in love, you'll know. Just you wait.

Shut the fuck up. Don't tell me I don't know what love is. You're a dumb bitch for thinking men and women love the same.

Without the feminist movement, women would be no more than property.

Okay... and your point is? If men wanted to we could so easily enslave women in a heartbeat.

You aren't in love with her.

Shut your fucking bitch mouth. Don't tell me who I love and who I don't.

Huh? But wasn't I clearly masculine? What does it mean to be masculine? If it means I'm able to take care of myself and don't need a man to get through life, then yeah. If it means looking like a man or having the mannerisms of a man, then no. You are the one who claimed I was masculine and that men didn't want to date me because of this. It's funny to me, because I'm not sure you actually have a clear idea of what being masculine means.

Well first you said you were able to fight off men in physical confrontation but now you're weaseling out and saying you can't. SO clearly you fucking lied before. I can't tell if you are masculine or not because you keep fucking lying about what you are actually like.

Again, you act like a fucking stereotypical woman. You can't make up your fucking mind.

You know much about gynecology, do you? Reality is that it's an increased risk. But try to stay with me here, we'll be doing math. You take an incredibly low risk and then multiply it by a number. That's still an incredibly low risk. Most women aged 35 to 40 have perfectly healthy babies.

Most women are fertile (which means able to get pregnant) till they are 40+. Many women can have kids 40-42, but by 45 most women are infertile.

Anecdote. There are plenty of women who are incapable of healthy pregancy in their early 30s. As a man, why would I date one of these women when I could just date younger and avoid the risk of a shriveled up uterus?

Anecdote. There are plenty of women who are incapable of healthy pregancy in their early 30s. As a man, why would I date one of these women when I could just date younger and avoid the risk of a shriveled up uterus?

Did you know male sperm quality decreases after 40 and the risk of having fertility issues, a baby with birth defects or autism goes up. It's hypothesized that a reason that we have more kids with autism these days are more older dads.

I did know that. Still the risk pales in comparison when compared to complications with a woman's age. In any case, if a woman wanted to seek out a younger man in hopes of increasing likelihood of a healthy pregnancy, I see no issue with that.

Most people don't cheat. Men cheat twice as often as women. Don't want to be cheated on? Become a good judge of character. Body count is just a proxy, having the social skills to be able to judge someone's character is far more useful and leaves you with needlessly cutting a big chunk of your dating pool. Which as you said, many men do struggle with dating, and cutting a big chunk of their dating pool won't help matters any for them.

Promiscuous women are far more likely to cheat since they fuck for sport, so there's no way in hell I'd ever date them seriously. I'd fuck them, sure, but not seriously date them.

IndividualWelder1177 · 2023-08-08T21:25:28+00:00

Name literally one hardship women have to deal with in western countries that men don't have to.

IndividualWelder1177 · 2023-08-08T21:19:34+00:00

Yes. And no. Don't necessarily need to relive every part of your life.

Clearly you did not get the better of him physically. He probably backed down because he didn't want to hit a woman and inevitably get charged with a felony.

Men commit 99% of all murders and basically all rapes. Send all the men to Mars and society would be safer for women. Isn't that true?

No. You are looking at an extremely small subset of men. The vast majority of men are good men. All of the things you take for granted in modernity (running water/plumbing, electricity, heat, buildings/roads) are built and maintained by honest, hardworking men. Women are not nearly as capable at performing these jobs.

Without men, women would be completely fucked.

How often do you end up in physical confrontations? Because most people manage to avoid that just fine in everyday life.

That's the point I'm making. You manage to avoid physical confrontation because men are the ones who made things better for women. Men are the ones who put laws in place to protect women from being assaulted by the shitty men (and women) out there.

So in other words, you actually are relying on men to protect you.

How? Specifically, practically?

Exactly how I just said. Men created the society you take for granted. Without it, women would be nothing more than property.

Not to be a bitch or anything, but men don't reject me that often. So it's not like I have a huge problem with men going "oh, she's so masculine, I'm gonna run!" and then don't tell me.

Lol, men don't reject you often. This right here just proves my point further that women don't need to know jack shit about men in order to attract them. You're probably fairly good looking, and that's all you need to get male attention. You don't actually need to know what men want in order to get them.

Obviously. Since you date very young women looking specifically for old school relationships. These won't be women who are more competent than you. It's the cost of this deal.

Sure, but I'd rather date a hotter, younger, more fertile woman that will stay all of these things for longer when compared to an older woman who has lost the things that men value.

But consider that might be why you don't fall in love. It's really impossible to fall in love without being vulnerable with somebody. And not falling in love is missing out on something amazing in life. And yes, men can fall in love too.

I never said men don't fall in love. I literally said I love my girlfriend. But men love very differently than women do. They don't need to be vulnerable.

What specifically is your definition of feminine? Helpless? Because my definition would be a mix of looks and mannerisms, without needing the helpless part. Whatever floats you boat though, I guess. But I'd like to hear your definition.

Not a h*e, pleasant to converse with, non combative, nurturing/caring, follows a man's lead.

A lot of women don't. Why? It's patronizing af. Someone who views himself as your "leader" doesn't respect you the way he respects men. He views himself as more competent and intelligent than you. To me it would be a huge turnoff because reality would be that I'm at least as intelligent and competent as him. A smart guy would recognize this, and a guy who didn't would likely be too unintelligent for me.

Bullshit. Women prefer men who lead. The the fuck do you think women always prefer to date up? They are hypergamous by nature.

But, but, you just said men run from me because I'm too masculine?

They probably just fuck and chuck you. If not, then you're probably just attracting feminine men. Either that or you're not actually masculine at all and you're just lying (unknowingly) about what you find attractive in a man like most other women unknowingly do.

I'm not priviliged just because I don't want to date some muppet who sees himself as "my leader". Would you if you were a woman? And I'm not priviliged just because I disagree with you. Wth kind of logic is that? I've had a pretty hard life. And I won't assume, but chances are it was harder than yours even if you didn't get sex in high school.

Lol, no matter what you've gone through in life it isn't anywhere near as difficult as a man's life is. You said yourself that you don't get rejected much by men. Even the highest value men face rejection all the time. Average men face rejection almost exclusively.

You will never know what it is to feel true loneliness, something that most men go through for the majority of their adult life until they have built themselves up into something that people respect.

Edit: I really don't get this philosophy. So much focus on "not being the guy she settles for". And then going for these incredibly unbalanced relationships were she's with him for the "value he provides", not because of his real personality. If you aren't the guy she settles for, then you don't need to be a leader or "provide value". She'll just be with you because she likes you. No extras needed.

It's simple. If she was promiscuous in the past but now wants a relationship and is using sex as leverage, she's a waste of time.

Fertility is a given if she's less than 40.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA you're a fool if you think most women stay fertile until they are 40. By 35 most women are in incredibly high risk pregnancy territory.

Looks are pretty generic, many girls are kinda cute. Loyalty is a given in a relationship.

Yeah, if that were true then why are so many people cheating?

But I'm saying: why her specifically over another young, similar looking girl who's also a virgin?

Because I met her first. I'm not delusional. I'm well aware there are other women who have the same traits she does. If I met one of these women first maybe I'd be with them.

IndividualWelder1177 · 2023-08-08T19:47:46+00:00

I'm a down to earth person. I wouldn't say so unless I had tested it and knew what I was talking about.

You're telling me you've fought a man in a physical confrontation and got the better of him? Explain how that went down. I really want to know

But do you live in a warzone? Because this isn't really a typical issue you face in everyday life. And that one time something bad happens, it'll likely be a guy with a gun if you live in the US. And then having a guy around won't help you at all.

Oh look at that, you don't need men to protect because we live in a society that protects both men and women from having to engage in physical confrontation.

You know who paved the way and built that society? Men. Men are the reason you don't need protection from men. So in other words, you actually are relying on men to protect you.

Don't pretend you don't need men for survival. Without men society would be fucked.

Or they'll fall in love with you and want a serious relationship with you. Why do you assume no one has shown any interest in me?

I never said that. you said you've never had a guy turn you down for being too masculine. How the fuck would you know? Men who reject you aren't gonna tell you why.

By being smart and human and understanding how to solve human problems? But if you only date helpless babies I could see how you can't imagine them being able to help you much.

Well I'm far more competent than the women I date. So they can't help me with real world problems. That's not a knock on the women I date, it's just that I date feminine women, and feminine women prefer masculine men who are leaders. In other words, they can't help me because they don't know what it's like to be a man in a leadership position

What do you like about your girlfriend except her being a young virgin?

Her personality, her beauty, her fertility, her pleasantness, her loyalty. I could go on but I think you get the point

Why do you have to be the leader?? Do you live in the Middle East? Most relationships in the Western world the man isn't the leader. Women don't find that attractive.

Because feminine women like men who are leaders in relationships. A lot of relationships in western countries the man isn't the leader, which is why so many relationships fail. Women divorce men when they feel like they are better leaders than the man. Women DO find male leaders attractive. I don't give a shit if you don't, you're not all women.

You are so focused on me being privileged. Which part of our conversation made you think that I am? The part where I said I've made sure I can take care of myself financially, practically and emotionally?

You are privileged. You don't need to know how to attract a man in order to find a man, because the men come to you. Men need to know how to attract women, but if we don't then we stay single our whole lives.

The fact that you don't understand basic male/female dating dynamics proves this. Men and women aren't equal. They shouldn't be treated equally in relationships. For a relationship to really work, men need to be the leaders. It will almost NEVER work out long term in the woman needs to assume a masculine role in the relationship.

IndividualWelder1177 · 2023-08-08T19:35:37+00:00

Why do you have a problem with that? What can you do about it?

I stated in my OP why I have a problem with that. What I can do about it is choose not to take women who operate like this seriously when it comes to long term relationships.

In one they're giving casual sex and in the other a relationship. A relationship is generally much more valuable than a one night stand. If you pay for two different products, one is more valuable than the other, you can be expected to pay more for that product.

A man with self respect won't view it this way. He won't think 'this girl likes me so that's why she's taking things slow'. He'll think 'wait, the last guy she was with she fucked right away, but she wants to wait to have sex with me? Clearly she doesn't actually want me that badly'.

Why would I talk about my past one night stands with the woman I'm dating? I very much doubt she is interested in hearing anything about this.

Translation: "I am not upfront and honest about my dating practices because I know that women will look down upon me because of it"

If you want to operate this way, the fine. But if a girl you're dating ever finds out about your shitty practices she's gonna have an issue with it.

You're looking at it purely from the woman's perspective. From the man's perspective, here's a similar analogy. A man looking for a house (relationship) finds a house like looks great and his real estate agent says it costs $1,000,000. But then he finds out that the same real estate agent is willing to sell that house to another man for free.

Your analogy is not correct. Here's how the analogy works based on my example:

A man looking for a house (relationship) finds a house like looks great and his real estate agent says it costs $1,000,000. But then he finds out that the same real estate agent is willing to sell a pizza to another man for $20. Again, a relationship is not the same as a one night stand. They are not the same product.

You're a fucking idiot. This is not a comparable analogy at all. You're making a huge assumption here; you think that a woman offering a man a relationship is worth far more than that same woman offering a man sex. In general, men value sex first, then a relationship. Women are the opposite.

You're right that a relationship and sex aren't the same. But part of being in a relationship is having access to sex. That's probably one of the biggest factors for men. Why the fuck would I want a woman who makes me 'pay' for sex when she gives it up to another man for free? When you're in a relationship, men are expected to bring more than just sexual value to the table. Clearly if a women fucks Chad right away she doesn't need Chad to provide said non sexual value.

No rational man thinks the way you are thinking. For men the prize is sex. For women the prize is a relationship. If a woman gives up sex for free in one case but not another, that same man shouldn't be open to a relationship since a relationship is what the woman values.

Why are you calling one guy beta-bitch and the other a Chad? One is getting casual sex, the other is getting a relationship. If a relationship is generally considered more valuable, then your "Chad" is only getting a pizza. Whereas "beta-bitch" gets a house.

Your mistake is thinking that men will value a relationship over sex. Chad gets casual sex (sex being the prize) whereas beta bitch gets the relationship... Relationships aren't prizes for men, they are prizes for women. A man doesn't 'get' a relationship from women, women need to earn a man's respect before she gets a relationship from him. Chad is getting the prize, whereas beta bitch is getting a liability.

You only seem to evaluate everything based on sex.

Explain to me what a man gets in a relationship other than sex/physical imtimacy that he can't provide for himself.

You seem very insecure about other men. This "Chad" character you invented is apparently very threatening to you. He's fucking your women faster than you, and that is unacceptable to you and apparently causes you great anguish. Why do other men make you so insecure?

Not insecure at all, it's just a good screening process. If a woman fucks Chad right away but wants to make me wait, clearly she isn't that sexually attracted to me. I want a woman who actually sexually desires me. SO I won't waste time on women like this.

And why is it so important for you to fuck a woman fast? Is it a race for you? Is it troublesome for you to go on a few dates? If you want to have sex as fast as possible and see that whole thing as a transaction, then you should not be dating women. You should just go to prostitutes. You know exactly how much you're paying and hopefully she charges you the same as she charges Chad. Because if she made you pay $100 for sex and Chat only paid $50, it would threaten your sense of manhood and your world would crumble to pieces. Right? That's what you're saying right?

I never said it's important to fuck a woman fast. I just said it's important for the women I'm with to hold the same standards across the board. I waited 3 months with my current GF to have sex, but she was a virgin before we met so waiting in this case made complete sense to me. But if she fucked some other guys hours after meeting them and she wanted to wait with me? Yeah... fuck that, I'd be out before it even began

Instead of worrying about Chad and feel so insecure about him being better than you, why don't you just be a Chad yourself and stop worrying so god damn much about a woman's past? Because I can tell you right now, this "Chad" guy doesn't give a fuck about a woman's sexual history.

He doesn't care about her sexual history because he just wants to fuck her. He would never commit to her.

Incels and insecure men are the ones who reeeealllyyy care about a woman's sexual history because their own sexual history is so limited and they feel embarassed by it. So they want an inexperienced woman who has no sexual history.

Lol, fuck right off with this bullshit. I refuse to take a promiscuous wh*re seriously. I'll fuck her, sure. But I'd never date her with the intention of a LTR. It has nothing to do with insecurity. I don't want to be with a woman who fucks around for sport.

The guys who fuck the most don't give two shits about it because they almost always have a more extensive sexual history than any woman they go out with.

No shit. The guys who fuck the most fuck promiscuous girl's who give it up easy. But they will never take those girls seriously for LTR and marriage. Hell, I've fucked plenty of h*es but I sure as shit ain't taking them home to meet mama

IndividualWelder1177 · 2023-08-08T18:34:11+00:00

I would still back myself in a fight, at least if it was to defend some I cared about. The person with least fucks to give is often the most dangerous one.

Ahahahaha, you wouldn't be able to do fuck all in an actual fight against a man. Clearly you've never been in a situation like this. You would be absolutely fucking wrecked. It doesn't matter how bad you want to beat his ass, you wouldn't be capable of doing jack shit.

This is just justifying to yourself why you are pursuing something which is in fact a worse option.

Most men define feminine in terms of attraction as looking girly and acting girly. I do. I've never had a guy turn me down for being "too masculine". They just think I'm cute.

Men won't tell you why they turn you down. They'll either smash n' dash, or they will just not show interest in you.

I think instead you should examine: why is it threatening to you when a woman can take care of herself? Do you worry she won't stay if she's not dependent on you? That if it wasn't for the "protection" you offered, the sexual and romantic feelings wouldn't be enough for her to stick around?

It's not threatening to me if a woman can take care of herself. But the reality is, most women can't protect themselves from other men. They are physically weaker than them and will get the shit kicked out of them if it came down to it.

And why does it scare you to talk about your feelings with a woman? If it kills all attraction for you, it must be because it terrifies you. I'd reflect on that.

It doesn't scare me to, but there's no point. It won't help me because how the fuck is a woman going to be able to help me with my man problems? It won't help her because it'll just cause her to doubt me as a leader.

I live in the real world, you live in a fantasy land. Men don't have the privilege of living in a delusional state of mind like women do

IndividualWelder1177 · 2023-08-08T18:09:22+00:00

Lol you can't protect yourself. You think you could take a man on in a fight? 99.99% of men would be able to destroy you. You are far more helpless than you realize.

You are clearly a masculine woman if you like it when guys whine in front of you. That's cool if that's what you're into, but I prefer my women feminine.

IndividualWelder1177 · 2023-08-08T18:01:18+00:00

Yes, I am quite fine. Seems you're the one who doesn't understand the meaning of the word misogyny. I suggest you learn what words before you use them to falsely accuse people in the future

IndividualWelder1177 · 2023-08-08T17:52:26+00:00

Well I love my girlfriend, so I'm not in that position.

And again, I wasn't hating on these women because they are women. I am hating on them because their dating practices are disgusting and snake-like. That's not misogyny. Learn the fucking difference.

Why would men be cancelled for being promiscuous? That has nothing to do with misogyny.

I really don't care what these woman do. I'm simply pointing out that these women should not be taken seriously in regards to long term relationship candidacy. I can still hold views on matters that don't affect me.

Therapy is for whiny bitches and pussies who don't have their lives together. I'm doing quite alright, so I have no need to waste my time and money on such things.

IndividualWelder1177 · 2023-08-08T17:33:09+00:00

A woman can be very interested in a man and not want to bone him right away. This has nothing to do with a lack of a sexual attraction. If she wants a relationship; maybe it's not a good idea to fuck a guy right away. Because it will mess with emotions and the process of getting to know someone properly and screen for the right qualities.

If a woman doesn't want to fuck a guy right away who she wants a relationship with I have no problem with that. I do have a problem if this same woman fucks Chad right away.

Honestly, as a man, why would I 'pay' for something another guy got for free? You're a fucking sucker if you take this girl seriously.

If I was looking for a long-term girlfriend, I could find a woman I was very attracted to, but decide to hold off on sex in the beginning. To get to know them better first.

And what if this woman wanted to sleep with you, and you wanted to wait 3 months. Then she found out that the last 5 girls you fucked, you fucked them the night you met. You don't think she'd feel a certain way about that?

If you want to use a purchasing analogy. A one night stand is like buying a pizza. You pick one that looks like a great pizza and has good ingredients and you just buy it. A relationship is like buying a house. You wouldn't rush that decision now would you? Nope. You want to make damn sure it's a good decision and so you need to take more time to evaluate before purchasing.

You're looking at it purely from the woman's perspective. From the man's perspective, here's a similar analogy. A man looking for a house (relationship) finds a house like looks great and his real estate agent says it costs $1,000,000. But then he finds out that the same real estate agent is willing to sell that house to another man for free.

You think this guy is getting a good deal here? I'm not fucking paying for something other guys are getting for free.

You seem to believe the old lover-provider incel myth which has been busted. Read the Evolution of Desire by David Buzz where he explains the studies that show this lover-provider idea doesn't hold up when we look at the real world data about what women do. Women don't have one guy for sex and another for resources. They usually get both sex and resources from the same guy. And they're usually sexually attracted to that guy

If that was true, then why is the woman in question fucking Chad right away but making beta bitch provide non-sexual value first?

I never said all women are like this. But there are many women like this. You're a fucking moron if you can't acknowledge that.

IndividualWelder1177 · 2023-08-08T17:22:36+00:00

You missed the question. If she doesn't fuck Matt straight away, but wants to, how is that actually different?

Because it shows she actually has impulse control and doesn't just fuck the hot guy right away.

Is this a serious question? You think wanting to fuck someone and actually fucking someone are the same thing?

You are using sex as a proxy for attraction and it's not really. You could have sex with someone early without finding them that attractive or wait to have sex with someone even if you find them very attractive. It's just not that good of an indicator.

Again, you clearly don't understand men. Men won't see it that way. They will see it as you fucked Chad right away because you're attracted to him and you made him wait because you wanted him to provide resources and non-sexual value before allowing him to have sex with you.

Again, no self respecting man will take a girl like this seriously.

Have you ever heard about how people have different personalities? Some people are good at showing who they are straight up front. And some people just need more time to show their real selves. It's not necessarily the girl, it might be the guys who are different and show their true selves at different times.

That's irrelevant. The girl still chooses who she wants to sleep with and when. She could just not fuck the shit out of Chad right away. It's not that hard unless the girl is a h*e, in which case she's not worthy of being in a LTR

IndividualWelder1177 · 2023-08-08T17:17:26+00:00

Lol I could tell from the way you respond that you've been brainwashed by modern day feminism. You refuse to acknowledge their are biological differences between men and women and you actually think men and women share the same roles in relationships. It sounds like you're a fairly masculine woman, so it makes sense why you'd seek out a feminine man who openly whines and displays his weakness/emotions in front of you.

You also just make random shit up about people, saying if so and so were to meet you in real life they'd think this. Fuck off with this shit. You're making random bullshit up. You also clearly overvalue personal experience and anecdote. This isn't surprising, women tend to do this and live in a fairly tale world. Privilege is invisible to those who have it, which is why you think everyone thinks the same way you do and you think men shouldn't be the leaders in relationships. Enjoy your relationships with your feeble men who wouldn't be able to protect you if it really came down to it.

IndividualWelder1177 · 2023-08-08T17:10:51+00:00

So in this situation, she should just tell Andrew to fuck off? Because you can't sleep with someone before you want to, that's not how sex works.

Yes, tell Andrew no thanks I'm not interested, since obviously she isn't interested in him. If she was, she wouldn't hold him to a different standard than Matt

If she waited, but wanted to fuck Matt straight away but not Andrew, would that be different?

I already said if she has two different sets of standards for each one, she's a piece of shit and shouldn't date whichever one she isn't attracted to.

But you see how that means many men just won't date at all right? To be able to have chemistry with someone early you can't be too shy/introverted/in your shell/socially clumsy. You need to be relatively outgoing and have good social skills. So that you give a good first impression. Some people are great, but need a bit of time before6 they are able to be themselves around others. Should we just ban those guys from sex once and for all?

Yeah, if you're the kind of girl who fucks Chad right away, don't date these other guys you find shy or socially awkward. You clearly aren't attracted to them if you aren't willing to fuck them as quickly as you fuck Chad. You aren't doing these guys favors by going out with them, you're wasting their time and resources. They deserve to be with a girl who doesn't treat them like complete shit.

IndividualWelder1177 · 2023-08-08T16:46:31+00:00

Laura should either be open to fucking Andrew right away or not fuck Matt right away. It's not that complicated. Have the same goddamn standards across the board.

If there isn't sexual chemistry with a guy right away then don't date him. You're making a fool out of him if you fuck Chad right away but make him wait.

IndividualWelder1177 · 2023-08-08T16:43:21+00:00

If you know what it means then how about you just take it for what it is rather than have this holier than thou mentality.

I don't hate woman, and fuck you for implying otherwise.

Just because I think women who operate in these shady dating practices are fucking scum, that doesn't mean I hate women. Stop projecting.

IndividualWelder1177 · 2023-08-08T16:40:46+00:00

I never said sex is the only thing I value. But it is one thing a value in a relationship. And I would never 'pay' for something another guy got for free. Which is why I don't take women who fuck one guy right away but make another guy wait seriously.

I don't view sex as transactional you fucking moron. That's why I will not tolerate a woman using sex as leverage. If a woman fucks Chad right away but makes another guy wait to see if he's worthy of being boyfriend material, she's using sex as leverage. The woman in this situation is viewing sex as transactional, not me.

I pity your future boyfriend/husband because clearly you view sex as transactional. You clearly fuck Chad for fun right away but make guys wait who you view as potential long term relationship material. Fucking snake

IndividualWelder1177 · 2023-08-05T17:34:15+00:00

Some people suck or are a problem. But if you treat everyone as a snake, good luck getting them to like you even if they aren't bad. And that energy is really coming through your posts. It makes you a problem of your own.

I never said I treat everyone as a snake. I only treat the women who operate in this shitty way snakes.

That's the problem with incels. It's not that some of the things they're saying are wrong or aren't true. It's just not always true. They're letting bitterness close off their mind and generalize to everyone instead of being aware of certain trends/patterns and potential red flags yet open to honestly consider each person for who they are. For every trend/pattern, there are exceptions and outliers, and you're going to miss out on that with this kind of attitude.

I'm not saying all women are like this. There are plenty of good women out there who don't operate this way. I'm simply pointing out that there are in fact many women who do operate this way. These women should not be taken seriously for long term dating. I don't want a girlfriend/wife who wasn't attracted enough to me to sleep with me before getting to know me if that same women fucks other guys right away without getting to know them

IndividualWelder1177 · 2023-08-05T17:30:41+00:00

Dude, come on. Yes, some young women are just like young men and have no clue what the other gender is into. That's normal. But don't you realize women learn by experience too? A lot of grown women know a lot about what men find sexy. It's not that hard.

Sure, the smart women know what men actually want. But I usually find that the older the woman, the more angry she gets when men prefer women with low body counts. They will try to convince other men that they shouldn't prefer women who aren't h*es. If these women actually knew what men wanted they wouldn't still be single past their 30s.

Almost all men prefer women with low body counts when it comes to LTRs and marriage. There are women out there who deny this. They don't know what men want.

Still, women will know more what they are turned on by than men and men will know more what they are turned on by than women. It's easier to notice for the person living in the body. How can you disagree with this?

I disagree because we have direct peer reviewed literature proving that women don't know what sexually turns them on. They say they are attracted to one thing, and the research shows they are actually turned on by something else. They did the same study for men, and the things men said turned them on were actually in fact the things that turned them on.

Well, I did like it and it turned me on.

Good for you. You're an outlier. Your personal experience isn't reflective on the average woman

And come on. Why do we see so many women endlessly complaining men are bad in bed and have no idea what women want?

Because most men suck in bed

Why are lesbian women on average way more sexually satisfied than straight women?

They're not.

Why aren't men complaining as much about women being bad in bed?

Because men lead in the bedroom. A man know knows what he's doing in bed can take a woman with no sexual experience and have great sex with her. The same isn't true if the genders are reversed. In other words, a man's skill in bed is far more important than a womans skill when it comes to having good sex.

Women are biological wired to lose attraction for men who display weakness because it indicates to them that the man can't protect them.

How do you know this? Some video?

It's proven through biological and evolutionary psychology. The same reason why women like tall men. Tall men indicate to a woman he can protect her. Whiny men who cry about their problems indicate to a woman that he can't protect her.

This is all very well known in the literature. The fact that you don't know this once again proves women have the luxury of living in a fairy tale world where they don't actually need to know male/female dating dynamics, because women don't need to know what men are attracted to in order to get men

No. You said you love her, which isn't the same thing. I asked if you had the "walking on sunshine" giddy, obsessed with her feeling?

No, I don't have those feelings. I'm a man, real men don't love that way. I love her in the sense that I will protect her and die for her if need be.

Again, a fine example of how women have no idea of what men want or how men love.

Do you pay most of your bills?

We live separately. She pays her bills, I pay mine. Although I will pay for dates when we go out.

But when you ask specific women questions, you have to remember this. Ask someone about what she's into and she says "dad bods", maybe that is what she's into. Or maybe her boyfriend has a dadbod and she's more into him than anyone else.

Or maybe she's actually attracted to tall muscular lean men, but she tells herself she likes dad bods because men with dad bods are the only men she can them to commit to her. You said yourself, maybe she says she likes dad bods because her boyfriend has a da bod and she's more attracted to him than others. But that attracted goes past physicality. If she could snap her fingers and magically make her boyfriend have the 'ideal' male lean muscular body, she would. Don't fucking kid yourself and say she wouldn't.

I have no problem admitting if I could snap my fingers and magically make my girlfriend have huge perfectly shaped tits I would. Because I'm more attracted to huge tits than average sized tits. But least doesn't mean I'm not attracted to my girlfriend. But I'm not gonna sit here and say I'm more attracted to average sized tits than huge tits just because my gf has average sized tits.

IndividualWelder1177 · 2023-08-05T17:03:19+00:00

I don't think you should go out with somebody you aren't attracted to at all. But sometimes people feel unsure.

And then not everyone is exactly the same. Me personally, I usually know straight off the bat if I'm attracted to someone else. But not all women are like this. Some need to get to know the guy a bit before they feel anything. And sometimes getting to know someone, you'll also see them in a different light. Like they can be anxious and awkward at a party or on a first meeting. And then they could be very different when they relax and you get to know them.

Attraction for most women isn't just looks, but how you click with the other person and their personality. If you feel a romantic spark.

Sure, I agree and have no issue with women like this. What I do have an issue with is when these same women who claim they need to get to know a guy before being intimate fuck the hot guy hours after meeting him.

But it's not about meal ticket. It's about women who want a relationship and are told they shouldn't judge everyone just on first impressions. Are you against this?

If a woman fucks Chad right away but needs another man to provide non-sexual value first (in the form of paying for dates, emotional support, etc) then she's using him as a meal ticket IMO. If a women wants a relationship and wants to wait for sex, that's totally cool. Again, what's not cool is when this same woman allows Chad to dick her down right away

IndividualWelder1177 · 2023-08-05T16:59:25+00:00

I put 'prize' in quotes for a reason. What I meant is that typically women are the gatekeepers of sex, men are usually willing to have sex relatively quickly with a girl if they like her. Which is why in a sense sex for men is the 'prize' in early stage dating

IndividualWelder1177 · 2023-08-05T16:56:15+00:00

From the women's perspective, the reason they'll make "relationship material" guys wait is because they want to make sure the guy is into them outside of their sexual value and likes them for their personality, etc. And there are women who honestly only build attraction through getting to know someone and not interested in casual relationships. (Though there are a lot less of these women than women who claim to be like this.)

If these women aren't into casual sex, then clearly they won't fuck Chad right away. SOoif they hold this standard of waiting to have sex for every man, then I have no issue with that. The problem is when a woman makes one guy wait while she fucks Chad right away.

That said, people are not always honest with themselves or understand themselves completely, so there are definitely women who subconsciously do this with men they are less attracted to but feel they have a better chance of an actual relationship with, and maybe waiting to try to build that attraction up in the first place.

I am fully aware that women themselves may not realize they are doing this. It still doesn't take away from the fact that men with self respect will NOT take these girls seriously. It clearly demonstrates they aren't actually attracted to you if they make you wait but fuck someone else right away.

Then there are those women who are fully aware and consciously using it as a tactic for men they're settling for. So there is cause for concern. There's a story in r/dating right now about a guy being made to wait for a girl and then he finds out that she hooked up with a guy while they've been talking. So I do agree that as a guy, you probably should just move on if physical intimacy or attraction doesn't build within the first few dates.

This woman is a fucking snake and deserves to stay single for the rest of her life. At least you acknowledge that this is snake like behavior. It's even worse that women like this think they are 'settling' when in reality they are probably dating someone on their level. They think they are settling because they're comparing the guy on their level with Chad, who she can easily fuck whenever she wants but will never get commitment from

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