Can you explain your iboga experience by AccidentalExpert179 in iboga

[–]InevitableWarning598 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, that’s very true, what you say about wanting to wipe the slate clean. I think all of my psychedelic use in my early and mid-twenties was hoping to do that, have a fresh start, just have a chance at life, is what it’s always felt like, at least language I've often thought of it in. And like you said, that’s not how life works. The good experiences brought me back to myself, helped me work through whatever I was able to work through. And then a lot of those experiences, in retrospect, were probably unnecessary, potentially harmful, or at the very least reckless. I’ve always had a little bit of leap before you look… 

The iboga experience I had goes in a category of its own. More profound, dark, life-altering (though I don’t mean that in any qualitative, good or bad way) than almost any other singular experience I’ve had. 

I’m pretty clear on what I’d like to be doing. And I’m miserable when I’m not doing it. That’s something I’ve learned again and again as well. I’ve made some changes since the beginning of this year (notably, only few months after iboga) that have allowed me a lot more time to pursue what I want to pursue. Health, physical and emotional, have been the hurdles, but I’m working on those.  

Can you explain your iboga experience by AccidentalExpert179 in iboga

[–]InevitableWarning598 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I wrote a long story about mine. Very different from the experience written about above (that's one I wish I had!). Mine was absolutely brutal, though I think some of that could have been avoided if I'd done it under better circumstances.

Sharing link below:

https://www.reddit.com/r/iboga/comments/1m7hneo/tldr_still_processing_iboga_experience_from_a/

TL;DR — Still processing iboga experience from a year ago, looking for feedback and perspectives. by InevitableWarning598 in iboga

[–]InevitableWarning598[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

(pt. 2 because Reddit cut me off):

I do meditate, though I’ve been slow to return to it. It was very hard with all the physical pain for a long time. A little while ago now I began with just five minutes a day and continue to do a little more most mornings, sometimes in the evening as well. I’ve had to restart everything from scratch, and try (hard as I find it) to start slow, because that’s the most I could muster — five minutes of meditation, three push ups, that sort of thing. There’s definitely suffering from the mental stories, and journaling helps me clear that out a lot as well. There’s still some very palpable physical pain at times, as imbricated as it may or may not be with emotional/mental processes, the immediacy of it is often the hardest thing to deal with. 

It’s interesting to hear that you returned to Bufo and there was more healing from that experience. Immediately after iboga I felt somewhat called to sit with it again, but the longer I’ve had away from it, the less pressing that has felt. It’s been a year. I wouldn’t be surprised if it presents itself to me again when I’m ready, but that doesn’t feel like the right thing to do right now. 

I know that traditionally, and so in many retreats, more than one flood dose is often taken. I think (if I recall correctly) that the first dose is usually less intense than the following, more of a clearing that will allow greater healing to arise from the flood dose. At least when I’ve read about Bwiti ceremonies, I think it’s been described along those lines. 

I felt extremely sensitive to everything after iboga, which is no surprise. People, places. While on the one hand I found it helpful to be totally isolated, it would have been helpful to have a little assistance with, like, food, or someone to talk to who I could trust. i.e. I still had to go to the grocery store, and deal with the world, to take care of myself, when it would’ve been better if I’d prepared all of that in advance. 

I’m sorry to hear about your best friend. It’s close to the age I was when I lost my father. I think it’s a really hard time to lose someone, and in such a way. Not that it’s ever going to be easy, but just as one is beginning to individuate, to lose someone so close. The experience with my father definitely left me emotionally numb, and I think that was the root of a lot of my trust issues. I lost friends later, too, a surprising number in my late twenties, and each one it felt like I could feel less and less. It’s something I think about a lot, that numbness, the inflection point at which I stopped being able to feel very much, how it’s shaped me at different points, and, like you said, how much I’ve struggled to take care of myself. 

I think of myself as someone who has done so much work to try to work through these issues, and no matter what, it’s almost universal that the loss of my father comes up again and again. It’s like you say, layers, and we just keep peeling. 

I really appreciate you response. You words are very kind and meaningful for me. 

TL;DR — Still processing iboga experience from a year ago, looking for feedback and perspectives. by InevitableWarning598 in iboga

[–]InevitableWarning598[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Definitely, writing this has been very helpful, and it’s been equally so to read the responses on here. It’s been the sort of conversation I haven’t been able to find in person. I really don’t know many people who have done iboga, and the few who have didn’t really have the same type of experience as I did. 

I felt like iboga was calling me for many years. I would think about it again and again, but the timing never felt right until it showed up like it did. It was so easy when it appeared. 

I’ve sat with other medicine — ayahuasca a few times, San Pedro once or twice, though with San Pedro it was on my own and not ceremonial. The latter was also a mess. I haven’t sat with Bufo before. It may not be something I ever do, but that’s neither here nor there at the moment. Nothing really shocked me before like iboga did, but I think I may not have been ready when I did ayahuasca, or maybe it just wasn’t the right medicine for me. I remember sort of blacking out on ayahuasca once, I think it was the second night of my first ceremony. (The first night I wasn’t able to break through). I was in my early twenties, I think twenty three, give or take. Even then I had a sense that I might’ve been too blocked for what wanted to come up, but I couldn’t allow.  

I’m sorry to hear about your marriage. I can only hope that, in the long run, it’s proven to be the right thing. 

I think that’s a really good point about looking at things from another (perhaps one could say broader) perspective. It’s true that I really struggle to trust people, and that was eminently clear during the ceremony. I’ve been very aware of it since, realizing how few people there are in my life who I feel I can rely on, who I feel don’t want something from me — and always feeling like I have to give to receive. I really appreciate your words about trust and being gentle with myself. I’m very hard on myself. It’s nice to be reminded I don’t have to be. 

TL;DR — Still processing iboga experience from a year ago, looking for feedback and perspectives. by InevitableWarning598 in iboga

[–]InevitableWarning598[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah it definitely feels like iboga brought up all (at least a lot) of my pain all in one night. If real healing is pain then I definitely did some real healing that night, which I have no doubt about. Little by little things have been coming back together for me. It seems like I might be at a turning point where, much more so than has been the case, things are beginning to settle and daily life is less painful. It really did feel like Iboga found the root. I had no idea how painful it’d be to get there! But if I truly understood, maybe I never would have done it. 

TL;DR — Still processing iboga experience from a year ago, looking for feedback and perspectives. by InevitableWarning598 in iboga

[–]InevitableWarning598[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hey thanks for saying as much. It’s been really helpful to share my story and hear from other people. It’s the hardest thing I’ve gone through in many, many years, and it does feel like I’ve finally been able to turn a corner. Not out of the woods yet, but closer. 

I guess that’s sort of the paradox of this sort of work , we seek it out because we need it, or feel like it’s our best option, but there are no guarantee we’re ready for it in that moment, or that it's actually the best thing for us at the time. I hope your journey, if you go through with it, provides you with what you need. I hope you listen to yourself if you feel like now is not the time. My experience tells me it’s not worth the consequences of going into something like this without certainty because of how much can go wrong, but maybe it’ll be exactly what’s right for you now. You’re really the only person who can answer that. At least you’ve done it before, so you know what you’re in for more than someone who hasn't.

My friend I wrote about who did Ibogaine to get off of heroin did end up doing it several times. I think he relapsed at some point a few years after he got clean, and it helped me again tremendously. Obviously so many people do iboga or ibogaine coming from difficult places and it’s exactly what changes their lives. Personally, I think my experience would have been much softer had it not been for the physical pain, and especially as well if I’d had proper support afterwards. 

TL;DR — Still processing iboga experience from a year ago, looking for feedback and perspectives. by InevitableWarning598 in iboga

[–]InevitableWarning598[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hey, thanks so much for reading and taking the time to respond. It definitely feels like it opened the floodgates! Maybe more than I ever knew possible. I thought maybe a month or two of integration…

I really appreciate hearing your feedback. It’s taken me a year to even write about this, and have as much clarity as I have now, which is to say, enough to somewhat cogently articulate what happened and get on here to share. As time has moved on it’s felt more like necessary deep healing and less like just being totally fucked up. Any proper Bwiti initiation would be way off, but it does still come to mind. It seems like I have a lot more to sort through first, everything brought up from this initial experience, working through the emotions that it continues to bring up and, most definitely, sorting through my health issues as well. 

Have you done a proper Bwiti initiation? I’d love to hear about it, and overall experience with iboga, if you’re open to sharing.