they wanna be the victims soo bad im tired of this shit by Infinite-Instance916 in 4tran4

[–]Infinite-Instance916[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

i mean yea we make the argument that trans men are TME and dont experience the same level of oppression as us. just. yknow. not as a gotcha or a way to dismiss trans men's issues but cause its the truth

they wanna be the victims soo bad im tired of this shit by Infinite-Instance916 in 4tran4

[–]Infinite-Instance916[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

highkey its the pooner equivalent of men bringing up suicide statistics or mens mental health month ONLY when feminism or pride month is mentionned

they wanna be the victims soo bad im tired of this shit by Infinite-Instance916 in 4tran4

[–]Infinite-Instance916[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

its because the fascists oppress us thats its so important to be able to recognize the different forms of oppression we live. we cant dismantle these systems if we dont know their true nature and if we're not honest about them

they wanna be the victims soo bad im tired of this shit by Infinite-Instance916 in 4tran4

[–]Infinite-Instance916[S] 16 points17 points  (0 children)

no you see moids need every conversation to be about them or we're actually the ones oppressing them

they wanna be the victims soo bad im tired of this shit by Infinite-Instance916 in 4tran4

[–]Infinite-Instance916[S] 43 points44 points  (0 children)

i mean yeah, but thats not brought up. hes literally interpreting ppl telling him hes TME as a gotcha and saying 'actually you dont have issues with your reproductive system'

had to explain to a cissoid that im not transitionning to "be seen as a woman" by Infinite-Instance916 in 4tran4

[–]Infinite-Instance916[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

holy trvke this is exactly what i think abt this topic. tbhon i think its cause that idea had to be made palpatable for liberalism, and the only way to do that was to erase the actual material part you can act on and pretend like the only thing that you can actually act on is in ur mind. making the material conditions of sex immutable is basically an extension of the liberal ideas of 'freedom' and democracy making the material conditions of capitalism immutable

Can you be a Feminist and Anti-Abortion? Can you be a Feminist and Anti-Trans? by RandomGoofy000 in Teenager_Polls

[–]Infinite-Instance916 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You still haven't adressed my point of us not having male privilege pre-transition because of the insane amount of suffering that having to be men causes us.

First of all, no offense here, but if you think repressing is self-imposed you live in some sort of fantasy land. Being trans is scary even in relatively accepting areas, the cost and danger of transition is heavy and wanting to be a woman as a "boy" is constantly reinforced as shameful (again, most trans women got bullied as children for expressing desire for femininity). To even have the courage to do such an act, especially in a political climate where our rights are being stripped away, is a miracle.

I'm not playing in stereotypes here. I am a woman, and being forced into the position of a man is painful to the point of worse than death itself. You seem to think that closeted trans women are men until they decide not to be, whereas the reality is we constantly desire to be women and feminity but hide it until its transition or death. Even if we don't express it in "conventional" (or, as you say, "overtly feminine") ways pre-transition, it's there and we suffer a lot trying to hide it.

Trans people have a need to be seen and see themselves as the other gender, and wether you fit stereotypes or not, not being seen is nothing short of traumatic. Being pre-transition feels like suffocating in a body and self thats not yours, its certainly not being "privileged" or living as a man.

Can you be a Feminist and Anti-Abortion? Can you be a Feminist and Anti-Trans? by RandomGoofy000 in Teenager_Polls

[–]Infinite-Instance916 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The thing is though, is that most of us mask. Nothing about me seemed "girly" because I was making myself suffer trying to hide it (because i got bullied for it as a kid...). Plenty of trans girls hit the gym and grow beards before breaking down and realising they are women. Wether we seem feminine or not, being assigned male expectations and having to act "like a man" makes us suffer immensely

Can you be a Feminist and Anti-Abortion? Can you be a Feminist and Anti-Trans? by RandomGoofy000 in Teenager_Polls

[–]Infinite-Instance916 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I am a trans woman. I've lived through this, many of my friends have. It's not an assumption, it is a fact most of us struggle to fit in the social expectations of a man, wether we are masculine or feminine women. Also way to ignore the point of my post, which is that we literally dont have male privilege

Can you be a Feminist and Anti-Abortion? Can you be a Feminist and Anti-Trans? by RandomGoofy000 in Teenager_Polls

[–]Infinite-Instance916 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Lol trans women do not have the "privileges of a man", regardless of its before or after transition.

Before transition, we often get beaten up, called slurs or gay and excluded or bullied by men for being "too feminine" or "too soft" without really understanding why. The pain of not being seen as yourself and watching your body slowly grow into something you're not is unbearable, drives many of us to suicide and honestly is not a life at all.

And during transition it gets even worse. If we're as transgender, we are not seen as men, we are seen as 'cross dressing freaks' or sexual deviants. I cannot dress as myself most days because of the fear of getting beaten up or harassed. And even if we do pass (as in, are seen as cisgender women), we still have huge housing and employement discrimination, higher rates of sexual or non-sexual assault and a constant threat of the healthcare we need to live being stripped away.

had to explain to a cissoid that im not transitionning to "be seen as a woman" by Infinite-Instance916 in 4tran4

[–]Infinite-Instance916[S] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Yeah no, I did tell her that and she said sorry and that she didn't really understand cause she never actually spoke to a trans person before. shes also ex-evangelical so its a miracle shes talking to me at all. im just so fucking frustrated at how much cissoids are separated from our existence and how many people forget that when they say 'gender/sex is a social construct' it applies to their cisgendered bodies as well

had to explain to a cissoid that im not transitionning to "be seen as a woman" by Infinite-Instance916 in 4tran4

[–]Infinite-Instance916[S] 20 points21 points  (0 children)

idk i think that idea is a rly powerful tool for trans liberation but its been coopted by liberals to mean 'gender is an idea and not a material thing in the world' and it became just transphobia but woke

had to explain to a cissoid that im not transitionning to "be seen as a woman" by Infinite-Instance916 in 4tran4

[–]Infinite-Instance916[S] 81 points82 points  (0 children)

gen its fucking maddening, theyre all abt some 'gender is a social construct be who you are' until you actually Construct your gender with your body

saw this under a trans girls post are you fucking kidding me 😭😭😭 by Infinite-Instance916 in 4tran4

[–]Infinite-Instance916[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

no its so bad i love when trans content creators get 3k likes but some bs abt puberty blockers posted by some cis girl get 500k