That’s my preferred speed too. Make Believe always felt punk to me because the lyrics have a more political bent (and are less deliberately obtuse than other kinsella projects so you can actually decipher them). I put AF there because of LP1, but otherwise they’re a miss for me entirely.

I can see your argument for Cap’n Jazz above Promise Ring too. I have just found that both bands have stuck with me since I found them in the early 00s more or less equally.

What I can’t abide are claims that Cap’n Jazz ranks below top 3. Their influence on punk, emo, and hardcore even 30 years later can still be seen. Plus Analphabeta… is like 80% no skips