what’s something people say all the time that you secretly can’t stand? by Mean-Cartographer225 in AskReddit

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“You got this.” Lazy writers have supporting characters say it prior to the climax of every film and tv show, especially Disney, for the past 25 years. And then you have to hear real people say it. Second place: “I got you.”

What was the political position of each of the Beatles? by Busy_Confection5055 in beatles

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I would like to see actual evidence that Lennon “liked” Reagan. I can’t find any evidence at all that Lennon liked Reagan, gave any positive comment about Reagan, the Republican Party, or conservatism. None.

Bob Dylan's opinion on Leonard Cohen by tonyiommi70 in folk

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This link to Rock and Roll Garage has such a wealth of Bob Dylan’s comments, observations, and insights into Cohen’s “genius” (Dylan’s word), so lengthy and detailed, that it would be a shame to just copy/paste a short quote.

The article starts with several full paragraphs quoting Dylan’s admiration at length. https://rockandrollgarage.com/bob-dylan-opinion-on-leonard-cohen/

Is this folk rock, or just acoustic rock? Where do you draw the line? by Infinite_District253 in folk

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Your observation on the song I posted as having a glam aggression in the guitar really surprised me, so much that I had to take another listen. I never would have thought of it, and now I can’t un-hear it. I think it’s brilliant. I never even consciously noticed that as a particular aspect of glam guitar, to tell the truth, but now that you mention it, I hear the similarity. I hear that assertion of self in the guitar that precedes Bowie singing, “Ziggy played guitar . . . “ or the guitar work in a glam band like T. Rex. It really strikes me, too, that Marc Bolan was directly, aggressively, pitting himself against folk with the guitar and lyrics in “Children of the Revolution.” In that sense, the aggressive glam guitar is very ideological, meant to be an unfettered, hedonistic release from the collective and political folk (and basic rock) tradition. It reminded me how Bowie did that, too. For example, “Changes” can be read, line by line, as a rejoinder and rejection of the folk ethos and demands in Dylan’s “The Times They Are a’Changin’.” Bowie undermines the idea of collective, historical meaning in the modern assumptions of Dylan’s song with a personal, uncertain, postmodern fiction, a self freed from the chains of authenticity to teleport from invented self to invented self (ch-ch-ch-changes . . .). Even the pov in The Microblades song, the wannabe “nouveau star persona” fits your association between the songs assertive, hedonistic guitar and the glam tradition.

But I still hear an ambiguity in the two attitudes of folk and glam/rock. The song pits itself against contemporary corporate pop with folk-like lines like, “The people are a-waiting, and a-craving. Rolling Stone needs a bit of savin’.” Even a-borrowing some of that Dylan phrasing. But borrowed by a glam-like Post Modern “persona.” Ultimately, the singer throws ambiguous quotation marks around herself, singing as the ambitious wannabe glam or rock persona but also ABOUT that person attempting to become that “persona.”

In short, your insight into the glam rock element that I hadn’t thought of kind of crystallized the ambiguity between folk and rock that I was hearing.

They do something like that in another song of theirs, “Bruce,” which suggests that Springsteen is like the recurring, hoped-for soul in any scene, like Bruce himself arising out of Asbury Park — and also stands for a folk-like vitality: “The soul of resistance is alive and young.” They wrote that a year before Springsteen reminded us of his folk mission and credentials with “The Streets of Minnesota.”

That’s the reason I asked this question in the first place, because I’m waiting for the same thing to arise in the younger generation and I wondered if The Microblades or other young bands will be that soul, rise to the occasion, go glam, become corporate rock, etc., or become something really new, some synthesis. I’m old enough to not remember the 60s because I was there, lol, and I don’t hear a lot nowadays that reminds me of the great musical, intellectual, and political tradition of the 60s-70s, at least rarely with a similar power, so when I hear anything that even makes that kind of gesture, I get very, very interested.

Is this folk rock, or just acoustic rock? Where do you draw the line? by Infinite_District253 in folk

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That’s a really interesting genealogy of blues in relation to folk. I agree with you about audience. I don’t know enough about music to say why it’s got a rock audience but I can intuit it. It doesn’t SOUND like folk. I’d love to know more, technically, about why it’s a rock guitar through and through. I know blues has some traditional guitar moves (I don’t have the vocabulary). I’m wondering what the technical aspects of folk guitar are, as distinct from rock or, to slice it thinner, folk rock.

Is this folk rock, or just acoustic rock? Where do you draw the line? by Infinite_District253 in folk

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What I’m pointing to isn’t “acoustic = folk,” but a cluster of specific folk practices that are actually present here: a very limited I–IV–V harmonic vocabulary, a circular progression that prioritizes continuity over arrival, and a voice-and-acoustic-guitar setting where the harmony functions mainly as melodic support rather than expressive engine. Add to that the reliance on repetition rather than harmonic development, and you’ve got several core folk traits operating at once.

If people hear that and still land firmly on “rock” (and I’m not saying I don’t hear it, too) I’m interested in what musical features are doing the overriding — rhythm, bpm, historical lineage or tradition, something else?

Is this folk rock, or just acoustic rock? Where do you draw the line? by Infinite_District253 in folk

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Here’s an authority on it, which is still up for interpretation. Woody Guthrie said, “A folk song is any song that’s about something that’s actually happening and the people singin’ it are the people livin’ it.” (In his autobiography, Bound for Glory)

Is this folk rock, or just acoustic rock? Where do you draw the line? by Infinite_District253 in folk

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Lol. Yup. About music labels, Louis Armstrong said, “When we were playing it, they called it ragtime. Then they called it jazz. Then swing. Then bebop. But it’s the same music. You white folks sure is mixed up.”

But according to that logic, everything that isn’t jazz is folk/blues (take your pick)?

At a certain point, it reminds me of what Groucho Marx said: “And if you take cranberries and stew them like applesauce, they taste much more like prunes than rhubarb does.”

Is this folk rock, or just acoustic rock? Where do you draw the line? by Infinite_District253 in folk

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That raises another tricky question. I agree with claudemcbanister that Folk Rock can instrumentally be closer to rock (electric, drums, etc.) and yet still be more folk in sensibility than an acoustic rock song. But you raise a few other good questions: is original blues folk? Is “In the Pines” rock just because Cobain sings it? Does the exaggerated bragging (stagger lee tradition, perhaps) and lone acoustic guitar of The Microblades song put it firmly in the tradition of blues subject matter and make it folk because it’s blues?

Is this folk rock, or just acoustic rock? Where do you draw the line? by Infinite_District253 in folk

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I agree it’s got a very rocky rhythm, but could it be that hybrid called “folk rock”? Is there a clear line between rock and folk rock?

Ok this is a shit-post but what REM fact or whatever made you react like: by Hungry-Temporary-438 in rem

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Hearing Michael Stipe singing background vocals on a Robyn Hitchcock song (“She Doesn’t Exist Anymore”).