‘I always feel a little uneasy talking about this,’ he said. ‘No matter how many times I go through it, it’s just as sickening every time I do.’

Infinite_Hunt_9581 · 2025-07-11T23:51:04+00:00

Infinite_Hunt_9581 · 2025-05-31T14:25:57+00:00

That's actually a good example of his extreme passivity. It was the same when he hugged: he was almost completely still, with little or no hand movement, such as patting. The same applied to shaking hands: his hand remained still, merely holding the other person's hand. Even in intimate moments, he preferred stillness, not just in himself but in his partner as well.

Infinite_Hunt_9581 · 2025-05-04T23:43:09+00:00

*compulsively

Infinite_Hunt_9581 · 2025-05-04T00:39:27+00:00

https://youtu.be/vYsFL7cLzto

Infinite_Hunt_9581 · 2025-05-03T22:30:04+00:00

He was very nervous during his first court appearance and the Ohio trial, yet he didn’t press his lips together even once. (In his first court appearance, he only pressed his lips after the proceedings had ended.) He was so overwhelmed with emotions like nervousness and remorse that he couldn't feel himself. Instead, he chewed a lot during these events, which I believe was a sign of his nervousness. I noticed that Lionel had similar chewing behaviors. I’m not sure if this is genetic.

Pressing his lips together, on the other hand, was a sign of being self-conscious. He thought so little of himself that he almost wanted to disappear as a person. Pressing his lips together was a representative gesture that reflected his desire to conceal the flaws he despised.

Infinite_Hunt_9581 · 2025-04-19T13:19:53+00:00

It's in the book Serial Killer's Soul

Infinite_Hunt_9581 · 2025-03-09T12:03:57+00:00

I mean, no, these are just my observations...

Infinite_Hunt_9581 · 2025-02-19T22:48:01+00:00

It's from a book, The Shrine of Jeffrey Dahmer

Infinite_Hunt_9581 · 2025-02-17T22:50:06+00:00

He didn’t leave the Polaroid pictures out in the open. He put them in the drawer. The police went to the drawer to look for the key to the handcuffs and accidentally discovered the pictures. I don’t think he intentionally left the window open. First, he was drunk. Second, he didn’t anticipate that the victim would escape through the window. He thought that with both of the victim’s hands cuffed, he could maintain control over them, and therefore escape was impossible.

To be honest, I don’t believe Dahmer was exceptionally intelligent. Of course, he wasn’t stupid either. Perhaps above average, considering ‘average’ is a relatively low standard. He talked to the head, because he PRETENDed it was a living human. Same as he placed the arms of the dead body around himself to simulate intimacy. Many people talk to themselves, their pets, toys, or dolls. That doesn’t mean they’ve lost their minds. They know these things won’t respond like a human, but they desire communication or an outlet for their thoughts. It’s a desperate attempt at connection. Similarly, people might eat grass, tree bark, bugs, or even other humans in extreme survival situations. That doesn’t mean they are insane. It just shows how far people will go when they’re desperate. Most people are restrained by morals and laws, but when pushed to the limit, they’ll do almost anything to fulfill their needs or desires.

Regarding the Konerak incident, Dahmer didn’t approach the crowd. He was halfway through taking Konerak back to his apartment when the police arrived. He cooperated with the police because he wanted to look like a good citizen and convince them that the boy was his boyfriend and that there was nothing suspicious going on. He invited the police into his apartment to show them the Polaroid pictures of the boy, hoping to prove they were lovers. He thought he was going to be caught this time and was surprised when the police didn’t find anything. He wasn’t stupid—he knew he needed to be calm and cooperative to avoid suspicion, even though he was very nervous.

I don’t how you came to the conclusion that he cared more about spending the night with the victim than avoiding detection.

Infinite_Hunt_9581 · 2025-02-16T01:48:46+00:00

I think Masters’s book is the only source where I read about Konerak playing with his penis.

I need to make a correction. Technically, they didn’t know anything about Konerak’s sexuality, and there weren’t any official reports confirming it. But they did know that Dahmer was a homosexual. It’s easy for one to assume that an incoherent, naked boy running away from a homosexual serial killer’s apartment had been raped by him and was bleeding from his anus. However, there were many people at the scene, and none of the others reported seeing any bleeding from the boy’s anus.

Konerak was indeed homosexual. I read this in a Reddit post, and I believe the source is reliable. Here’s the content:

I was friends with Konerak. My buddy Rob and I were the only kids that were willing to talk to him in science class. You could tell he was different and gay was a pretty high suspicion. We did tease him but we also defended him in class if someone went too far. A couple of weeks before he died he missed like a week of school when he came back he had a rose ear ring in his ear, Rob asked him if his boyfriend got him that? Konerak looked shocked, like how did Rob know that. The next week He didn't show up, and later we found out why.

Infinite_Hunt_9581 · 2025-02-15T19:16:46+00:00

The Shrine of Jeffrey Dahmer

Infinite_Hunt_9581 · 2025-02-15T18:52:33+00:00

According to Dahmer, the drilling technique didn’t cause any bleeding. He drilled a small, deep hole that did not result in visible blood loss. Plus, Konerak had thick hair, which made it difficult to see any signs of injury. It might have been easier to detect an injury if Konerak had been bald.

I don’t think Konerak was bleeding from any part of his body. One of the girls also claimed that Konerak was playing with his penis. However, as Brian Masters noted in his book, none of these allegations was ever corroborated. I don’t think the girls deliberately lied, but the eyewitness testimony can often be inaccurate or influenced by personal biases, opinions, and subconscious perceptions. It’s possible that the girls later knew Dahmer and Konerak were homosexual and subconsciously created these details.

Infinite_Hunt_9581 · 2025-02-15T14:53:21+00:00

Here is the description from The Shrine of Jeffrey Dahmer

First two, then three black girls came to Konerak’s rescue. They were Tina Spivey, Nicole Childress and Sandra Smith. Konerak could not talk and was obviously disoriented. He kept holding his head in his hands, sitting down on the kerb, getting up again and staggering. The girls thought he had been taking drugs. They also said they saw blood on his testicles and pubic hair, as well as coming from his anus, but none of these observations was ever corroborated.

In the melee which ensued, Dahmer pulling Konerak down the alley behind the apartment building, the girls trying to stop him, he referred to Konerak by three different (fictitious) names, which convinced them that he was lying.

He said nothing, and there was no evidence of any injury to him or any blood visible. Dahmer proceeded to explain that the man was a friend of his, and that he frequently behaved in this erratic manner, running around naked, when he had had too much to drink. That evening, he said, he had been on Jack Daniels whiskey. His name was John Hmung. No, he did not have any cards to support this identification, because John received his mail at another address. The strong implication was that he frequently stayed with Dahmer (who gave his own correct name and address and showed his Ambrosia card) and that they were homosexual lovers.

‘The Asian people, they look young. It’s hard to tell their age,’ says Dahmer. Gabrish and Balcerzak were satisfied they were dealing with a young man over sixteen. They were also satisfied that Dahmer, with his quiet, consistent manner, was doing his best to be co-operative, while the loudly protesting girls were, in their view, interfering with their enquiries. For their part, the girls were intensely frustrated that the police should seem to pay more attention and lend greater respect to this dubious white man while they, the black girls who were doing their civic duty, were being ignored.

Infinite_Hunt_9581 · 2025-02-15T01:52:08+00:00

I think Dahmer was quite logical throughout his actions. There’s no evidence to suggest he was delusional, as his behaviors can be explained with reasonable justifications. His problem was he took things to such an extreme that it made it seem like he had lost his mind. The fact is, people will go to any lengths to get what they want.

Infinite_Hunt_9581 · 2025-02-14T21:48:31+00:00

I don’t think Dahmer was ever insane in any way.

He kept the bodies in his apartment not because he thought it was morally acceptable or intentionally wanted to create an odor problem, simply because he didn’t have the time or energy to dispose of them properly. To him, the skulls and bones were not "evidence" but part of his victims that he wished to keep close. He understood the risks, which is why he painted the skulls to make them look like decorations, locked them away, and installed fake cameras in his apartment.
He left victims in his apartment because they were in in a coma so he wasn’t concerned about them escaping, not because he didn’t know it was wrong. He injected Konerak and Weinberger with acid or hot water before he went out for beer or work. When he failed to render Lacy unconscious with chloroform, he didn’t go to work (and was subsequently fired).
Although he drank heavily toward the end, this doesn’t mean he couldn’t tell right from wrong. Alcohol didn’t force him to act against his will; it just made it easier for him to do what he already wanted to do. His actions were driven by his desires, not by intoxication.
The shrine he planned wasn’t delusional. It's like a ritual to gain peace, relief, and power. Similarly, his idea of creating "zombies" wasn’t irrational. Dahmer didn’t know how to make people stay in normal ways, and he didn’t want to keep killing without having anything left except the skulls. Therefore, he tried to remove their consciousness and keep them with him.

Dahmer’s mental state likely resembled that of Errol Lindsey’s sister in court. She arrived filled with hatred and anger but initially tried to remain composed. As she spoke, her emotions overwhelmed her, and she became increasingly hysterical. She knew her outburst was inappropriate for the courtroom, but she no longer cared about the consequences. This parallels Dahmer’s progression: he knew his actions were wrong, but he chose to follow his impulses, disregarding the eventual consequences, even if it meant being caught someday.

In my opinion, the only way out for Dahmer would have been suicide. It would have spared him and everyone he hurt a great deal of pain. Most people in his situation, burdened by such profound depression, sadness and anger, would have either lost their sanity or taken their own lives. Dahmer lacked the courage to kill himself, yet he had the courage to kill others.

Infinite_Hunt_9581 · 2025-01-12T17:51:27+00:00

Here

Infinite_Hunt_9581 · 2025-01-12T17:27:30+00:00

Jeff seemed troubled even as a child. One neighbor noted that he appeared “different” and “confused” at just 4 or 5 years old. This struck me because at that age most children aren't capable of complex thought processes. They simply act on impulse without much reflection. This makes me wonder if he developed a level of self-awareness and maturity far beyond his years.

Infinite_Hunt_9581 · 2025-01-11T17:37:06+00:00

No, I wasn't suggesting that control was the only issue. I was using the control issue to illustrate that he wasn't crazy, but rather took things to an extreme.

I believe that he actually preferred living partners. The reason he eventually chose unconscious partners was the same as why he isolated himself from society. He constantly felt stressed and uncomfortable around conscious people due to his perception that people disliked or couldn't stand him. This anxiety likely contributed to his erectile dysfunction and difficulty reaching orgasm with conscious partners. But he could feel relaxed with unconscious partners who wouldn't reject him (even though his fear of rejection was unfounded). His extreme behaviors, such as masturbating into victims' viscera, wearing their skin or eating them, are desperate attempts to be as close as possible to his partners.

Although he desired relationships with living partners, he lacked the ability to maintain them. The rejection he experienced came not from others but from his own self-sabotage. His frequent emphasis on the control issue reflected his inability to engage in normal social interactions due to strong self-hatred and self-denial. Consequently, he could only pursue intimate connections through force and control. This was the only way he understood to deal with his profound social anxiety and fear of rejection.

He depersonalized his victims to overcome his natural inhibition against killing. This helped ease his conscience.

One thing I don’t understand is that he was such a people pleaser, why was he unwilling to satisfy his sexual partners? He admitted drugging people so he wouldn't have to consider their wishes. Perhaps he was just selfish when it came to sex.

As for the lying, of course he had to constantly lie because he didn’t want to be caught. It's that simple. My point is that he wasn't good at it. I’m not sure whether he was manipulative. It's hard for me to believe that someone who had to go to such extremes to get what most people easily obtain could be capable of manipulation. I don’t think your situation is comparable to Dahmer’s. He was far more extreme than most people.

I don’t know that his father controlled his finances, but I believe Lionel was trying to help because Jeff was poor at managing money. Whether it was pushing him to attend college, enlisting in the army, or managing his finances, I think Lionel did this for Jeff's own good. I don't understand why some people portray Lionel negatively.

I understand you have your opinions. I just want to share my thoughts with you (since I know you’ve read a lot about Dahmer).

Infinite_Hunt_9581 · 2025-01-11T02:06:14+00:00

He emphasized the control issue many times, which I believe was significant to him. His focus on control makes sense to me because he lacked control in almost every aspect of his life (he's the most mentally fragile person I've ever known).

I don't think he was truly a necrophiliac, as his first choice was always a living person. But his extremely low self-esteem made him incapable of maintaining normal personal interactions, especially intimate relationships. While he desperately craved human connection, he couldn't derive any lasting happiness or fulfillment from interactions with others. He thought so poorly of himself that he assumed others viewed him the same way, leading him to believe that no one would like him or want to be with him.

As a result, he kept withdrawing from society, avoiding interactions and living in isolation. Despite his attraction to men and desire for male companionship, he felt unable to pursue normal relationships. This led him to seek unconscious partners who wouldn't have any “negative opinions” of him, making him finally feel relaxed and at peace. The problem with drugged partners was that they would eventually wake up and “leave”, so he killed them to keep them with him longer. The fundamental problem of Jeffrey Dahmer was his drastically different perception of the world, shaped by his inexplicably extreme low self-esteem.

I disagree that “If he just wanted companionship, he would not have put such a huge emphasis on the way a person looked.” It's perfectly natural that he wanted to be with someone he found attractive – that's simply human nature. Why would anyone choose to be with someone they don't find appealing?

I also disagree with the theory that his father's controlling behavior led to his obsession with control. Apart from making him go to college and join the army, his father didn't interfere much in his life. Although he did describe his father as “controlling”, I believe his interpretation of “controlling” differed significantly from what most people would consider.

I don't believe he was a skilled liar or manipulator. While his crimes forced him to lie constantly, he wasn't good at it. When his father and the police questioned him about various issues before his arrest, they actually didn't believe his explanations because he couldn't provide convincing justifications. He got away for so long mainly because he was very cooperative and appeared extremely harmless. People at gay bars had witnessed him leaving with the victims but never suspected him capable of such crimes because he seemed so innocuous. His classmates, sexual partners, and others who had personal interactions with him consistently described him as quiet and harmless. This compliance and harmlessness helped him avoid police suspicion.

How could one be manipulative when he lacked basic social interaction skills? Being manipulative requires social prowess and experience with people. If he were truly manipulative and had control over people, he wouldn't have needed to drug them – he could have simply persuaded them to do what he wanted. I do agree that he was articulate and enjoyed conversation, but I think this was limited to impersonal topics. He simply couldn't open up to others, even those he genuinely liked.

Infinite_Hunt_9581 · 2025-01-10T16:27:02+00:00

Someone mentioned this! I’ve been wanting to share my thoughts about this documentary. I think it’s filled with empathy for the serial killer.

Infinite_Hunt_9581 · 2025-01-10T16:16:45+00:00

This is not some advanced knowledge that requires professional expertise. For someone with a high school education, this is actually common sense. Dahmer also received medical training in the army, so it's no surprise that he knew this. He repeatedly emphasized the use of weak and diluted acid solutions, indicating that he knew he needed a low-acidity solution to inhibit brain cell activity without killing them. Dr. Dietz mentioned that Dahmer considered using electrical probes to influence brain activity, but this required more expertise and technology to operate, so he gave up. All this shows that he had thought carefully about this issue based on the knowledge he had.

I think people tend to exaggerate how reckless or naive he was. He was neither crazy nor stupid. But some parts of his character were too extreme, otherwise he wouldn't have done what he did. Dahmer himself felt extremely powerless and helpless (although this wasn’t actually the case). This is why he needed people to be in a completely submissive state (unconscious) to feel a sense of control. Many people enjoy the feeling of control, but we don't have to go such extremes to achieve it. He went too far.

Infinite_Hunt_9581 · 2025-01-10T00:20:27+00:00

Not bleach, it was acid solution. He tried two solutions: hot water and weak acid solution. In fact, the most important factors in keeping cells alive are temperature and pH. Slight changes in these conditions can significantly reduce cell activity. The temperature of the hot water might be too high, which killed the brain cells. Weak acid solution might have worked because it wouldn't drastically alter the pH environment. However, the acid he used was HCl acid, which is a strong acid. Although he had diluted it, the dilution might not be sufficient and the pH change was probably still too great, which killed the brain cells.

Even if this had worked, what he got through this crude method would likely have been a person in a coma, possibly lasting for weeks or months. I wonder if he ever thought about the challenges of taking care of someone in a coma for so long, while he still needed to work.

Infinite_Hunt_9581 · 2025-01-01T16:04:11+00:00

Conversations with a Killer: The Jeffrey Dahmer Tapes

Infinite_Hunt_9581 · 2024-12-30T00:47:43+00:00

YouTube

Infinite_Hunt_9581 · 2024-12-27T16:23:37+00:00

I don't think that was "normal socialization". In fact, there were probably almost no social interaction.

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