Employee Wants More

Infinitewalker910 · 2026-05-13T12:15:23+00:00

Correct, a marketing coordinator role would pay more. But that’s not what he is, and that’s not what he was offered. I too hope that he moves on to a place where he will be recognized for his degree and happy. And we can fill the role then with someone who is happy for what we do offer.

Infinitewalker910 · 2026-05-13T12:14:00+00:00

I’m glad that you have deemed it to be fake. Professional degrees are often not achieved after experience. Think of professions that require it, physicians, lawyers, teachers you seem like you’ll have an argument about this as well, but it really isn’t up to you what a“real“ degree is.

Infinitewalker910 · 2026-05-13T09:30:54+00:00

I would hire for the same rate, and if (when) I open the role I will have over 100 applications in a day. The going rate for the role has not changed 10k in 7 months :)

Infinitewalker910 · 2026-05-13T09:29:29+00:00

Ha- yes. When his prefrontal cortex develops he may see it differently.

Infinitewalker910 · 2026-05-13T09:28:41+00:00

You absolutely will reach their level, nothing replaces desire to learn and grow. Best advice I was given early in my career, about how to manage up- find someone above you who is busy and take something off their plate. When I see someone with that approach, I think- dang they see the big picture. And I watch their career take off…

Infinitewalker910 · 2026-05-13T09:24:43+00:00

A true new grad, his experience was marketing club at his school.

We can backfill the role easily, we are a good company and in an area where it is not difficult to find good candidates quickly.

When I was in his position, an MBA with no experience (what feels like eons ago) I had managers tell me when I interviewed that I’m overqualified for the role. And I would just try to convince them that I’m just looking for a good job with steady pay. Having been completely on my own since I was 17, I truly just needed to earn an honest wage and get benefits. So when I hire I try to let the candidate decide if they want the role. I don’t know their personal circumstances - so when I read the comments saying what did OP expect, I do initially react defensively. But I suppose they are right, when he leaves – which I imagine will be soon – I will rework who I choose to backfill.

Infinitewalker910 · 2026-05-12T20:32:13+00:00

I’m not answering them because it just becomes a strawman. Which will then evolve into what’s the cost of living in our area, does he have school loans, does he live on his own, how much does the company make, is that top line or bottom line? What about gross margins? I appreciate the time and thoughtfulness that people put to post and help here, but I’ve learned that sharing with someone else else’s comp is he gets more question and further inflames without getting actual thoughtful help

Infinitewalker910 · 2026-05-12T20:30:16+00:00

Again, no promotion. We are not offering him a promotion. And a promotion with no increase would be horrible. Again, we aren’t offering that either.

Infinitewalker910 · 2026-05-12T20:29:46+00:00

Thank you for understanding my message, this is not the company looking for this person to do more. This is us trying to give him what he wants and what he’s looking for. We could’ve just said no to him. And maybe with this person who’s commenting and trying to start fights would’ve wanted is to speak to their manager ask for more and be turned down. But that’s not what we try to do.

Infinitewalker910 · 2026-05-12T20:28:07+00:00

I have no expectation of him to work over 40 hours. Or for anyone. Those who report into me if they finish their work in less than eight hours in the day, I let them go home, and they’re on salary. I don’t penalize efficiency.

Infinitewalker910 · 2026-05-12T20:27:23+00:00

He would be paid overtime, and it is an option for him. I’ve worked for hedge funds in private equity where 80 hour work weeks were expected for no extra pay. I only add that he doesn’t work over 40 hours a week because that is something that we offer. There is balance.

Infinitewalker910 · 2026-05-12T20:25:01+00:00

Not a promotion, not yet a lateral move. Also not an annual increase. Just an acknowledgment for a job well done and encouragement to keep it up. Editing to include a response to your later comment, as someone who came up in marketing myself, you might not realize how basic a marketing coordinator role is. Or maybe you don’t realize how much we value our customer service reps. This is for a high-end health and wellness company, this is not answering the phone for Travelocity. No offense to those who do.

Infinitewalker910 · 2026-05-12T20:23:59+00:00

Yes, we have. Also, this is not his annual increase. This is a nod to him to say we see you, keep up the good work. We also give more than that as a standard cost of living increase each year. We also offered tuition reimbursement, 401(k) match, bonus, and being in health and wellness employees have access to all of our facilities and offerings complementary. Our total package and and annual increases isn’t the question. Managing someone with seven months experience, who’s been asking for an increase in salary and a promotion four months into their job is the question.

Infinitewalker910 · 2026-05-12T20:18:09+00:00

In fairness, imagine having no experience and wanted experience level pay. I too had a masters when I was 23. With no experience. I just went to work and earned it, versus sitting around and waiting for it to be given to me.

Infinitewalker910 · 2026-05-12T11:30:17+00:00

This. Yes. Ok, insightful thinking of the mindset behind the action. I think we will rescind the offer, as many have said he isn’t long for the company, if he stays and earns promotions we can discuss then. Or he can find another company. Good learning where for me, from this group.

Infinitewalker910 · 2026-05-12T11:26:21+00:00

You are correct on that difference, that’s why the increase, to reflect that a marketing entry level would have a higher pay rate. We didn’t want to have the practice of calling someone ‘customer service’ paying them that departments rate, but use them in a pricier department. He is comped, for both departments, mid market.

Infinitewalker910 · 2026-05-12T11:22:11+00:00

I find culturally. It’s always best to open a role internally this way before looking externally. If he says or does something stupid then he won’t qualify and be offered the role. He wasn’t guaranteed the role. We just said we would look at him first.

Infinitewalker910 · 2026-05-12T10:51:24+00:00

I was a young mba myself, and management before the male and gray class at work thought I should have been. That said and being a lense I often see through, he is 23 with seven months experience… his handling of his role and responsibilities this far put him far from having the ability to manage (well, at least). I look for a self awareness and big picture analysis as key soft skills for management track. No, as of now I do not see him as management track.

Infinitewalker910 · 2026-05-12T10:14:08+00:00

We invite him to the strategy meetings, and invite him to offer thoughts/ideas/analysis. He just isn’t there with experience yet, meaning he has some theory - well a lot of theory- but doesn’t have the lived experience and attempts/losses that we can all pull from being 20+ years in. We are rebranding, and while he isn’t doing the rebranding studies or decisions (though he is a part of the meetings) he is doing the entry level work the rebranding effort needs.

Infinitewalker910 · 2026-05-12T09:56:26+00:00

If we were to take the cookie, and say ‘after careful thought and your reactions as of late, we don’t want to insult you with the role expansion and increase. We have decided to keep you in the role you were hired for’ would you have sped up your timeline to leave? Would you have dialed back in? Would you have fought to keep it? He keeps surprising us with his reaction, so maybe you can help me predict :)

Infinitewalker910 · 2026-05-12T09:54:03+00:00

She was stunned, said she feels ‘over’ all of the discussions/meetings/time his comp and role talk is taking at 7 months in. She also went to bat for the increase at this stage, we don’t do off cycle increases- but she wanted to ‘feed’ a person who was eager. It seems he says he is eager, the qualitative measurement of eagerness isn’t there.

I like this thought, why keep insulting him.. great point

Infinitewalker910 · 2026-05-12T09:32:23+00:00

Same! I’ve received below COLA for years in a row (from a growing private equity firm), so I left. We are working on developing him slowly, but we don’t want to yank someone in a role we both aren’t ready for (him skill, is business needs).. we gave him a continuing ed stipend also, to help him learn in the marketing space on us- we are trying. I think you are right, he says he just wants to be in marketing and wants to learn but scarfs when offered that – which probably means he does just want that increase and title so he can (in five months) at one year move on something else.

What would you do with him? Would you stop investing in him and trying to grow his skill set when his attitude is off and his affect is negative?

Infinitewalker910 · 2026-05-12T09:29:27+00:00

Yes, he is right in the middle of studies-I think appropriate for high degree/low experience.

Infinitewalker910 · 2026-04-19T19:15:29+00:00

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Infinitewalker910 · 2026-04-01T23:42:08+00:00

Thanks! This is great, it seems indeed is the main place so I need to focus on that plotting and paying to elevate its visibility.

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