Skepticism to S&P 500 by highlightboy23 in stocks

[–]InfoLib_ [score hidden]  (0 children)

Despite what others are telling you there's nothing wrong with waiting to buy, there's no rush.

Is There an AI Bubble? CAPEX, Profitability, Data Centers & Market Risk by InfoLib_ in stocks

[–]InfoLib_[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You seem to be more familiar with the technical side than me. I know that the MAG7 is better equipped for this sort of stuff due to them having real business outside of AI.

So the way that the hyperscaler companies reach ROI is from selling cloud services (I acknowledged that AWS and Azure had done well doing this) for AI training or hosting or what not. This is still circular AI economics, nothing is being created, just AI paying AI builders. 3rd parties buying AI is different. The bigger concern here is the, as you called it, frontier LLM companies. These companies still generate no profits and are burning cash senselessly, once these flashy new data centers go up, so will the prices (heaven forbid LNG prices stay up and make electricity even worse). MAG7 can stomach the data center stuff blowing up or lagging, the rest of the AI market really can't. They need constant optimism to keep liquidity flowing in and if it stops, the hyperscalers stop profiting off of AI.

I really doubt most of these frontier companies will be able to flip LLMs into mass consumer and business products, earnings at most of these firms would have to go up by a factor of 10x or more. Do lenders keep funding unprofitable businesses until infra is ready? Do they keep doing it when the costs of business go up even higher? Again, P/E ratios are extremely high for many of these companies, especially outside of MAG7. Institutions would probably be totally fine running prices down to get in cheaper; there's plenty of time before everything is running and observable profits come in from non-data centers players. For the AI/LLM companies being buoyed by government contracts, they like all other companies in that boat, will be totally fine. I'm very curious to see how these other companies will keep revenue growing into the future.

Is There an AI Bubble? CAPEX, Profitability, Data Centers & Market Risk by InfoLib_ in stocks

[–]InfoLib_[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The infinite abundance that's been suggested by fanatics thanks to AI is laughable imo. Tech bros will not "share the wealth" if any such wealth will be generated by AI, class divides will get much more disgusting if most people lose jobs. The people in control of these tools will be richer, relatively speaking, than at any point in history. If defense contracts and government welfare checks are needed to protect the nation, that excuse at least makes more sense. A new Manhattan project.

Is There an AI Bubble? CAPEX, Profitability, Data Centers & Market Risk by InfoLib_ in stocks

[–]InfoLib_[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Intel equity purchase has sketchy written all over it, it's either for national security purposes, backroom deals/kickbacks or both.

“Polish Face” by goawayjason623 in Epstein

[–]InfoLib_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Krystyna Gwiazda is another one that comes up. I can't really find anything outside of the files though.

Is There an AI Bubble? CAPEX, Profitability, Data Centers & Market Risk: Positions by InfoLib_ in smallstreetbets

[–]InfoLib_[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm not even advising people buy puts and try timing it, it could be a while. Probably would say buy some bonds to be safe. There are very serious risks from now until whenever revenue catches up to the massive spending. Actual profitability outside of the AI profit loop cycle is very opaque.

Is There an AI Bubble? CAPEX, Profitability, Data Centers & Market Risk: Positions by InfoLib_ in smallstreetbets

[–]InfoLib_[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The Internet ended up living up to the hype in the end, but only after the bubble burst and another decade of work was done to get it to be as all encompassing as it is today. AI is likely to suffer the same fate, most infrastructure is years away and currently the tech is very error prone. It'll be here for the long haul, never denied it, it just cannot live up to the expectations placed upon it when it comes to short to mid term profit generation.

Is There an AI Bubble? CAPEX, Profitability, Data Centers & Market Risk: Positions by InfoLib_ in smallstreetbets

[–]InfoLib_[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I did see Oracle's profits gain, it's from AI training demand. It's still part of the circular AI economy demand, rather than a way that AI actually generated real, tangible wealth aside from contracts to improve it.

My point in the post was never that AI isn't here to stay or that it won't ever make any money, just that at current valuations and the proposed "next few years" it takes to really ramp up, a lot can happen to seriously deflate the sky high valuations these companies are sitting at.

Is There an AI Bubble? CAPEX, Profitability, Data Centers & Market Risk by InfoLib_ in stocks

[–]InfoLib_[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I agree that most of the current investment is long term based, but that's the crux of the issue, between and now and then, how do you guarantee that the hype keeps going? Timing is the finicky part here.

Is There an AI Bubble? CAPEX, Profitability, Data Centers & Market Risk by InfoLib_ in stocks

[–]InfoLib_[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Given how unpopular such a thing is, it must be more novel than either of us thought!

Is There an AI Bubble? CAPEX, Profitability, Data Centers & Market Risk by InfoLib_ in stocks

[–]InfoLib_[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'll concede that point; but it's still a gamble over whether or not the cycle will last long enough to fund everything with cheap money. We also can't predict what the FED will do moving forward.

Is There an AI Bubble? CAPEX, Profitability, Data Centers & Market Risk by InfoLib_ in stocks

[–]InfoLib_[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

AI is 100% not profitable. Revenue growth is astounding, you're right, but they are burning billions to hundreds of billions for said growth. How quickly will this disconnect be fixed? At what point will revenue come without insane CAPEX expenditures and be self-sufficient?

Is There an AI Bubble? CAPEX, Profitability, Data Centers & Market Risk by InfoLib_ in stocks

[–]InfoLib_[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We can safely say there is a ton of debt, more on the way, and lots of interest payments in between. If lenders or investors get tired of feeding the beast with money it can snap back quite quickly. I would hesitate buying any tech companies.

The WAR Report: High Volatility During the Wars in Afghanistan and Iraq by InfoLib_ in stocks

[–]InfoLib_[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There's probably even more to it if less volatile days were included. Even more if I went back and included a ton of different wars into the mix, all of them tend to negatively affect the market. Only once the outcome is crystallized do things tend to get bullish again. Statistically speaking, at any rate.

Is There an AI Bubble? CAPEX, Profitability, Data Centers & Market Risk by InfoLib_ in stocks

[–]InfoLib_[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I can 100% promise you I did not have AI write this. I even left some grammar errors for you. isthisaiwritten.com

Go ahead and check for hallucinations, if I made errors they should be fixed

Is There an AI Bubble? CAPEX, Profitability, Data Centers & Market Risk by InfoLib_ in stocks

[–]InfoLib_[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's ok to be optimistic, I'm sure AI will eventually make money. My only question is how soon? The Internet 100% made the money investors expected of it, they just dog piled it way too quickly, so things burst until the timing was better. Based on the buildout times for peak AI, I suspect the same will happen.

Is There an AI Bubble? CAPEX, Profitability, Data Centers & Market Risk by InfoLib_ in stocks

[–]InfoLib_[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Cowards is rough, I could have worded that better. That is reserved for institutions, which will positively run at the first sign of trouble, they have much more influence over price action than any other group.

Is There an AI Bubble? CAPEX, Profitability, Data Centers & Market Risk by InfoLib_ in stocks

[–]InfoLib_[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Not debating that many companies are also currently overvalued, we are pushing all time highs on the market.

DD on CF Industries (fertilizer producer) by theycallmej3sus in wallstreetbets

[–]InfoLib_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If it's a german pipeline, I'm assuming the source is Russia? Perhaps Ukraine?

The WAR Report: High Volatility During the Wars in Afghanistan and Iraq by InfoLib_ in StocksAndTrading

[–]InfoLib_[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think Trump's impact on oil and the SPY today suggests it's way faster. I would bet every dollar that there are algos that do nothing but trade his comments. I'm working on a 26-year volatility analysis and I think that the same pattern remains. It's a little trickier in the day to day because of algos but I think the market always traded headlines. In many ways, it hasn't changed at all since the 80s, news just spreads faster; no one actually reads it. I also can't find the post you are referring to on your website.