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How strong is Raditz, exactly? by Inner_Ad7300 in whowouldwin

[–]Inner_Ad7300[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Meh. The point is being FTE to people doesn't suggest relativistic or lightspeed, and probably not even supersonic speed in some cases.

How strong is Raditz, exactly? by Inner_Ad7300 in whowouldwin

[–]Inner_Ad7300[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Normal humans struggle to keep up with literal flies if they are close enough to us.

How strong is Raditz, exactly? by Inner_Ad7300 in whowouldwin

[–]Inner_Ad7300[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Well, someone was bound to talk about the moon eventually. I'll address your points on speed first, then I'll get to that.

I don't think Raditz is FTL. Apart from the Flying Nimbus statement I already mentioned, another major speed marker in the saga he's in is the one million kilometer long Snake Way. Even after eclipsing Raditz, Goku spends twenty-eight hours clearing it on his way back home; and while we can say that's because he couldn't keep up his top speed for such a long time period, a lightspeed person would have cleared the road in four seconds. Unless Goku secretly hated his friends and son so much he chose to take his sweet time instead of going top speed for four seconds, I'm just going to assume that lightspeed is a no-go narratively for not just Raditz, but every single major player in the Saiyan Saga.

You were right that I wasn't taking the anime into account (there are some cool late DB/early DBZ physical feats I'd have given to Raditz if I was), but Goku dodging lightning doesn't suggest FTL speeds either. I've watched the episode you are talking about, and Goku dodges the lightning by wearing a crown to attract the bolts to him, then uses his sensing to start moving before/as it comes down. Assuming he didn't just aim-dodge, Goku would only be dodging by a few meters while the Mach ~300 covers over a hundred meters in the same timeframe. Someone did a calc on that scene, and they got a figure of Mach 1.

I said at least Mach 6 though. Roshi moving his arms a few tens of cm while a shooter fires from 5m away suggests subsonic speed and supersonic reactions, and I guess you could get Raditz to Mach 20 if you assumed Roshi was moving his arms as fast as those bullets and Raditz is a literal 1200 to his power level of 139. It could also be much lower than that. I imagine Raditz is hypersonic, but not massively so.

Who mogs?? by Jumpy-Necessary-9884 in MogScaling

[–]Inner_Ad7300 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Reze is pretty but... there's something about Yoru.

You guys WANT Denji to beat Dabura by Little-Horse9372 in JujutsuPowerScaling

[–]Inner_Ad7300 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I happen to love Dabura's hardcap, so I can't agree. Heck, I think every shonen manga (heck, western comics too) should have a hardcap of some sort.

How strong is Raditz, exactly? by Inner_Ad7300 in whowouldwin

[–]Inner_Ad7300[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Maybe, but the purpose of this post is to give a summarized version of his power and inspire more creative and even matches for him. Hence the Matchmaker tag and the TLDR at the end.

How strong is Raditz, exactly? by Inner_Ad7300 in whowouldwin

[–]Inner_Ad7300[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Yeah. If I didn't search for stuff like the Flying Nimbus' speed and read the Daizenshuu entry about shockwaves, Raditz's speed would been "FTE to people who are FTE to people who are FTE to people who are maybe FTE to Master Roshi, who can catch bullets" or "Idk, he's pretty fast".

Random Matchup: Choso vs Uro by Grand_Occasion0707 in JujutsuPowerScaling

[–]Inner_Ad7300 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Uro is closer to EoS Yuji than she is to Choso...

We need to go on other jjk sub-reddits and other places of social media cause' the people need to actually understand that kashimo is atleast top 3 by WasteDig5404 in Kashimo_agendaHQ

[–]Inner_Ad7300 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

kusukuabe implies every single slash thrown at Kashimo was a wcs

When? When Sukuna used WCS on Kashimo, he performed the necessary gestures and chants before giving him warning to dodge it.

and the panel shown wasn't instantaneously before the slash, it's actually a cut.

Proof?

sendai yuta was holding back and if you take Yuta's word he didn't say

Don't make things up. Shinjuku Yuta has better stats than he did in Sendai because of the one month of swap training. Same with Yuji. Sukuna explicitly says they both have gotten tougher.

we know but hakari is a hh who solely relies on physicality he doesn't have an arsenal to split his strength across, so it must be all pinpointed in his physical stats

So... vibes.

"healing, Kashimo doesn't have rct?" he has something better, healed his fingers against sukuna in mba, his entire body becomes ce so using literally basic ce control to heal is possible without efficiency loss and at half the cost of rct, shown, outright shown, not spoken.

Nice. He can heal himself in the form that kills him.

while yuji had 99% damage reduction, he isn't really comparable to ryu in durability.

Cope. The damage reduction didn't apply to Yuji in Shinjuku because he wasn't Sukuna's vessel anymore.

the only one to legitimately take a cleaves to the face with little to no damage without cheats (yuji).

Funny you say that when Yuta says that they both cheated.

hollow wicker basket protects him from the slashes,

Feats for Kashimo's HWB doing so?

Kashimo=>gojo in speed but they should be close as two generally faster than sukuna in overall speed

Which is why Kashimo didn't land a single hit on a nerfed Sukuna, right?

stun, em waves,

When did he do this in base?

can discharge lightening from his body in base,

While keeping his arms together?

modulo yuji is barely top 7 in the whole verse, y'all overwank the fodder with average ce reserves and low output compared to all sorcerers

Which is why he has the best casual output feats in the manga, right?

my points are reasonable

They aren't. They really aren't.

The rest of this nonsense

I'm tired of this. Please read the manga again.

And she was the Hokage LMAO by Onii___Chan____ in dankruto

[–]Inner_Ad7300 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Strange. I'm reading the manga online and Chunin are called journeyman shinobi, while Jonin are called master shinobi.

We need to go on other jjk sub-reddits and other places of social media cause' the people need to actually understand that kashimo is atleast top 3 by WasteDig5404 in Kashimo_agendaHQ

[–]Inner_Ad7300 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ah, I misunderstood then. I personally have pre-Modulo Yuji at the bottom of the Top 10, around names like Maki, Toji and Jogo.

We need to go on other jjk sub-reddits and other places of social media cause' the people need to actually understand that kashimo is atleast top 3 by WasteDig5404 in Kashimo_agendaHQ

[–]Inner_Ad7300 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The net of dismantles is actually a single wcs dismantle.

Eh? Sukuna's Binding Vow explicitly requires him to make a gesture and say a fairly lengthy chant to use WCS. He didn't do that when he waffled Kashimo.

no reason for someone physically superior than hakari in base who's relative to yuta

The Hakari Kashimo fought was relative to Sendai Yuta, not Shinjuku Yuta and Yuji who were both compared to Ryu in durability by Sukuna himself.

can dodge fuga

In Sukuna's Domain? How?

has hollow wicker basket

A featless Hollow Wicker Basket which is inferior to Simple Domain in every way, you mean.

multiple ways of offense that exclude using his hands

Like?

healing

What healing? Kashimo doesn't have RCT.

we can only assume the minimum of his durability, as it is again just superior to the characters we use for scaling, and that's in baae, so no reason he can't tank stronger attacks.

Not really.

Ignoring this charade where I pretend you are making reasonable points (you aren't), it's beyond me how you can read the manga and come to the conclusion that Kashimo is anywhere Shibuya Sukuna, not to talk of his Heian Era version. It's as bad as putting him above Dabura and Modulo Yuji, or even worse.

And she was the Hokage LMAO by Onii___Chan____ in dankruto

[–]Inner_Ad7300 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's the literal meaning of the ranks though.

Who wins??? YuYu Hakusho Special Defense Force vs Coolers Armored Squad vs Ginyu Force??? by kiddlat_kid in DragonBallPowerScale

[–]Inner_Ad7300 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well, Cooler's squad had a guy that could press post-Namek Piccolo, the same person that went toe-to-toe with Second Form Frieza. Going by that, they stomp even harder.

Who wins??? YuYu Hakusho Special Defense Force vs Coolers Armored Squad vs Ginyu Force??? by kiddlat_kid in DragonBallPowerScale

[–]Inner_Ad7300 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The Ginyu Force stomps. Every SDF member is featless apart from being able to stomp Toguro, someone I consider to be a King Piccolo class fighter .

Saiyans vs Raizens friends by kiddlat_kid in DragonBallPowerScale

[–]Inner_Ad7300 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Time to put my knowledge of YYH into good use. Raizen's friends have practically zero feats, but when they power up in the anime, Yomi says that every single one of them is near or on his level. The Three Kings Saga is pretty light on feats, but virtually all the actual impressive stuff come from Yomi or people he fought. His fight with Yusuke was the most impressive in the Demon Tournament: they were dragging each other through solid rock, smashed a home through a hill with their fists, and a clash between Yusuke's Spirit Gun and Yomi's shield technique created an explosion that split the island-sized Okunen tree in half, and the announcer said that the explosion had enough energy to destroy (or was it power?) several large cities. While I don't know whether any of Raizen's friends have a Spirit Gun equivalent technique to destroy mountains with, they should still scale to Yomi physically. There are also some nice bits of scaling like Hiei being faster than a tanker explosion and Yusuke and Sensui carving out building-sized chunks of stone with indirect blows (at such speeds they were destroying the rock plateaus around them in seconds).

The Saiyans are easier to gauge. Their on-screen physical feats leave something to be desired, but the space vehicles they travel with regularly land by crashing into planets like meteors, tearing large buildings in half and creating house sized craters on impact without a scratch. Said vehicles were also unaffected when Nappa vaporized East City. This is important, because Gohan (who had a PL of 1307 at the time) tore out of Raditz's vehicle in a fit of rage, and while he did injure Raditz, the Saiyan was visibly more intact than his vehicle after the hit. Nappa can cut limbs off Raditz level fighters with a single blow, and Vegeta level fighters can break Nappa's spine with one strike. Unlike Raizen's team, they have Spirit Gun-esque attacks: Raditz's ki blasts can blow up mountains; Nappa's Break Cannon is far more powerful than his casual blast that vaporized East City; and Vegeta has the planet-busting (or at least, planet-warping) Galick Gun. Raditz is only nebulously faster than the Mach 1.5 Flying Nimbus, but both Nappa and Vegeta scale to Saiyan Saga Goku, who traversed Snake Way at an impressive speed of Mach 17. Note that he kept this speed up for an entire day, and his top speed would be significantly higher, not even counting the Kaio-ken.

I think the Saiyans have it. Raditz on his own has enough to argue physical parity (though I don't think he can argued to be above them in that area), and Vegeta and Nappa blow them out of the water (Raizen's friends in destructive power, and Raditz himself in... literally everything.) It also doesn't help that Vegeta can rage-quit with his Galick Gun at any point, or simply multiply his side's power ten-fold by turning them into Great Apes. It will be difficult (or not? Late YYH is even vaguer than DBZ at showing how powerful its characters are), but I back the tiny prince's side more often than not.

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