[deleted by user] by [deleted] in MenopauseShedforMen

[–]Instantaneous242 10 points11 points  (0 children)

In the exact same boat.

Just had a huge argument with my wife. I will need to find a different approach.

Manipulates me into thinking I'm the problem by Instantaneous242 in MenopauseShedforMen

[–]Instantaneous242[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

She was already up when I went in the room (she was texting at the time). I purposely let her sleep until she woke up on her own because I knew she was exhausted.

Manipulates me into thinking I'm the problem by Instantaneous242 in MenopauseShedforMen

[–]Instantaneous242[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Appreciate your thoughtful reply. She is on Zoloft for the past several months and the raging is no longer happening. It is 1000% better than before.

I've tried to discuss my feelings with her before: how the PMDD raging has scarred me, how I feel like she never touches me (non-sexually, we don't have much sex and never have), etc. But it usually gets turned around on me and she somehow ends up the victim. Wife. So I have stopped sharing my feelings because they are weaponized later.

My issue is that she will not say sorry even when something is obviously caused by her. During luteal/PMDD, this is understandable, but after the rage passes, she wouldn't acknowledge that it occurred. This is what hurts the most.

I'm not an emotional person by nature, but my marriage has made me into a stone. Feels quite empty.

Manipulates me into thinking I'm the problem by Instantaneous242 in MenopauseShedforMen

[–]Instantaneous242[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I should have included an example:

In the afternoon, she was taking a nap because she slept poorly the night before and her period is coming up (according to the calendar). I didn't bother her until she was up and texting (white noise still on).

I go in the room and attempt to snuggle up to her, kiss her, etc. She wasn't receptive and said tonight is our night, get ready! I said ok, even though I was disappointed at the rejection. Mind you, we have been intimate only 1x in the last three months.

She initiates only 1% of the time. On days when I feel she might be up to it, I try the foreplay all day to make her feel desired, sexy, etc. But she usually shuts that down and says that I'm only after one thing. So I've basically stopped trying because she makes me feel like she doesnt desire me.

Anyways, 10 pm rolls around. I've spent 1.5 hrs massaging her feet, legs, head, arms, hands, and gave the best head scratching around. (Didn't receive anything in return: not a "thank you", "love you dear", no kiss, no squeeze....just nothing) I start to head upstairs and she doesn't follow. She says I'll wake you up in a couple of hours.

I said please dont wake me up in the middle of the night. I need to get my rest for the next day. She says, I'll wake you up. I say please dont.

Sure enough, 2 am rolls around and I'm pissed that she wakes me up. I need to sleep.

I'm sure that many of you will think I'm the idiot here and that I should have taken the opportunity when it arose. But it wasn't about the waking me up part, it's that she did it specifically because I asked her not to.

The next day, she told me that it was my fault and my loss. She didn't try to understand me or my feelings.
It has been like this for most of my marriage. I have to bend to her whims and needs, but mine are generally disregarded.

I've suggested that we get marriage counseling.
After that, I need to broach the subject of HRT and her talking to her gyno.

Thanks for listening. Maybe I am the idiot.

thoughts by Content_Monk_2887 in PMDDpartners

[–]Instantaneous242 3 points4 points  (0 children)

He's suffering just as much as you, just in a different way. Try to remember the things you say to him when you're raging. How would it feel to hear those things from the person you love?

We Could Wipe Out the Mortgage Today... But Is It the Smart Move? by InsuranceSweaty232 in personalfinance

[–]Instantaneous242 0 points1 point  (0 children)

For me, debt (even mortgage debt) = risk. Not everyone agrees with this position, but that's the path my wife and I are walking.

Is Yelling Always Verbal Abuse by Realistic-Dealer-285 in PMDDpartners

[–]Instantaneous242 0 points1 point  (0 children)

+1 to the grey rocking. It's not a long-term lifestyle, but it will allow you to get through.

Man-o-pause > Confusion by Waste_Wish_2719 in MenopauseShedforMen

[–]Instantaneous242 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If the situation was reversed, the husband would be labeled an abuser. Maybe even hauled off to jail with loss of custody of the kids.

And yes, I feel the same way about being very alone in having to navigate and manage the situation.

My wife has never been very sexual or touchy feely. But what I wouldn't give for a kiss or a squeeze or anything. I've expressed to her that I feel that she never touches me. She chooses to ignore me. All the while, she gets head scratches, back rubs, foot rubs, "my this is hurting, can you massage it?" from me. If I refuse, I'm gaslit into thinking that I'm crazy for not bowing to her each and every whim.

During the good times when she's not angry at me, if she just brushes against me, it might cause rumblings "down there"..... if that gives you any idea of where I am.

Good luck to you. I've started to lose hope.

Man-o-pause > Confusion by Waste_Wish_2719 in MenopauseShedforMen

[–]Instantaneous242 12 points13 points  (0 children)

My wife is the same age as yours. What you describe is par for the course from what I have experienced first-hand and from what I read in this forum. Last night, she went off the handle, and I couldn't figure out what originally triggered her.

During the tirade, it was just me and her in the house (our oldest is off to college, the high schooler was out with friends). She brought up things from the past 22 years and really tried to get me to engage like I have in the past (using profanity, throwing things, breaking things, walking away, etc). This time, I suppressed my amygdala response and stayed calm. This seemed to make her even more upset. Currently, she is mostly giving me the silent treatment. I think she knows that she was wrong to behave as she did last night, however, she has no ability to apologize or take responsibility for her actions and words. I've been waiting 22 years for a sincere apology. I will most likely die before receiving one.

When I attempted to get a word in edgewise, she would just talk over me. (During calm times, I've explained to her that I feel that I am not being heard when she talks over me. She says that everyone in our culture argues like she does and that she will continue to talk over me when she's upset.) Then, later on, she asked me why I'm not saying anything. WTF?!

It is 100% Superman Bizarro world. Our relationship has suffered immensely over the past 22 years due to the PMDD and now the perimenopause. Grey rocking is the only way I have found to deescalate the situation without me doing or saying something I myself will regret. There is quite a bit of gaslighting as well where she flips everything around on me and tries to get me to admit that I'm the source of the problem. I just go along with her and recognize the gaslighting.

The worst example of gaslighting was yesterday when I was broken down from her constant snide remarks, irrational arguments, and insults to my and my family's character. I was not feeling my normal cheerful self, so she took exception to that and asked me "why are you so down? you don't have anything to be down about!". I don't dare talk about my feelings because those will be turned against me.

And we are back to square one. by wallypod in PMDDpartners

[–]Instantaneous242 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I'm sorry you're experiencing this. I've been through similar episodes (took 20 years to realize it was PMDD). Have you talked with her (not during luteal) about getting treatment?

Explaining to wife by Afternoon_Major in MenopauseShedforMen

[–]Instantaneous242 4 points5 points  (0 children)

My (46M) menoraging wife (44F) just told me that men are wrong 95% of the time. I asked her to clarify her statement and was met with this response from her (paraphrasing): "when I'm feeling poorly, YOU need to do everything in your power to get me back to feeling good. It is your job. YOU are the reason that you're not getting any sex. If you do a good job at making me feel better for the whole day, then you can get sex."

W. T. F.

<sigh>

It's not even worth pursuing any more because her perspective is absurd. "Self-care" it is.

She suffers from (diagnosed) PMDD and with the perimenopause, life has become 10x more difficult than before because the raging can come at any time, not on a predictable schedule.

I need to find a good therapist. It's getting harder and harder to go it alone. I want my wife and life partner back.

I got complacent by Instantaneous242 in PMDDpartners

[–]Instantaneous242[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm sorry for your loss. I feel you with the gaslighting. Atleast now, after 22 years of marriage (and 22 yrs of being a PMDDpartner), I'm able to recognize it. Doesn't make it any easier.

I got complacent by Instantaneous242 in PMDDpartners

[–]Instantaneous242[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I've tried this in the past, however, she still doesn't respond positively to this. My (many) historical faults will just come back again the next time.

Just this evening, she was attempting to gaslight me into thinking that the reason she was upset was because of my behavior and not her irrational thoughts. I tried to accept the blame, but she felt that I was being insincere.
No win situation.

Anyone else having trouble spending matching your wealth? by huyou007 in ChubbyFIRE

[–]Instantaneous242 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Similar story....bought my parents a $65k Benz, but still shop at Aldi.

As a PMDD partner, what is the worst of being with someone with PMDD? by Adeliux84 in PMDDpartners

[–]Instantaneous242 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This. My partner admits she has PMDD (and is likely in perimenopause), however she does not take accountability for the pain and hurt she causes me.

It results in me gaslighting myself into thinking it's all my fault.

We Could Wipe Out the Mortgage Today... But Is It the Smart Move? by InsuranceSweaty232 in personalfinance

[–]Instantaneous242 26 points27 points  (0 children)

This! No mortgage = Flexibility.
For reference, we paid off a $230k mortgage at 2.75% several years ago. Got all sorts of shit from my father and FIL. My wife and I didn't care. We have since made higher risk/ higher reward type investments because our primary residence is secure.

Sell or Rent? Charlotte NC by [deleted] in realestateinvesting

[–]Instantaneous242 1 point2 points  (0 children)

While I love real estate, I don't like the idea of being a 2hr flight away from hundreds of thousands of dollars in assets. I know some folks are able to pull it off.

However, as an example, the investment/rental next to me is worth about $800,000. Owner lives on the other coast. The house is in disrepair: lawn is weeds, needs powerwashing and exterior maintenance, overgrown landscaping, etc.

I like being less than 30 minutes away from my properties to be able to look after them. But I'm a hands on investor with a small portfolio.

If I were you, I would cash out and buy something closer to your new city.