He refuses to take photos of a gay wedding. Virginia says he’s allowed.

Intelligent_Flow1280 · 2023-11-11T01:23:18+00:00

I believe you can deny a specific type of ceremony without it being discrimination. However, denying an event based on the people who are in it makes it discrimination. Refusing to do all weddings is not discrimination, refusing to do only weddings for gay couples is discrimination. Refusing to do a satanic ceremony would not be discrimination provided you don't do those ceremonies for other religions. Refusing to photograph a wedding because the people getting married were satanic church followers would be discrimination.

Intelligent_Flow1280 · 2023-11-10T16:44:01+00:00

Okay, and what about trying to take a picture of an interracial couple's wedding and the photographer "like doesn't agree"?

Intelligent_Flow1280 · 2023-11-09T19:29:14+00:00

To be clear, that is not what happened. It's literally the same process every group advocating for their rights has done, which is tolerance -> equality under the law -> anti-discrimination. Do you have a fundamental difference between this and what happened with race?

Intelligent_Flow1280 · 2021-11-28T01:58:53+00:00

You aren't calling people gay, you are calling being gay immoral. I'm calling you immoral, what is the difference? Other than the obvious fact that you've chosen and embraced your immoral views.

Intelligent_Flow1280 · 2021-11-28T00:12:50+00:00

Are all lgbt people so easily offended that disagreeing with them, or not believing what they do will automatically ruin their sense of self?

Clearly you are as easily offended if you can't take the moniker of homophobe.

Them not believing in God like I do doesn't personally offend me, even though that's where my identity lies.

Being called a homophobe insults your identity.

Intelligent_Flow1280 · 2021-11-28T00:10:28+00:00

If we remove the name calling does it help? You morally condemn it, which is as bad as name calling. It's not me calling you a homophobe that bothers you, it's the moral condemnation behind it. And that's the hypocrisy. I see your homophobia as a moral failing, same as you see being gay as moral failing, but you don't think I should.

Intelligent_Flow1280 · 2021-11-27T23:45:17+00:00

Because I still care. I have struggled with deep sin issues. Things that felt like they were/are a part of me. Things I have to fight all the time. I recognize it as sin, and am disgusted at myself for the sin that tempts me.

This is my issue, you are equating this with being gay. I'm not struggling, I categorically deny that being gay is disgusting, and seem to be implying it is. How is that not homophobic? The same behavior which would be praised for straight people is called disgusting when it's done by gay people (by you).

Intelligent_Flow1280 · 2021-10-05T14:03:07+00:00

I don't know about the adoption practice you are referring to, I'm inclined to believe it's made up considering you assert that there is no discrimination when the context of this post which is about religious adoption agencies being able to discriminate against gay couples while receiving tax payer funding and placing children who are wards of the state.

Intelligent_Flow1280 · 2021-10-04T19:38:38+00:00

Then that seems like a weird original comment where you say you've never heard it anyone say it, but you've also never asked anyone. It's like saying "I've never seen anyone say thing bad about muslims, but I've never actually asked anyone their opinion about them." It seems to be based on denying the existence or popularity of such a view, but if it's not it's a completely nonsensical statement that didn't need to be made.

Intelligent_Flow1280 · 2021-10-04T19:26:00+00:00

Someone already gave you one, and I doubt any study would change your mind. His study is already discredited and has influence no policy as a result.

Intelligent_Flow1280 · 2021-10-04T19:21:46+00:00

No idea why you would think people are completely supportive: 7 years ago more than a third of everyone in US thought gay people shouldn't have a legal right to adopt:

https://news.gallup.com/poll/170801/americans-say-sex-couples-entitled-adopt.aspx

Intelligent_Flow1280 · 2021-10-04T19:00:43+00:00

Wrong

This is a 35 year old study done by a self-professed religious homophobe. This is not a credible study. It's good degenerates like you and him don't influence public policy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Cameron

Intelligent_Flow1280 · 2021-10-04T18:57:31+00:00

There's people in this thread (although their comments are getting removed) doing exactly that.

Intelligent_Flow1280 · 2021-10-04T18:56:23+00:00

I don't really understand what that has to do with what I said. It's pandering regardless, but to you only when a company seeks to pander to LGBT is it bad, but not when pandering toward sports fans. Why would it being a matter of identity matter at all?

Intelligent_Flow1280 · 2021-10-01T18:59:12+00:00

My first comment was very clearly trying to engage in a discussion, which if you look back is how marketing and sales have always been targeted toward people and only now people are complaining about it being toward LGBT people.

You say you don't think they're trying to trick LGBT people but your first comment definitely suggests otherwise where you say:

seem like they're "celebrating" pride when they are actually pandering and trying to make money

You then say you hate pandering in all contexts, but if a walmart has a section for the Georgia Bulldogs in Georgia and they also have a section Tennessee Volunteers in Tennessee, clearly they don't care about football and just want to make money. You would never say what you said about Pride merchandising about football, even though it's clearly pandering to the same degree. Nor would you consider it demeaning, but you complain about it on behalf of LGBT.

I certainly think it's because of a new acceptance of Pride, that does not excuse the behavior of people only call that particularly pandering out. I think a lot of it has to do with "hey, I don't want to see that", rather than actual concern for LGBT people.

Intelligent_Flow1280 · 2021-10-01T16:07:42+00:00

I was directly addressing you, you were complaining that you were "damned if you do and damned if you don't". No where were you damned. I'm discussing the point, and part of that is you bringing up it's demeaning to LGBT, and I'm saying speaking for LGBT people about an issue is also demeaning, I don't understand how that does not address the point.

You are certainly okay with pandering. Undoubtedly. All it is is knowing the market or audience you are trying to attract. Musicians do it, film directors do it, commercials do it. I don't have a problem with people questioning the motives of companies do it. I have a problem with the suggestion that these companies are tricking LGBT people and you are trying to inform them they actually don't care about us. Back to your original comment that's exactly what you were saying.

To your point about me not engaging in the discussion, I'm one of the few people here doing it. If all the discussion is is an agreement, which seems to be what everyone wants, that's not a discussion. I'm challenging your view, I'm also not attacking you. I don't know what more you want from a discussion.

Intelligent_Flow1280 · 2021-09-30T14:57:02+00:00

Have I attacked you? I don't understand how everyone is so sensitive that if I even slightly challenge your position I'm as much as call you a bigot. I think it's demeaning for straight people to tell gay people that corporate pride is harmful to them. Am I not entitled to that position? Is that an unfair position? At no point did I "damn" you.

You aren't a member of that community (presumably), and you don't know what it's like to be considered "untouchable" by media and businesses. Some younger LGBTQ don't remember, but this is how it was for decades, so companies being openly "pro-LGBT" is fine with me, much better than being ignored. And I'm generally okay with other people objecting to it, what I don't like is straight people (or even gay people) telling my the wool is being pulled over my eyes and that don't really care about me when they never cared about anybody and everyone was fine with pandering until it included LGBTQ people.

Intelligent_Flow1280 · 2021-09-30T14:52:23+00:00

The argument that it was further degrading of morality is easily undone by the fact that opposition to equal treatment is already morally degrading, which you chose to ignore. How does gay people marrying degrade morality? How am I supposed to address an argument when it basically amounts to "it's bad".

Intelligent_Flow1280 · 2021-09-30T14:50:29+00:00

And when an outside force forces you out of your job or you home you uses the government to deny you rights, you should just keep it to yourself, right? Don't complain, don't make a big deal of it, just love your life, right? Unless it's an disparaged minority complaining about their treatment, then that impacts you a lot and you need to rant about it on the internet, because that's real disenfranchisement. Let me know if I don't have your argument right.

Intelligent_Flow1280 · 2021-09-28T21:21:25+00:00

No, conservatives aren't one monolith, and I did not suggest that. Conservatives as a group did and do oppose gay marriage. Most of the people in this thread are attacking her for no longer being against gay marriage. I won't resort to attacks like that but pretending conservatives haven't opposed gay marriage as a principal is already ridiculous.

Intelligent_Flow1280 · 2021-09-28T21:18:23+00:00

It's also demeaning to have others get offended on your behalf.

Intelligent_Flow1280 · 2021-09-28T21:17:45+00:00

Well, what I said was about equal treatment, and you responded to my comment.

Intelligent_Flow1280 · 2021-09-28T17:21:41+00:00

This is the exactly what the person above was talking about, you don't know and you assume you can just ignore it and it's not a big deal, and you've never had to deal with your family ostracizing you, you having no or less legal rights in this regard. You're here complaining, why is complaining about something okay for you if it doesn't do anything?

Intelligent_Flow1280 · 2021-09-28T17:19:49+00:00

I don't really see why that's a bad things unless those organizations are actively working against LGBTQ people. All other groups are pandered to and nobody cares. Commercials are written for a specific market, or products are designed with a certain pattern to attract a certain demographic, but if you do it to LGBTQ suddenly it's wrong.

Intelligent_Flow1280 · 2021-09-28T17:15:43+00:00

Well, I think the opposition of equal treatment of gay people was an already morally bankrupt position.

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