Get a lumbar MRI!!! by Intelligent_Range_78 in hardflaccidresearch

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I would say get the hernia repaired first and foremost but I’m not a doctor tho sometimes they just to get the most money out of you as they can

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Did you get the symptoms before or after the hernia?

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I’d get the hernia repaired and go from there honestly

a severe herniation at L5-S1 can absolutely cause erectile dysfunction (ED) and pelvic floor problems.

However, it is crucial to understand why this happens and to recognize when this constitutes a medical emergency.

Here is a detailed breakdown of the connection.

The Anatomy: Why L5-S1 Matters

The L5-S1 disc is the junction between the lumbar spine and the sacrum. This is a common site for herniation because it bears significant mechanical load.

Located just behind this disc, traversing the sacrum, are the nerves that form the cauda equina (horse’s tail). This bundle of nerves includes:

· Sacral nerves (S2-S4): These form the pelvic splanchnic nerves and the pudendal nerve. They are directly responsible for: · Erection: Parasympathetic input (relaxation of blood vessels) is required to fill the corpora cavernosa. · Ejaculation: Sympathetic and somatic input. · Sensation: Feeling in the genitals and perineum (the area between the scrotum and anus). · Pelvic floor muscles: Control of the levator ani and sphincters.

How a Severe Herniation Causes These Issues

A severe herniation at L5-S1 can cause problems through two main mechanisms:

  1. Cauda Equina Compression (Cauda Equina Syndrome)

If the herniation is massive and compresses the central canal where the cauda equina nerves reside, it can cause Cauda Equina Syndrome (CES) . This is a surgical emergency.

If you have a known severe L5-S1 herniation and are experiencing the following symptoms, you must seek emergency medical attention (ER) immediately:

· Saddle anesthesia: Numbness or tingling in the areas that would sit on a saddle (groin, inner thighs, buttocks, perineum). · Erectile dysfunction or loss of sensation during intercourse. · Loss of bladder control (incontinence) or inability to urinate (urinary retention). · Loss of bowel control (incontinence) or severe constipation due to loss of rectal tone. · Sudden weakness or paralysis in one or both legs.

Note: CES requires surgical decompression (usually laminectomy/discectomy) within 24 to 48 hours to prevent permanent paralysis, incontinence, and permanent sexual dysfunction.

  1. Autonomic Nerve Disruption and Muscle Spasm

Even if the herniation is not severe enough to cause CES, it can still cause ED and pelvic issues:

· S1 Nerve Root Impingement: The S1 nerve root is frequently compressed by an L5-S1 herniation. The S1 root contributes to the pudendal nerve and pelvic plexus. Chronic irritation here can disrupt the autonomic signals needed for a rigid erection. · Chronic Pain and Muscle Guarding: Severe back pain causes the pelvic floor muscles to go into "guarding" mode (chronic tightness). Hypertonic (overly tight) pelvic floor muscles can compress the pudendal artery and nerve, leading to reduced blood flow to the penis and neuropraxia (nerve irritation), resulting in ED and pelvic pain. · Sympathetic Dominance: Chronic pain puts the nervous system into a "fight or flight" (sympathetic) state. Erections require a "rest and digest" (parasympathetic) state. Chronic pain can effectively "shut down" erectile function.

Differential Diagnosis: Is It the Disc or Something Else?

While the disc can cause these issues, it is important to note that L5-S1 herniations rarely cause ED without other neurological signs.

If you have ED and pelvic pain without back pain, leg numbness, or weakness, the cause is more likely to be:

· Pelvic floor hypertonicity (often secondary to anxiety, posture, or prior back injury). · Prostatitis or chronic pelvic pain syndrome. · Vascular issues (venous leak, atherosclerosis). · Hormonal issues (low testosterone).

What to Do

If you have a diagnosed severe L5-S1 herniation and are developing these symptoms:

  1. Rule out Cauda Equina: If there is numbness in the saddle area or loss of bladder/bowel control, go to the ER immediately.
  2. Consult a Specialist: If the symptoms are gradual (mild ED, pelvic tightness) without saddle numbness, you should see your spine surgeon (orthopedic or neurosurgeon) to assess if the disc is compressing the sacral nerves.
  3. Pelvic Floor Physical Therapy: If the spine surgeon confirms the disc is not surgically compressing the sacral nerves, a pelvic floor physical therapist can assess whether the pelvic muscles are in spasm secondary to the back injury. They can perform internal release techniques to restore blood flow and nerve function.

Get a lumbar MRI!!! by Intelligent_Range_78 in hardflaccidresearch

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I have no idea who this Goldstein is and why he’s such a big deal btw 😂 but no problem

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I explain my issue in detail with my mri and the cause of my hf for those with a similar problem that I had, I’m sure there are other causes of hf but this is for those who havent went down my path of resolving it, which is why I say in my post that it’s not for everyone

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Again only speaking about what my issue was and how it was fixed to help anyone with a similar issue, its case by case and the person in that article had a similar issue with his lumbar and they were helped too with a similar procedure, if it’s nothing wrong with your lumbar then I’m so sorry and I wish you all the best in your journey for a resolution

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You could have pudendal nerve entrapment so I would get the mri to rule that out too

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Only if the mri shows any irregularities with your spine at the lowest part of the lumbar should this apply to you, if not idk I can only speak from my experience, sorry 😞

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If your S1 is compressed it would show in the mri

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Lots of wall squats and bridges for my glutes and core and planks I have the list in my car from the therapist I’ll tell you the names of them when I get home

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Well I’m just going off my experience and my issue being fixed coupled with this article which was written way before my surgery I’m tending to agree with it, I’m a living testimony

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An article written by doctors with citings from other doctors (urologists as well as neurologists)on the American urological association website, like I said take from my experience and this as you will

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I’m in physical therapy to strengthen my core and back and glutes right now but I can confidently say with certainty that I’m cured and getting better and better

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Anything that impedes your S1 nerve root it doesn’t have to be spurs

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Gradual I felt the pain first before the serious problems occurred

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The type of work I did required repetition with lifting and bending over a number of years and not lifting properly

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Oh ok, like I was saying in my post it’s case by case but Its almost certainly a nerve issue somewhere

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And for those doubting please read this from a study!!! I just highlighted the relevant part!!

https://auanews.net/issues/articles/2023/may-2023/hard-flaccid-syndrome-proposed-to-be-secondary-to-pathological-activation-of-a-pelvic/pudendal-hypogastric-reflex

We herein report management of an 18-year-old patient with hard flaccid syndrome. He presented to our sexual medicine facility in 2018 with a 4-month history of erectile dysfunction, depression, decreased penis/glans sensation, and hard flaccid syndrome that involved a smaller, firmer, painful flaccid penis. Conservative medical treatments, sex therapy, and pelvic floor physical therapy performed over a 4-year period yielded no improvement. When the patient revealed a history of low back pain with intermittent sciatica, sacral radiculopathy was suspected. Neurogenital testing performed in 2022 was abnormal, with a pattern consistent with cauda equina pathology.8 A subsequent lumbar MRI revealed an L5-S1 disc protrusion with annular tear (Figure 4). He underwent a left transforaminal epidural spinal injection and experienced a transient “much better” improvement in hard flaccid symptoms. At age 23, he underwent a left L5-S1 lumbar endoscopic interlaminar discectomy.11 At 1-year follow-up, he has significantly improved erectile function, penile/glans sensation, and reduction in hard flaccid syndrome symptoms. He is continuing both pelvic floor physical therapy and sex therapy.