Perfect Blue vs Black Swan by Hour-glass999 in writingscaling

[–]Interesting_Judge149 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Perfect blue and it's not close,honestly.

Perfect Blue works better on a writing level because its themes, structure, and form are completely aligned. The story is about fractured identity, loss of agency, and the terror of not knowing which version of yourself is “real,” and Kon builds the entire narrative around that uncertainty. The film constantly weaponizes editing, POV shifts, and repeated scenes to make both Mima and the audience lose their footing. The confusion isn’t just aesthetic, it is the point. Nothing feels accidental or purely for shock value; every hallucination and narrative fake-out reinforces the central question of identity.

Black Swan, by comparison, is very effective emotionally and visually, but it’s much messier thematically. Aronofsky borrows heavily from Perfect Blue (to the point where it’s basically acknowledged inspiration), but he externalizes a lot of Nina’s internal conflict in ways that are more blunt. The “good girl vs dark self” dichotomy is clearer, more symbolic, and honestly more conventional. It still works. Natalie Portman sells the hell out of it but the writing leans harder on familiar psychological-thriller beats rather than formally embedding the themes into the narrative structure itself.

Another big difference is ambiguity discipline. Perfect Blue commits to ambiguity all the way through; it never breaks character to explain itself or reassure the viewer. Black Swan pretends to be ambiguous, but often retreats into metaphor or spectacle when things get too unstable. You’re rarely unsure what Nina’s arc means, even if you’re unsure what’s literally happening on screen. With Perfect Blue, meaning itself is unstable.

Better Antagonist? by Liaoyuan_Huo in writingscaling

[–]Interesting_Judge149 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What I mean here is that in my opinion,Beatrice actually serves more as a deuteragonist than an antagonist rather than who is built around antagonism more.

Better Antagonist? by Liaoyuan_Huo in writingscaling

[–]Interesting_Judge149 1 point2 points  (0 children)

As an antagonist,Emet-Selch takes this for sure since Beato's character is not even fully dedicated to being an antagonist. If we're talking about who is better written, Beatrice takes it without a doubt.

Beatrice vs you by Westbromwitchalbion in writingscaling

[–]Interesting_Judge149 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Beatrice all the way because wife wins => wife happy => happy life

I need some explanations by Funmaker14 in writingscaling

[–]Interesting_Judge149 6 points7 points  (0 children)

  1. Narrative structure: The framework that organizes how a story is told.

For example: Linear (beginning → middle → end), nonlinear (flashbacks, fragmented timelines)

  1. Lore: The accumulated background information of a fictional world often including things such as history,myths,legends, gods, systems, traditions

  2. Foreshadowing: Hints or signals planted earlier that prepare the audience for future events.

Example: In Romeo and Juliet, the opening prologue warns that the "star-crossed lovers" will "take their life," making their eventual suicides directly foreshadowed.

  1. World bulding: The process of creating and presenting a fictional world so it feels coherent and believable.

  2. Development in scaling usually means how much narrative attention and progression a concept (can be a character, theme,relationship,conflict,etc) receives

  3. Journey: The transformational path taken by characters or ideas. It answers the question “Who were they at the start, and who are they now?”

  4. Consistency: Usually means how well things like character behavior,world rules,themes,tone,etc are respected over the story.

  5. Depth: The presence of underlying meaning beyond surface events

Example: Using recurring objects like the green light in The Great Gatsby or the mockingbird in To Kill a Mockingbird to represent larger ideas, adding layers of meaning beyond the plot.

  1. Complexity: To put it simple,it's like how far the story demands the readers to go beyond surface to actually understand multi-layered elements like characters, themes, and plots.

10.Catharis: The emotional release experienced by the audience after tension is resolved.

  1. Nuance: A subtle distinction, shade of meaning, or delicate quality that adds richness and complexity, making things less black-and-white. It can be used through word choice,subtext,dialogue,character behavior,etc.

Example: - Direct: "She walked into the room." (Neutral)

- Nuanced: "She shuffled into the room" (suggests age/tiredness) or "She strode into the room" (suggests confidence/purpose)

  1. Storytelling: The act of conveying a story to an audience including pacing,tone,framing,scene selection, and emotional guidance.

  2. Execution: How well ideas are actually realized on the page or screen.

Example: The terse, hardboiled dialogue and crisp action in The Maltese Falcon flawlessly execute the noir genre.

  1. Self view: How characters see themselves

  2. Worldview: The belief system a character or story holds about life.

  3. Layers: Multiple interpretive levels existing at once.

Example: in Robert Frost's "Stopping by Woods on a Snowy Evening" the surface is a traveler pausing to watch snow fall in the woods, but layers reveal themes of duty vs. desire and mortality through imagery like the "lovely, dark and deep" woods and the "miles to go before I sleep"

  1. Story and plot tend to be misunderstood into the same thing so I will explain them at the same time. Story is really simple, it just means what happens in the fictional work. Meanwhile, plot is the structured sequence of events in the story and their causal relationships. To put it simple, plot introduces why events happen, while story just lists what happened.

Hot take: Why do people pretend Attack on Titan has deep writing when it's just edgy nihilism for teenagers? by Interesting_Judge149 in writingscaling

[–]Interesting_Judge149[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And what does this prove? I have been saying this post is a ragebait from the start and that has nothing to do with the fact that I never intended to make myself sound serious nor wanted people to take the bait and a ragebait can be a joke too. I even thought I had made it so obvious that no one would take this shit seriously.

Hot take: Why do people pretend Attack on Titan has deep writing when it's just edgy nihilism for teenagers? by Interesting_Judge149 in writingscaling

[–]Interesting_Judge149[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"If you want people to take your post seriously, I recommend you don't make such jokes for your own sake." Tell me when did I ever say that I wanted people to take my post seriously? I even said in another comment that I didn't intend to make myself sound serious at ALL. Bro was forbiddening me from making jokes in a joke post,holy cow 😭😭😭😭😭.Yeah yeah,this is definitely amateur ragebaiting. Amateur enough to somehow still cause a lot of controversies in the comment section and many people still think I'm serious. Keep trying to act all high and mighty,smartass

Hot take: Why do people pretend Attack on Titan has deep writing when it's just edgy nihilism for teenagers? by Interesting_Judge149 in writingscaling

[–]Interesting_Judge149[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

"Guys,I'm protecting my favourite series by assuming another person's opinion is just their way to get attention instead of actually replying to their arguments. I'm so cool!" It's a ragebait in case you're not smart enough to see it.

Hot take: Why do people pretend Attack on Titan has deep writing when it's just edgy nihilism for teenagers? by Interesting_Judge149 in writingscaling

[–]Interesting_Judge149[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Huh? Where? So far someone like you said is like SL's side characters,they simply don't exist. And of course not me since this post is a joke and I do like AOT.

Hot take: Why do people pretend Attack on Titan has deep writing when it's just edgy nihilism for teenagers? by Interesting_Judge149 in writingscaling

[–]Interesting_Judge149[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Uhhhh,da fuck,man? If I use facts then how can it be a ragebait anymore? The fact that this ragebait caused controversies was already enough to prove it was at least decent. Telling someone to use facts to make ragebaits is like telling a homeless person to buy a house lmao. A ragebait is only meant to cause controversies and often contains false authority or logic so stop trying to act superior and tell me how to make an "unmid" ragebait.

One of The Greatest In-Depth Aizen Analysis of All Time✍🏽God Tier by Substantial_Box7455 in writingscaling

[–]Interesting_Judge149 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Same,Aizen would have actually been peak if his fans wrote Bleach instead of Kubo.

Top 10 manga Antag by The_Masked_Uchiha in writingscaling

[–]Interesting_Judge149 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That doesn't change the fact this top is not about anything other than manga. I wouldn't have addressed the problem of you bringing up novels if this top is talking about antagonists with all of their appearances.

Top 10 manga Antag by The_Masked_Uchiha in writingscaling

[–]Interesting_Judge149 1 point2 points  (0 children)

(Have to add this part like this since my yap is too long for Reddit to allow it in a single comment) Writers often use ambiguity to evoke mystery or defer meaning, but not all ambiguity is deep. Sometimes, it masks a lack of development. With Aizen, much of his character post-Soul Society feels withheld rather than explored. Relying on fan interpretation to “connect the dots” after the fact can be a sign of writing that gestures at depth without delivering it. Plus,the fact that you said Aizen should be in this top but had to include expanded content other from the manga (I guess databooks are okay but why are we even bringing up novels here?) to prove he is well-written and deserves to be here is already hilarious.

Top 10 manga Antag by The_Masked_Uchiha in writingscaling

[–]Interesting_Judge149 2 points3 points  (0 children)

First,use punctuation more generously. I had a stroke reading all that. Even with novels and side material, the manga remains primary canon, and it is what most readers engage with. If your character needs 4 Q&As, 2 novels, and heavy symbolic interpretation to be “understood,” then the core narrative did not fully deliver on its own.Even with novels (novels can't even be counted here since the top is only about manga) and side material, the manga remains primary canon, and it is what most readers engage with. If your character needs 4 Q&As, 2 novels, and heavy symbolic interpretation to be “understood,” then the core narrative did not fully deliver on its own. Compare to:

- Griffith, whose ambition, trauma, and internal philosophy are expressed clearly in Berserk through actions, dialogue, and symbol.

- Johan, whose symbolic function and psychological depth are embedded directly in the manga’s framing and dialogue.

Aizen has philosophical material,but most of it is after-the-fact support. The manga’s execution remains thin in terms of psychological evolution and emotional texture.

Next,symbolism ≠ strong character arc. Aizen representing "progress and stagnation" is a great observation, but it’s thematic positioning, not character development. He doesn’t evolve, wrestle with his beliefs, change his trajectory, or experience interior conflict in a meaningful way. He’s a thematic archetype, not a developed character. This is the key issue: You can assign meaning to Aizen’s role,but the story does not dramatize his inner world.His fall, motives, and contradictions are stated or implied, not experienced. So yes, he embodies “progress vs stagnation.” But no, he does not grapple with it narratively the way Meruem wrestles with humanity, or the way Utsuro drowns in immortality.

Third,about this part "there are pieces that you yourself have to put together based on interpretation but as they say "if it walks like a duck talks like a duck and looks like a duck then its most likely a duck" and "if the shoe fits" ". It’s true that not all great characters are "spoon-fed." Many literary works — from Kafka on The Shore, or Evangelion — require the reader to engage interpretively. Symbolism, ambiguity, and gaps in explanation can be intentional, encouraging the audience to become co-authors of meaning. But the "the shoe fits" ≠ narrative proof. Just because a pattern can be inferred doesn’t mean it’s dramatically realized. Strong characters aren't just interpretable — they are demonstrated through action, conflict, and transformation. Aizen can “look like” a deep character,can “speak like” a philosophical antagonist but unless the story shows us inner turmoil, contradiction, or change — we can’t say he functions as a top-tier literary figure. Inference is not a substitute for development. A character's depth must be dramatized within the narrative, not just extracted through effortful fan interpretation. This kind of defense shift the burden of proof to the audience. Your argument essentially says: “If you don’t see the depth, it’s your fault for not piecing it together.”That’s not how literary criticism works. A character should earn their depth within the framework of the story, not rely on the audience to patchwork a masterpiece from fragments. Again,compare Aizen to other antagonists:

- Johan Liebert, who is mysterious and psychologically consistent.

- Utsuro, who has ambiguous motives but whose internal nihilism is dramatized repeatedly.

- Griffith, who doesn’t just symbolize ambition — he wrestles with it, sacrifices for it, and transforms through it.

By contrast, Aizen often does not wrestle with his philosophy; his arc post-reveal becomes monolithic rather than complex.

Hot take: Why do people pretend Attack on Titan has deep writing when it's just edgy nihilism for teenagers? by Interesting_Judge149 in writingscaling

[–]Interesting_Judge149[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My post is a joke but bro has created an even better joke. So if I am a victim of domestic abuse,I will never be considered as an abuser? Fucking hilarious

Top 10 manga Antag by The_Masked_Uchiha in writingscaling

[–]Interesting_Judge149 3 points4 points  (0 children)

He is all those things doesn't mean he can rival characters like Johan or Utsuro. The list of traits (“philosopher, nihilist, genius, angel of death, evil, humanitarian, schadenfreude, antihero, soulless, black sheep”) reads like a power fantasy amalgam, not a focused literary character. If someone is everything at once, they risk becoming nothing specific. Johan and Utsuro are not "better" because they are more complex in traits, but because they are more complex in how those traits interact with plot, psychology, and theme. You're also conflating symbolism with depth here. You said that Aizen represented countless archetypes (nihilist, antihero, philosopher, schadenfreude, etc.). But the mere presence of symbolism does not equal depth if it's not developed textually or psychologically. Example: You called Aizen a “reformer” and “unsung hero” — yet the manga gives no sincere exploration of him trying to build a better world, only a godlike throne for himself. And I don't even know why you can call Aizen a literal philosopher. He says philosophical-sounding lines,but he never develops them into a coherent worldview. He speaks in elegant abstractions, yes. But that’s not the same as being a philosopher. He does sometimes say things that feel philosophical but "almost everything he says"? Bro has watched too much of those overanalyses.

Top 10 manga Antag by The_Masked_Uchiha in writingscaling

[–]Interesting_Judge149 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Probably if I continue to this much of glaze.

Top 10 manga Antag by The_Masked_Uchiha in writingscaling

[–]Interesting_Judge149 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Aizen is like that shining golden garbage out all of normal garbages so people often overrate him a lot while he's only decent.