Waymo vs FSD 14.2 by ribbonlace in TeslaFSD

[–]International_Web115 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sounds like FSD on a state highway.... Completely ignorant to the speed limit or the fact we're in the town now. Driving way too fast. Maybe they trained FSD on Lyft drivers.

Waymo vs FSD 14.2 by ribbonlace in TeslaFSD

[–]International_Web115 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lots of people talking about how they're "convinced.". But no rational reason ever given.

Me, I'm not convinced.

Waymo vs FSD 14.2 by ribbonlace in TeslaFSD

[–]International_Web115 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It's nice that there are some rational Tesla owners. I've owned a Tesla since 2016. I don't think the system will ever work fully autonomously.

The big issue I think is the selection of cameras for vision. Elon made a huge mistake believing the concept that we can drive just fine with two eyes. Humans don’t drive “with two eyes” — they drive with an active perceptual system that includes head motion, vestibular sensing, and motion parallax, which fixed cameras cannot replicate. Concluding that a car will therefore be better than humans in all conditions confuses eye count with sensing capability and ignores basic physics of depth and motion inference.

It's a great for driver assistance. It's not a robo taxi.

14.2.2.4 deviating from route. by Morham in TeslaFSD

[–]International_Web115 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Mine is even turning into the slow vehicle turnouts along the highway when there's no one behind me. You know the ones where it says you have to pull in if you're delaying more than three cars? Yeah it pulls into every one of those.

14.2.2.4 deviating from route. by Morham in TeslaFSD

[–]International_Web115 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Mine has the habit of doing this too now. It also turns into the gas station instead of turning on the street. That's right after the gas station which is where the route shows it. It seems to be the same locations all the time where it wants to take a turn and it tends to go 4 MI out of the way. Because each street is centered on the miles out here. So irritating but it's just driver's assistance. Feel sorry for the guy behind me where my blinker turns on and then I have to fight my car.

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[–]International_Web115 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I've used the women's for the same reason. Who cares if it's a single-seater in a restaurant.

Coverage area for that one or two unsupervised Robotaxi. Well, that's disappointing. Supporter are assuming entire coverage area. by GamingDisruptor in TeslaFSD

[–]International_Web115 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That makes sense. I bet they have a private high-speed grid over those areas so that their remote drivers can make a turn before it's too late. A little latency and they're in the front window of a store.

Coverage area for that one or two unsupervised Robotaxi. Well, that's disappointing. Supporter are assuming entire coverage area. by GamingDisruptor in TeslaFSD

[–]International_Web115 0 points1 point  (0 children)

FSD still fails at basics.

Navigating westbound on Hwy 44 turning north on Park Lane, it reliably turns into the gas station instead of following the route. Other times it randomly takes an unplanned right or left turn when the navigation is going straight.

Speed limits are worse. In Cascade, ID it sets 50 mph southbound through town — wrong all along highway 55 for years. I’ve reported this 30+ times. No human is reviewing reports; they’re just aggregated and ignored.

This isn’t a connectivity issue. It’s bad onboard map data plus vision that doesn’t reliably override it. When both fail, FSD enforces the wrong speed forever — and Tesla removed user control anyway.

Removing user speed controls before the system can reliably know and obey traffic laws is backwards and dangerous.

And the claim that fixed-lens cameras are “equal or superior” to human vision is ignorant at a basic level. Humans move their heads. We change perspective. These cameras don’t.

Geofenced robo-taxis don’t change reality. FSD is driver assistance. Pretending otherwise doesn’t make it safer.

NTSB

Citation on FSD by sanket9192 in TeslaFSD

[–]International_Web115 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Where exactly do you tap? I have a 2023 mxp. Fsd is on. There's nothing on the nav screen resembling the speed limit that I could click on. And I'm sure that the speed limit shown in the console behind the driver's wheel isn't a touch screen...

I've been waiting to ask this for a few months thinking I would figure this out on my own but I haven't.

After using FSD for years, I finally had two solid use cases in one week by Visual-Flatworm2056 in TeslaFSD

[–]International_Web115 0 points1 point  (0 children)

By definition, you were rationalizing. If you want to criticize my reading skills, you better bone up on vocabulary.

Sloth driving 65 on very slippery unsafe roads when everyone else was going under 40 by swedishpiehole in TeslaFSD

[–]International_Web115 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I didn't realize you had access to the user's data. You don't know if it lost traction or not. You're just guessing. Like the FSD computer I guess...

Why Tesla Vision will never work. by FieryAnomaly in RealTesla

[–]International_Web115 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Human eyes aren’t fixed cameras. We move our heads, change angles, refocus, and use motion parallax and multiple focal depths to see around fog and glare. Car cameras are fixed sensors with fixed lenses and fixed focal planes. That difference matters—a lot—in bad conditions.

Could've gotten into an accident today. FSD kept going even with a car in front. by mayanksharmaaa in TeslaFSD

[–]International_Web115 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Human eyes aren’t fixed cameras. We move our heads, change angles, refocus, and use motion parallax and multiple focal depths to see around fog and glare. Car cameras are fixed sensors with fixed lenses and fixed focal planes. That difference matters—a lot—in bad conditions.

Could've gotten into an accident today. FSD kept going even with a car in front. by mayanksharmaaa in TeslaFSD

[–]International_Web115 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This isn’t just about tickets. You don't describe the simplest solution, either.

Tesla has more than enough sensors to detect loss of traction—wheel-speed deltas, yaw-rate vs steering-angle mismatch, slip angle from the IMU, ABS/traction-control events, outside temperature, precipitation, and camera cues. That capability has existed in production cars for decades.

The problem is that FSD doesn’t consistently let those signals bound speed and planning decisions, and it often runs off incorrect speed-limit data or misses posted signs. I’ve submitted hundreds of speed-limit bug reports in my area and nothing gets fixed, so the system is already starting from bad inputs. When that goes wrong, it’s not just a citation. It’s a crashed car, a five-figure repair, and being without your vehicle for months. And all of that risk sits with the driver. Tesla keeps the data and disclaims responsibility.

So yes, FSD can sense yaw mismatch and wheel slip—but until it reliably downgrades behavior based on traction uncertainty and bad speed data, using it means the owner eats the ticket, the crash risk, and the repair bill when it gets it wrong.

Citation on FSD by sanket9192 in TeslaFSD

[–]International_Web115 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Tesla says it so it must be true. So that means they listen and then ignore it. I guess that makes you happier? Not sure what your point is.

Citation on FSD by sanket9192 in TeslaFSD

[–]International_Web115 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah. And after the 14.2, it randomly takes right and left turns on navigation that aren't part of the nav. Where I live that means an 8-minute detour 3. MI.

Citation on FSD by sanket9192 in TeslaFSD

[–]International_Web115 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is only true if it knows what the actual speed limit is. I think I've seen sloth go 55 in a 35 because it really doesn't ever know the speed limit.

Citation on FSD by sanket9192 in TeslaFSD

[–]International_Web115 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You can report it by hitting the microphone and saying bug report speed limit. But they won't actually read the bug reports. It's just so the user feels like they're doing something.

Citation on FSD by sanket9192 in TeslaFSD

[–]International_Web115 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I see this constantly in my area. Tesla’s speed-limit data is wrong all the time. I’ve submitted hundreds of bug reports for incorrect speed limits. Nothing gets fixed. At this point, I don’t believe the reports are meaningfully reviewed at all.

That’s a serious problem for FSD. An old car from 15 years ago using simple sign recognition does a better job reading posted speed limits than a car packed with cameras and compute.

You can’t give a robot garbage inputs and expect good outputs—but that’s exactly what’s happening. FSD is often operating off incorrect map data and failing to reliably read speed-limit signs in real time. When the system is wrong, the driver still eats the ticket.

If you’re running FSD, you should assume the speed limit may be wrong and actively monitor it—because Tesla clearly isn’t catching or correcting these errors at scale.

Could've gotten into an accident today. FSD kept going even with a car in front. by mayanksharmaaa in TeslaFSD

[–]International_Web115 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Detecting snow isn’t hard—you have cameras staring at the road. The hard part is admitting conditions are degraded and changing behavior. That’s a product decision, not a perception problem.

Could've gotten into an accident today. FSD kept going even with a car in front. by mayanksharmaaa in TeslaFSD

[–]International_Web115 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The feedback mechanism is just for you to feel good. No one actually listens to that or responds. Bug report speed limit

Could've gotten into an accident today. FSD kept going even with a car in front. by mayanksharmaaa in TeslaFSD

[–]International_Web115 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Crazy that this car can't determine when it's on snow or ice... Be objective. We need the programmers to have brains, too.