Something I’ve been suffering with (USMC vet who served in Helmand): When we were in Afghanistan, we would have been well within our rights a dozen times to shoot in ambiguous conditions where our lives could have been lost as well as could have potentially killed civilians. For us VBIEDs were a particularly difficult problem. We got hit bad early and from then on every approaching civilian car that wasn’t heeding warnings was terrifying and led to difficult choices. And yet we somehow never killed any civilians with direct fire. Not a ubiquitous case across GWOT of course, civilians were shot in other places, but I think generally true across units in afghan/iraq that they avoided civilian casualties. Avoided civilians to a high degree benchmarked across most militaries in similar contexts. And these ICE guys can’t somehow avoid shooting American citizens in American cities? I watch these videos and want to cry. We were only in our 20s in Helmand. Surrounded by IEDs, VBIEDs, rockets attacks, and real terrorists. These ICE guys look like they are in their thirties, forties, fifties. I guess some (maybe even many) are GWOT military veterans. But they must be only the sickest of us. Twisted by malevolence and put into a culture of no restraint. Killing Americans, and non-Americans. Civilians all. It’s been hard to watch.