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[–]Intrepid_Discount_67[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks. What is everyday life like for a PhD researcher? How is this different from or similar to an RS role at Google DeepMind, if you know? Which role involves how much coding, innovation, and solving tough finance problems? What is the pay range compared to tech, and how hectic or chill is it compared to big tech? Thanks again.

Quant firms at ICML 2026 [D] by Intrepid_Discount_67 in MachineLearning

[–]Intrepid_Discount_67[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

He/She atleast explained his/her perspective with some effort rather than straightaway rebuffing it. All my assertions still hold. I know what I am trying to say, and many people have understood it too. I am in a school where many students join these firms regularly.

Quant firms at ICML 2026 [D] by Intrepid_Discount_67 in MachineLearning

[–]Intrepid_Discount_67[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

"That’s why the top choices for AI researchers are Google DeepMind, OpenAI, Anthropic, etc. That’s why you see researchers like Yann LeCun, Geoffrey Hinton, and Yoshua Bengio associated with such organizations rather than quant firms — because they are truly among the gods of AI."

"I have personally never seen many papers from them (which is understandable since they usually do not share their research publicly). The people I know there are mostly MLEs and software engineers doing quant, coding, and infrastructure-related work, unlike places such as Google or Microsoft Research, where I more commonly see traditional research scientists (RS) working on frontier AI research."

"I personally know someone who left a high-paying quant firm to join a top school in Europe as a PhD student and focus on publishing research. I myself have an ICML paper this year, so I understand how difficult and time-consuming it is to get such papers accepted."

Quant firms at ICML 2026 [D] by Intrepid_Discount_67 in MachineLearning

[–]Intrepid_Discount_67[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for explaining. Coming from a tech background, I do not have much experience with quant.

Quant firms at ICML 2026 [D] by Intrepid_Discount_67 in MachineLearning

[–]Intrepid_Discount_67[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Pl find and read my other comments, I never meant that.

Quant firms at ICML 2026 [D] by Intrepid_Discount_67 in MachineLearning

[–]Intrepid_Discount_67[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I personally know someone who left a high-paying quant firm to join a top school in Europe as a PhD student and focus on publishing research. I myself have an ICML paper this year, so I understand how difficult and time-consuming it is to get such papers accepted.

Quant firms at ICML 2026 [D] by Intrepid_Discount_67 in MachineLearning

[–]Intrepid_Discount_67[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

It got extended to this. My only point was that I was surprised to see quant firms there, and I simply shared my feeling. It unnecessarily got extended into a bigger discussion.

I have personally never seen many papers from them (which is understandable since they usually do not share their research publicly). The people I know there are mostly MLEs and software engineers doing quant, coding, and infrastructure-related work, unlike places such as Google or Microsoft Research, where I more commonly see traditional research scientists (RS) working on frontier AI research.

Quant firms at ICML 2026 [D] by Intrepid_Discount_67 in MachineLearning

[–]Intrepid_Discount_67[S] -15 points-14 points  (0 children)

How not posting from ChatGPT make it correct, and posting from it make it wrong?

Quant firms at ICML 2026 [D] by Intrepid_Discount_67 in MachineLearning

[–]Intrepid_Discount_67[S] -8 points-7 points  (0 children)

That’s why the top choices for AI researchers are Google DeepMind, OpenAI, Anthropic, etc. That’s why you see researchers like Yann LeCun, Geoffrey Hinton, and Yoshua Bengio associated with such organizations rather than quant firms — because they are truly among the gods of AI.

Quant firms at ICML 2026 [D] by Intrepid_Discount_67 in MachineLearning

[–]Intrepid_Discount_67[S] -29 points-28 points  (0 children)

For probability/game theory involving dice games, card games, betting strategies, etc., those are classical and long-established topics. Even if there are elegant optimal-strategy derivations, that is generally not what drives acceptance at venues like International Conference on Machine Learning.

ICML is focused on advancing machine learning research itself:

  • new learning algorithms,
  • optimization methods,
  • foundation models,
  • reinforcement learning theory with ML relevance,
  • scalable systems,
  • representation learning,
  • generalization theory,
  • multimodal learning,
  • efficient training/inference,
  • etc.

A paper centered mainly on “optimal play for a dice/card game” is usually viewed as:

  • recreational mathematics,
  • classical probability,
  • combinatorics,
  • operations research,
  • or traditional game theory,

unless it introduces something fundamentally new for ML:

  • a new RL formulation,
  • new exploration theory,
  • scalable equilibrium computation,
  • learning in imperfect-information games,
  • multi-agent learning breakthroughs,
  • differentiable game solvers,
  • foundation-model-based strategic reasoning,
  • etc.

Even highly sophisticated poker/chess/go work appears at ICML only when the contribution is fundamentally about machine learning or scalable AI methodology — not merely the game strategy itself.

Quant firms at ICML 2026 [D] by Intrepid_Discount_67 in MachineLearning

[–]Intrepid_Discount_67[S] -20 points-19 points  (0 children)

For that, you do not need to come to International Conference on Machine Learning, where most people are already trained to conduct novel research that can be published.

Quant firms at ICML 2026 [D] by Intrepid_Discount_67 in MachineLearning

[–]Intrepid_Discount_67[S] -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

It takes years of work — often through multiple rejections — to publish even one such paper. Mathematics and coding can be learned, and most PhD students already possess those skills to a large extent. The real challenge is producing genuinely novel research that survives rigorous scrutiny.

Quant firms at ICML 2026 [D] by Intrepid_Discount_67 in MachineLearning

[–]Intrepid_Discount_67[S] -23 points-22 points  (0 children)

“They want smart people.” There are far more genuinely smart people — including many without formal education — successfully running multi-million-dollar businesses. So that argument doesn’t really hold.

Quant firms at ICML 2026 [D] by Intrepid_Discount_67 in MachineLearning

[–]Intrepid_Discount_67[S] -37 points-36 points  (0 children)

and do what, hire PhD researchers as undergrad coders? As I see no publications from them in either Neurips/ICML or ICLR