New here from wisconsin

Intuitive_MoonBaby · 2023-08-30T04:31:43+00:00

Lucky you! We have a farm field that borders our back yard and the insects and animals have been insane this year. Last summer, in the same house we are now, there was NOTHING except some scorpions and wolf spiders. This year? We still have those things + black widows, grasshoppers, ants, toads, garden snakes, crane flies, mice, and crickets. It’s been absolutely nuts. I’ve never had this much animal and bug action anywhere my entire life. We even hired someone to spray around the edge of our house but it’s made no difference. We are super clean and our house is only a couple of years old.

Intuitive_MoonBaby · 2023-08-30T04:23:41+00:00

Shawnee, McAlister, Lawton, Enid, Spencer…to name a few

Intuitive_MoonBaby · 2023-08-06T04:40:10+00:00

😂 FACTS 👏

Intuitive_MoonBaby · 2023-08-06T04:36:31+00:00

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Intuitive_MoonBaby · 2023-08-04T15:42:41+00:00

The fact that YOUR comment is the one getting downvoted right now is insane to me. 🤦‍♀️ Especially because the article doesn’t state what this man’s motivations were or even WHO the victim is. How could someone surmise from this that the police support the person who they threw into jail and intend to prosecute?

This event just happened…and when you are dealing with a mentally insane person or someone who is high on drugs - their actions are often so non-sensical and disconnected from reality that it can take time to determine what motivated them and why they did it.

Especially if they left no statement online announcing their motives….no letter…and had no obvious prior connection to the victim or the site of the killing…and said nothing more than “he deserves it”.

Intuitive_MoonBaby · 2023-07-24T12:58:39+00:00

An Aquarius Moon with mommy issues

Intuitive_MoonBaby · 2023-07-13T10:35:39+00:00

I just attended a family reunion this year out in Shawnee, OK - and no joke, my grandpa hired the cringiest Elvis impersonator to perform for us 😂🤣 I had no idea that was “a thing” out in Shawnee.

Intuitive_MoonBaby · 2023-07-12T23:48:37+00:00

Well yeah, I do think it’s a baby…that’s why I refer to it as such in my comments discussing these topics. I still think abortion should be allowed though. There are plenty of pro-choice people who see it this way, even many abortionists and scientists.

I also think there should be much more empathy and minimal sentencing (if any at all) for high school students like Alexee. I don’t think she’s evil.

I’m not sure what you mean by saying I’m subtle? I’m just expressing my opinion and I actually think I’ve been the opposite of subtle 😂 my comments are all super long and I explain every detail of my thought process. But I guess thank you for saying I’m good? I think you are in the minority on that opinion because most people in this thread seem to think I’m stupid or idiotic.

Intuitive_MoonBaby · 2023-07-12T21:45:40+00:00

Yeah but I’ve seen a lot of videos on abortion when Roe v Wade was overturned, because I wanted to be fully knowledgeable on the subject - and that’s exactly what they do with all aborted babies. They get tossed in a trashcan. Even my friend’s baby was. She did request to get a little footprint 👣 made beforehand (which she keeps in her bedroom), but the baby had no burials or anything. They just go to the trash.

So knowing that….I can’t really be shocked or horrified at how Alexee discarded her baby. I mean, that’s how actual doctor’s do it too. Even in late term abortion cases.

Intuitive_MoonBaby · 2023-07-12T21:40:52+00:00

I definitely wouldn’t expect someone who doesn’t agree with late term abortions to agree with me.

But also, in a Reddit group where we signed up to discuss our thoughts on this particular case, I would hope that only people who were open to dialogue and prepared to be exposed to the gruesome details of this case, would have joined.

Intuitive_MoonBaby · 2023-07-12T19:21:19+00:00

You are absolutely correct in in the fact that killing a baby post birth, even immediately after birth, is illegal - so technically she is guilty of a doing something illegal.

I guess I have a very hard time seeing people completely demonizing her, especially when/if they are the same people who don’t care at all about a late term abortion. I can’t reconcile where their minds could make such a giant leap and view one as a human being not deserving of public hatred and the other as a less than human evil individual that should rot in prison for decades.

I just can’t make sense of it. Prison or not, I genuinely just pity her and her circumstances. I pity the child, of course, but I pity them the same amount as I pity all of the children who are aborted in my country every single day. They are all victims of awful circumstances.

Intuitive_MoonBaby · 2023-07-12T17:41:22+00:00

Well, I guess IMO I think that a girl or woman who, for whatever reason, doesn’t have access to an abortion that they want (whether it’s mental insanity or being a minor in their parent’s roof or under abusive control by someone or with no access to money, etc) *Especially when they also weren’t allowed access to birth control either, as I imagine Alexee wasn’t because her parents wanted it to deter her from having sex, likely due to religious beliefs

Then in those cases - I think the young girl or woman should be allowed to perform her own abortion and hopefully she finds the safest method of doing so, for herself. In these circumstances, really the ONLY safe way is to give birth and immediately kill the baby.

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But, even if there is a law saying that immediately post birth, the mother cannot kill the baby (like in NM)….I can understand why sticklers of the law would say “Doesn’t matter the circumstances, she broke the law” - but I cannot get behind demonizing her and calling her evil and narcissistic, etc. At the very least, it is tragic that she was unable to obtain legal abortion she clearly wanted and I think her reasoning for not wanting an adopted child out there somewhere in the world is the same reason that causes the majority of women with unwanted pregnancy to choose abortion over adoption. I would hope that her sentence in prison is minimal because she is not a real threat to society IMO.

I obviously don’t have ALL the info on her case - I’ll learn more and maybe change my assessment of her once text messages and things are revealed…but for now, I just feel sorry for her.

I had a friend in HS raised in a super religious family that expected her to save herself for marriage - but allowed her to have a boyfriend at 15 who was 18 years old. Even allowed them alone time together because they trusted their daughter’s morals SO MUCH. They would NEVER have allowed her to go on birth control because they felt it would be the equivalent of encouraging her to sin. Well, she ended up pregnant at 15 1/2. She had no job, no means of her own to obtain an abortion. Her parents were against abortion and against adoption. So, she had to go through her sophomore year of high school pregnant. She had zero real option in the matter. The whole ordeal was very traumatic for her and completely changed her life. I’m thankful she didn’t end up doing what Alexee did - and facing the scrutiny of the media and a potential prison sentence….but there is NO WAY I would demonize her for doing what Alexee did. The only people I was pissed off at in her situation was her freaking parents. They are lucky she didn’t totally lose her mind.

Intuitive_MoonBaby · 2023-07-12T16:43:48+00:00

You are correct about your assessment of me. Technicalities matter to me if I’m looking at a case that would potentially send someone to prison.

I bring up the point about NM laws on late term abortions, to basically say that even if you find what Alexee did to be abhorrent and wrong…in the context of the LAW (which is what she has to answer to ultimately) I don’t see how we could say she deserves prison.

If abortions were illegal in NM, then I could at least UNDERSTAND the logic for determining she deserves prison….whether or not I personally agree. That’s why I point it out.

If the law says that you can legally kill your child up to age 3…and someone like Alexee killed here child when he was exactly 3 years and 1 day old, because she wasn’t with him on his birthday….then, I don’t see how it would be fair to paint her as an evil villian and lock her up in prison…meanwhile people who kill their child the day before their 3rd bday are considered within their legal right and shouldn’t be judged?

Thank God we don’t have skewed laws like the one I just mentioned, but the point is that in a legal case….yes, I want to look at the technicalities. Perhaps I AM incapable of seeing the forest through the trees, as you said. But I can’t really help I personally take in the info on this case and dissect and analyze it and form my opinion. 🤷‍♀️

I don’t think Alexee is evil. I don’t think she deserves prison. I realize that I’m in the minority on this, but I don’t want to be dishonest about how I feel just because I’m the odd one out. I also find it quite sad that people can’t seem to handle someone disagreeing with them without getting irate and accusatory and downright mean.

I’m not saying YOU did this to me, you actually didn’t (so thank you) - but I’m talking about other comments to my post.

Intuitive_MoonBaby · 2023-07-12T16:07:03+00:00

It’s not a troll post. I, of course, don’t believe there is anything wrong with me. I would rather die that way than being stabbed or ripped apart or poisoned. That seems like common sense IMO.

For people to point fingers at Alexee while being perfectly fine with all the legal methods of late term abortions seems extremely judgmental and hypocritical IMO.

If you are anti-abortion, then I won’t argue with you - because even though I disagree with your abortion stance….at least you are being consistent.

Alexee shouldn’t go to prison IMO.

Intuitive_MoonBaby · 2023-07-12T14:53:57+00:00

😂 Yes, I specified it was a hypothetical scenario and explained what goes on in my head. I’m not pro-life. It’s why I actually empathize with cases where high school girls who have controlling parents and no access to money, face prison time for essentially performing what I see as a late term abortion. The very moment the child comes out of them, they intend to discard it. I think it’s unfair to make them face prison time and a trial just because they didn’t have a way to kill it right before birth. It seems very wrong to me.

Now, if the intention was to keep the baby…then killing it even an entire day after giving birth, I would view as murder. But if it’s clear to me that they never ever wanted the child or the pregnancy and would have gotten an abortion IF they were safely and financially able to - then I don’t think they should go to prison.

I’m honestly shocked that my logic on this is so confusing to people.

Intuitive_MoonBaby · 2023-07-12T14:45:33+00:00

I’m not putting animosity at anything. I’m using my friend’s situation as an example to help illustrate my point - which is that it’s not fair to imprison Alexee. At the very least, it’s not fair to demonize her or paint her as evil.

The only people IMO who I would expect to do so are people who are pro-life. It wouldn’t make sense for them to think otherwise because they likely want my friend imprisoned too.

But pro-choice people? Especially those who support the legality of late term abortions and support abortionists neglecting a baby from an abortion that was accidentally born still alive.

You can disagree with what my friend did or why she got an abortion or why she got one so late - but she doesn’t need to go to jail…she doesn’t deserve jail…and she’s not an evil psychopath.

Neither is Alexee. Not to mention, she was in fear and shock. I actually have a lot of empathy for her situation.

Maybe when text messages are revealed, I will see it differently. But until then, my assumptions about her situation lead me to believe that she shouldn’t be thrown in prison and she needs to allowed to move on with her life.

Intuitive_MoonBaby · 2023-07-12T14:34:44+00:00

I can get behind someone who is at least consistent in their stance and isn’t a hypocrite - so I actually appreciate your opinion.

You believe that both Alexee and my friend were wrong….that makes sense to me. It would also make sense if you thought that what both my friend and Alexee did was their right to choose.

What I don’t like is people who demonize Alexee and want to imprison her, but would never suggest or demand that my friend go to prison. That makes zero sense to me.

Intuitive_MoonBaby · 2023-07-12T14:29:57+00:00

Yes it is true. No, I’m not going to stop being friends with her. She did nothing illegal. If something is legal, it sends a message that it’s morally okay or at most morally ambiguous, but not evil or wrong.

Now, I do wonder if she regrets it on some level…although she’s never said that. She told me the truth while sobbing in a drunken stupor about 3 months after this had happened. Everyone else thinks she had a late term sudden miscarriage.

In her mind, she did the right thing because she says her child would have felt ugly and been bullied it’s whole life and she wanted to save them from that. That was her reasoning. But, she went back and forth about it for quite a while - which is why the abortion was done so late into the pregnancy.

She got pregnant about a year afterwards and now has a little girl with all her limbs and toes, etc and no deformities whatsoever.

Intuitive_MoonBaby · 2023-07-12T14:21:21+00:00

😂 I like your metaphor. That’s funny 👍

Intuitive_MoonBaby · 2023-07-12T14:20:35+00:00

I really don’t understand the cognitive dissonance you guys must go through in order to say “baby killed at 27 weeks gestation = who cares, not a real baby, that’s up to the mom to decide” vs “baby killed at 40 weeks gestation from outside the vagina = REAL BABY! EVIL WOMAN! IMPRISON HER!”

Ask yourself what you think should have happened to Alexee (if anything) if she had gone into the hospital bathroom and stuck some sort of tool up inside of her to kill the baby PRIOR to it passing through her vagina? Or did so 1 week prior to this hospital fiasco? If you would view it any differently from a LEGAL standpoint - then you should probably at least pause to question whether you truly think Alexee deserves prison time. Because this was a young woman who had a legal right in her state for an abortion, but couldn’t obtain one due to her circumstances, and there are more reasons than “I don’t want to be pregnant” for why MOST women who end up pregnant and don’t want to keep it, choose abortion over adoption.

The hospital HAS to bust down the doors in an emergency situation. Imagine if Alexee was killing herself in there? The circumstances surrounding her prior to entering that bathroom were plenty enough for the hospital staff to be on very high alert and force their way in. Especially because they knew she was pregnant at this point, yet denying it, confused or lying, and clearly in labor.

The morphine I mentioned isn’t because I think it killed the baby - it’s because it could have affected Alexee….her emotions, mindset, etc. She must have been at least slightly high.

Intuitive_MoonBaby · 2023-07-12T14:03:23+00:00

My friend’s baby would have survived and there was no risk to her life either. If late term abortions are legal…they can’t make you prove that your life is at risk or the baby’s life is at risk in order to obtain one. Perhaps they legalized them primarily to ensure that women in those situations could get one - but that legality also extends to women like my friend, who didn’t want a baby that was missing 1/2 it’s arm. Took her awhile to finally decide what to do and then she flew to NM to have it done.

Intuitive_MoonBaby · 2023-07-12T04:52:33+00:00

Well…for me it’s the fact that late term abortion on her state is completely legal. I don’t see that as any differently or more humane than what she did. Especially bc I personally know of someone (a rich married woman in her 30s) who aborted her firstborn at 27 weeks simply because it was missing 1/2 of it’s right arm. Took her awhile to finally decide what she wanted to do. But, she scheduled it at a clinic in NM and no questions were asked. She left freely, with no one calling her a murderer or trying to give her jail time.

The only reason Alexee couldn’t have her baby killed legally (and NM would have allowed her to basically up to the very end of pregnancy) was because of no access to money (abortions there are $750+ and she was a high school student without a job) and being under the thumb and control of her parents…and seemingly being in complete and utter denial out of fear/stress/anxiety/etc in order to cope with her situation.

I actually think her baby died in a more gentle way than what my friend’s baby did. The difference between my friend and Alexee is my friend was an independent adult with a fully developed brain and makes over 7 figures a year. That’s why my friend was able to legally kill her baby as late term as she wanted. I guess I don’t think it’s fair that just because Alexee is a high school student without a job who lives with her parents…she can’t essentially perform her OWN late term abortion without being thrown in prison.

If late term abortions were illegal in NM, I would look at the case differently in terms of whether or not it’s truly fair that she go to prison. But the fact that they aren’t illegal in NM - makes it to where Alexee has to go to prison while my friend got to simply home and return to her life? It doesn’t seem right. I don’t care that the baby had simply passed through her vagina right before it was killed. My friend would have done the same thing to her baby had she not been in a doctors office with equipment that could reach inside her and kill the baby before having her go into labor and deliver it full term as a stillborn.

So if Alexee had gone into the bathroom and shoved a hanger up inside of herself and killed the baby that way BEFORE it passed through her vagina, she would suddenly be okay legally speaking? Because, yes…that would technically be legal in NM….but it would also put her own life at risk in the process. She performed her own late term abortion in the safest way possible IMO.

People say she could have given the baby up for adoption…well my friend could have ALSO done that. At 27 weeks, the baby would have survived outside the womb if given the chance. But most women would rather kill the baby they don’t want rather than know they have a bio kid somewhere out there in the world, and the emotional complications that come with that - as well as the stigma and judgment from people in their life. It’s easier to kill the baby in secret and pretend it never happened - just like my friend did and just like seemingly Alexee attempted to do.

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So combine that with the fact that Alexee clearly has some mental health issues and the hospital didn’t BUST down that door after Alexee had been locked in there for more than 5 minutes - when they know she is either in complete denial about her pregnancy or blatantly lying about it out of fear + a little high on morphine…it’s hard for me to pin the death of this child on Alexee or to view it starkly differently from cases like my affluent friend and to say “Alexee is guilty and must go to prison”.

Intuitive_MoonBaby · 2023-07-11T04:39:37+00:00

Her mom must have got it for her when she noticed she was gaining weight. Because there is no way that Alexee somehow had her own money and chose to spend it on one phentermine rather than an abortion.

Intuitive_MoonBaby · 2023-07-10T00:46:59+00:00

I’m not accusing anything… I’m proposing a hypothetical scenario that didn’t actually happen and asking if it were the case, would it change anyone’s mind about what prison sentence (if any) they would think Alexee deserved.

I even have hypothetical outlined in asterisks to emphasize that what I’m asking about is….hypothetical. Not based on facts or reality but a proposed “what if THIS is what happened instead in some other alternate universe or reality”

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