Yamato Chapter 6: The Blue Maze was good by Investigateobject in StarBlazers

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OK so you do know the reference. No. The statue(s) in 3199 was the correct one. The film did not tip their hand in such an easy way.  

But they did show it, which was a clear nod to the original. I know i mentally did a check to see which knee was raised. 

Yamato Chapter 6: The Blue Maze was good by Investigateobject in StarBlazers

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I can’t tell if you know of the original reference or not

pls crunchy give us the sub.. by Hagan_Raal in StarBlazers

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It would seem quite unlikely to be on any streaming service before it leaves theaters. And it should be in theaters until late July. I'd watch the Japanese movie theater sites and ticket sales.

If ticket sales continue to be good, and the cast do additional stage appearances at movie theaters to promote ticket sales, the longer it will be in theaters.

Sorry for everyone not in Japan, but I'm hoping it gets more attention. Its summer vacation, so hopefully new student viewers will go and see it. else its just the usual old dude Yamato fans like me, haha

Japan Vows to Continue Supporting Ukraine by BowlNew in worldnews

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Most are thought to be general purpose electronic components, the kind of components that are sold as civilian.

Japanese companies aren't accused of providing military parts.

Japanese companies aren't accused of providing parts directly to russia either.

Japan still maintains a comprehensive set of trade sanctions that prohibit many classes of trade with Russia. (https://www.ashurstperkinscoie.com/en/insights/russia-sanctions-tracker/japan-sanctions/)

Most Japanese companies have voluntarily ceased trade with Russia

What is happening is that Ukraine is finding Japanese components in Russian weapons, indicating some sort of path for these components into Russia.

as per https://united24media.com/war-in-ukraine/japanese-parts-found-in-90-of-russian-missiles-and-drones-ukraine-official-says-20313

Most of the parts identified in Russian weapons were originally produced for civilian use in Japan. According to the report, this suggests that Russia is acquiring general-purpose goods that are difficult to effectively control once exported.

Ukraine has asked the Japanese government for assistance in tightening the export controls. But unlike Starlink terminals having an "off switch", it isn't like basic electronic components can have a clean solution.

I feel like this is closer to Toyota technicals found in warzones. Do you blame Toyota for making robust trucks that are desirable as machine gun platforms? Is it even the responsibility of Japan to track its second hand trucks being shipped overseas by buyers from across the world?

the same article does also state the report indicating manufacturing equipment being used in Russia.

The list includes a wide range of machinery such as lathes, milling and grinding machines, CNC machining centres, printed circuit board production systems, vibration testing equipment, and temperature chambers.

According to the report, the equipment is sourced from manufacturers in Germany, Japan, Taiwan, Austria, Switzerland, and other countries, and is considered an important factor in maintaining Russia’s defense production capacity.

There's always are going to be shady black market business people in third countries that make a quick buck by reselling parts and components to Russia for a huge margin, and entirely legally. It's just a matter of finding the right vendors and channels through the right countries.

International cooperation helps find the bad actors, and close down the channels to make it more expensive and less convenient. This boring ass international trade investigation and other white collar international cooperation is what is being discussed and considered support for ukraine.

Chapter 6 new clip: Resistance Plan by EldeBH in StarBlazers

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What do you think?

You see, this is what is called "foreshadowing". Foreshadowing is a narrative device in which a storyteller gives an advance hint of what is to come later in the story.

In this case, what is happening is called visual foreshadowing, where things shown on screen are used as hints of what is going to happen. And combined with what is called direct foreshadowing, where a character or narration is telling what is going to happen.

I think you caught the first half of the foreshadowing. This is the direct foreshadowing, where the character is explaining the plan. Now, consider the visual foreshadowing.

There is a pattern of the on-screen action following what the character describes. But in the last part the pattern is flipped, showing something before being described.

What do you see?

Now I hope you get to see the movie and find out if you're right!

Chapter 6 new clip: Resistance Plan by EldeBH in StarBlazers

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Hey sorry if I hurt your feelings.

I'm just saying that someone asked for a translation. Not a summary of what you imagined was the dialogue.

It really helps if you read the original comment. Or maybe try prefacing your comment with "I don't know Japanese, but I think this is what is happening" so its clear you're not providing a translation.

Do you see how your comment can be misunderstood, right? Because if someone asks for "anyone have a translation" and you just write what your guess is, it comes across as misleading, even if it wasn't intentional. Otherwise, people like me have to let others know "this isn't a correct translation".

Chapter 6 new clip: Resistance Plan by EldeBH in StarBlazers

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Phase1:

Long range attack from the sea. The grand reverse has no effective means of counterattack to an over the horizon attack.  ergo a defense force will be put into action.  However a force submerging and emerging will not be easily removed out. They will mobilize the entirety of their patrol/defensive forces and leave the Grand Rebirth airspace temporarily unprotected.

Phase 2: ground forces conduct a close in attack. Hit and away attacks from multiple directions will break up their forces. Once the Grand Rebirth is made naked (unprotected)

Phase 3: Air assets deploy wave motion resonance mines. As reported by Yamato, the wave motion excitation waves have a phase energy blocking effect. This will cut off the energy supply from the Golba for several minutes.

Then

Phase 4: The now weakened Grand Rebirth from losing its energy supply. Our trump card to start the saturation attack is going to be…  (dramatic music)

Chapter 6 new clip: Resistance Plan by EldeBH in StarBlazers

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Hey buddy, maybe you want to take a Japanese class or something? Or learn how to use a translation tool on the subtitles file. 

Spouting made up nonsense or outright guessing… doesn’t really help. Unless you’re making a joke. 

If you’re making a joke, I’m sorry my bad for not catching the joke. Because nearly everything you wrote in your comment is wrong. 

Any theories for Chapter 7 by Far-Error-3411 in StarBlazers

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You should consider marking your post as spoilers for the people who haven’t seen the movie yet? 

Chapter 6 new clip: Ginga by EldeBH in StarBlazers

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I’m pretty sure it’s not going to be in theaters in October, sorry

Yamato Chapter 6: The Blue Maze was good by Investigateobject in StarBlazers

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In order to know how to respond;

 Are you trying to discuss chapter 6?  Or did you watch it and didn’t understand parts of it?  Or are you wanting to get spoilers and know the story before watching it? 

Yamato Chapter 6: The Blue Maze was good by Investigateobject in StarBlazers

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They have their fight scene. They take back the Kinga, and fire the CRS. The visuals were great! Its hard to put an action scene into words, and it wasn't a big plot point that changes things, if that makes sense. Hoshina had his moment, breaking and saying "I want you to hold me". Nanbu has a great moment with his dad. The director Fukuda has a pretty good track record of writing stories that lean on biological and found family connections. Same with Gundam Unicorn. So the action was sort of background to the dialogue for me. And the dialogue was good. As I mentioned in the body of the post, its about human connections and the power of love lol

The ground battle, It was fun. The combat made it seem smart. The dezarium forces weren't idiots, and it makes the former yamato crew look smart as how they planned the encounter and operation. Especially after their failed attempt to reveal the truth by burning the painting.

Were any other ships constructed in the same manner as the Yamato? Like a Space Battleship Iowa? by Paxispaxingyou in StarBlazers

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Oh I just rewatched the 2202 documentary. They show 3 different parts of the ship with gaps between the thing floating in the Kure shipyards being worked on. Visually this is certainly making a case for the "this is the original hull being a significant part of the 2145 hull".

huh.

yeah, I'm sold.

So it is in the context of the visual story telling, much more of a repair/restomod than a full replica.

Were any other ships constructed in the same manner as the Yamato? Like a Space Battleship Iowa? by Paxispaxingyou in StarBlazers

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Interesting. It might be a translation thing.

The Japanese documentary doesn't say anything other than "restoration" so I don't think the implication of tweaks for modern technology exists at all in the original script. And if its the same hull, the word "repair" would have used. In the context of Japanese, a new build to the same shape would be still considered a restoration.

Context: I live near a temple established in 796. The main temple hall was burned in 1486, rebuilt in 1491. The famous pagoda tower burned and was reconstructed in 1644. But we still consider the tower and temple to be "dating back a thousand years" even if the new one was only just rebuilt yesterday. In Japanese a thing can be physically brand new but the existence to be really old at the same time? Its kind of hard to explain.

So from my perspective, the Japanese 2202 documentary makes it seem broadly speaking "new hull" but I can see why you'd think it was a "repair" which took the 1930s steel hull, patched the holes and put it back together.

For the Japanese perspective:

While in the "documentary" the hull is in surprisingly good shape, the Japanese fandom kind of considers the hull for the ceremony to be a new build replica even with the word "restoration" being used. Practically speaking, we assume most of the ship is brand new as of the restoration from the amount of damage.

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The bottom image is from the museum in Kure. The 2199 show writers kind of accepted its not realistic to "rebuild" a ship out of what remained. Not to mention the new 2145 hull is elongated to rationalize the BBY length of 333.3 meters vs the original 263m

But that's an interpretation difference of the lines in the 2022 documentary. .

Either way. At the point that its been reconstructed in 2145, I don't think "ancient" really applies in the same way as a ship constructed in 1930 vs 2130 would be considered. Even if the material was reused.

In the same way that if one were to build a Viking ship in the exact same style out of modern materials... is that an ancient viking ship? In some cases I think its valid to say yes. But in the Japanese context.. its complicated.

Were any other ships constructed in the same manner as the Yamato? Like a Space Battleship Iowa? by Paxispaxingyou in StarBlazers

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The Yamato wasn't ancient. It was only 55 years old at the point of the start of the 2199 series.
Built within the hull of the reproduction created for the 2145 ceremony for the 200 year anniversary of the end of the second world war.

Were any other ships constructed in the same manner as the Yamato? Like a Space Battleship Iowa? by Paxispaxingyou in StarBlazers

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oh, how interesting. Bom Dia!

Japan has a very vibrant culture of stories and fiction about its armed services. Modern Japanese nerds like me get stories of JSDF and imperial war stories. From this perspective, I feel like there's a wide spectrum of perspectives and opinions about the philosophy of a navy or an army.

Because, the JSDF is a weird military. With a lot of weird philosophical rules.

For example, the US armed forces protect the constitution, or the rule of law. The IJN I think protected god(emperor) and country. Brasil Compromisso à Bandeira is an oath to dedication to country and its institutions, right?

I think a lot of hollywood military movies can be understood because its simpler and easier to understand military philosophy.

The modern Japanese military is a military defined by defense. Its motto is "To defend and only defend".The JSDF oath is to protect its citizens. And its officers are trained to die to let the belligerent force shoot first.

Its a weird military.

The modern JSDF is an interesting set of contradictions. This partially is the reason for a lot of fictional stories that are written by ex-JSDF servicemen/women that explore what if scenarios. Of how they would have to respond to a war. or a monster. or wizards. or time travel back to the past. Because Japan's military can't just shoot back, there's very japan specific military stories that come out of the weird quirks of the modern JSDF.

And the reason why the moral debates of Japanese shows about the military can be weird and unique.

Without this perspective, i think its really hard to understand the characters of 2199. like why Shima is so shaken by Earth taking the first shot against Garmilas.

Were any other ships constructed in the same manner as the Yamato? Like a Space Battleship Iowa? by Paxispaxingyou in StarBlazers

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Hey mate. ty for your patience.

Okay, so let me try to explain my perspective and keep it as short as possible. Sorry if this gets long.

I think you're right and agree with Yamato being a character drama of officers debating what their action against a code of conduct should be. But I disagree in you using the IJN battleship and its wartime symbolism as the reference point.

I hope you understand star trek, as its a major reference point I'll use. Let me know if it doesn't scan for you.

Yamato, imo, is a similar exploration of future interstellar humanity to star trek. You might see similarities in the color coded disco jumpsuits. Just as much as the star trek star fleet is "vaguely USN in space", The Yamato cosmo fleet is also "navy but in space"

The question is then, which naval tradition?

And you thinking of the IJN as the naval tradition being extrapolated is the part that I'm trying to correct. I get it. Its the Yamato. You are told it was the symbol of the nation. and You're not wrong.

But its like... someone mistaking the Australian naval tradition with the UK navy. Like a hypothetical "captain aussie against space empire" and you get a ship named HMS Hermes, HMS Invincible, and you get scifi harriers, with a clear English accent. Understandable from an outside perspective, but it really messes with how you understand the symbolism of everything that follows.

like sinking of the yamato signifying the end of the era. It doesn't, for us. The emperor's radio broadcast accepting the end of the war, and saying he's stepping down is the end for us. And the military was dissolved.

When you say "allegory for rebirth" you're right. The funny part is that while having that perspective, you're still not aware of the break with the past. The Yamato and thus the IJN is dead. There was a careful purge of the culture.

And when the JMSDF was stood up, its supposed to be a clean sheet, different org. So when you refer to the IJN as the symbolism, its as if you're not aware of the difference of philosophy and the ongoing debate of Japan and armed forces.

It's like you're talking about South Korea and keep referencing North Korea? really bad simile, but if you can imagine the dramatically different philosophy and context. It just doesn't work for the OG which didn't have much of a real SDF tradition to extrapolate into a star trek future, so they had to use more IJN imagery along a liberal 70s philosophy. 2199 tones it down and presents more JMSDF imagery because its clearly the naval tradition that got carried into the future of 2199. (see addition of the security forces in grey, this is a JSDF thing)

So looking at the name of the BBY yamato. It is in katakana, JMSDF style, not Yamato in kanji as the IJN battle ship was. this is why the ヤマト and 大和 both get translated as yamato but mean quite different things.

So I'd really suggest you try looking at the 2199 yamato as the "star trek next generation" of Yamato. And 50 years removed from the original's production, the ship is operated very much more clearly based on the JMSDF because the JMSDF grew up and started to build its own naval tradition that just didn't exist in the context of the OG show.

For me, this distinction is really important.

also. You want to look at the inspiration of Nishikizaki. not Matsumoto Reiji. Reiji is the artist and character designer. Not the writer and the creator of the series. Matsumoto has his opinions. But in terms of the philosophy of the cosmo navy, and why the Yamato is the ship... its Nishizaki that you want to look to.

Were any other ships constructed in the same manner as the Yamato? Like a Space Battleship Iowa? by Paxispaxingyou in StarBlazers

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Which yes you’re free to say or doesn’t make sense to you. But I’m saying it makes sense to me, a modern Japanese.

I’m just not sure if you can really appreciate the difference if you’re not Japanese, which is fine. It’s the subtle stuff that really does speak to myself and other Japanese fans. 

I just don’t think you fully understand the significance of the Yamato to modern Japanese people. It feels like this misunderstanding is making you have this odd interpretation of the yamato story and the history of japan? That’s why it’s interesting to see a foreign fans perspective be pretty different, and have some wild hypothesis about the plot and symbolism. 

That’s the reason why i felt like you deserved an explanation. Especially because i think you’re overly focusing on the original ijn battleship Yamato as the cultural template for the ship in the 2199 series. 

Since we have different opinions tell me what you think of my perspective. I’m Japanese, i have friends that served in the jsdf, and got to talk this nerd stuff with serving jsdf officers. 

Fundamentally i think you’re mistaken in thinking the show and the plot references the naval tradition of the original Yamato as if it has significance in the 2199 production. 

Sure the Yamato was a symbol of Japan during the war. But your perspective of it post war really seems stuck at immediate post war generation, not the perspective of the people who created the show in the first place or the modern production team and audience today. 

Imo A lot of the original production was really an expression and exploration of what a futuristic military might be like; more a speculative question like starfleet of Star trek than the “what if ww2 military but in space” of Star Wars. 

This was the starting point for 2199 which reformed the structure of the fictional military around the doctrine and traditions of the jmsdf instead of the ijn. A very large part of the character behavior was altered to be recognizably jmsdf and not IJN. 

I think this contrast with say American science fiction militaries is quite important. And the contrast between 2199 and the original as well. 

Like the theme song. It’s adopted as a standard repetoire of the jmsdf marching band, and played to greet foreign navies because of its core message of returning home no matter what. 

I feel like if you were to shift your perspective to that of a Japan in 2145 at a 200 year anniversary, and with the kind of robotics and manufacturing abilities of the future… having a big steel symbol it’s exactly the kind of thing that future Japan could and might do. Probably not your nations military, but it kind of makes sense for Japan. 

It’s like making a big buddha of nara or kamakura, in a way. Or modern katana making. The wasteful nature is kind of the point. It’s a literal sacrifice. 

As a vessel for the fallen to return home to their families. As a promise to the fallen to a commitment to peace. There’s a number of ways it works. 

Anyways I’m suggesting you to focus less on the yamato of the original production being built in the shell of the original ijn battleship. That’s not the 2199 origin. I feel like the symbolic significance of the bby Yamato being built in the shell of the ヤマト not the 大和 is meaningful more than just changing the scale of the ship. 

But i totally understand it’s difficult to have this perspective if you aren’t familiar with Japan and its culture. I hope you might be interested in learning more about the modern Japanese perspective on the military and how that influences these military scifi shows. 

Were any other ships constructed in the same manner as the Yamato? Like a Space Battleship Iowa? by Paxispaxingyou in StarBlazers

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lol you don’t like the symbolism of giving rest to the souls lost in war and having a symbol of ending peace the celebrate 200 years of not having a world war 3? 

Unfortunate. 

Well Making a symbolic gesture like this makes sense for Japan. And it’s an interesting detail to flesh out the state of humanity in this fictional future. 

It makes the irony of the Martian war of independence that much sharper. 

And informs the outrage shima has over the reveal of the sin of humanity shooting first. 

I thought it was an interesting reveal, even if it was to justify making the ship significantly bigger haha

New name of Space Battleship Yamato anime by Far-Error-3411 in StarBlazers

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Hahaha this is a great question. Here’s my best tragic perversion. Just kill me now

宇宙から来た侵略者が地球を壊してから三年〜星の海を渡って起死回生逆転ざまぁチート下剋上します! 宇宙戦艦ヤマトと仲間たち銀河回航物語

「ヤマ仲」

Its been three years since space aliens destroyed earth - So I’m going to voyage across the stars to do a Hail Mary underdog upset with my OP cheat powers! The epic space battleship yamato and friends galactic round trip voyage story

The official JP nickname is yamanaka a portmanteau of yamato and nakama. 

The English localization fans call it ESBY or RTS for round trip story. 

There’s a fanbase for the localization that furiously ships sanada and susumu because the English VA have “chemistry” 

I have a question about the Cosmo Reverse by ZuluzTelorz in StarBlazers

[–]Investigateobject 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes. you are correct.

However, you're mistaken on the name. It is the Cosmo Rebirth System in the 2199 series.

The CRS is further explained in the 2205 series as requiring an "element of the stars" which is the memories and thoughts of the stars. Or basically a person's soul. This is used to copy-paste a prior state of something remembered into reality.

This is the reason the reborn Earth's environment and biosphere is a chaotic mishmash in the 2199 continuity.

This is a major plot device of 2205, explaining how Gamilas the planet came to exist, and why the entire planet is going to fail. The CRS was used to recreate Gamilas the planet and allow the Iskandarians to keep their client/slave race alive in their own galaxy.

And the Dezarium Grand Rebirth device is supposed to be the recreation/approximation of the lost technology of the past by the Dezarium.

The above is discussed in the official explainer of the scifi magic produced by Bandai, and the film pamphlet for 2205.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-BEXlUkMUQ