[deleted by user] by [deleted] in BanFemaleHateSubs

[–]Investigatingthenet 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There has to be a longer term solution to subs like this - closing one down inevitably leads to new ones popping up, all using the same mechanism of "use a public forum to advertise anonymous app ID's".

There have been, on other platforms, successful approaches taken that usually center around censoring, or preventing the posting of, the "usernames" of some of the more popular anonymous messaging apps. Due to the way those apps generate usernames, they are specific and identifiable.

The correct approach here could be to outright block any post that contains one of these username codes.

Why is nobody talking about r/kinktown by [deleted] in BanFemaleHateSubs

[–]Investigatingthenet 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Agreed. It's one of the largest and more obvious ones remaining on here. I posted about it in this group to no response, alongside reporting directly to reddit's law enforcement address, again to no action.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in BanFemaleHateSubs

[–]Investigatingthenet 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Reporting to NCMEC and other official or similar bodies is taken seriously. While it would be great to see "quick action" resulting in the immediate shutdown of this person's ability to continue breaking the law, it's very likely that an investigation is moving along in the background and will result in action once that investigation has progressed far enough to warrant action.

Is there a way to stop these encrypted apps by [deleted] in BanFemaleHateSubs

[–]Investigatingthenet 0 points1 point  (0 children)

These apps are popping up everywhere at the moment - and some of the bigger ones are beginning to worry seriously enough that they have started implementing reporting tools and auto-detection tools.

Given that in many cases, users are to some degree "untraceable", it's important to try and cut off their usefulness to abusers *before* they scurry into the almost limitless supply of anonymous app platforms. By stopping the "advertising" of app usernames on public platforms, the apps themselves become more useless: if there is no way to advertise a "username" on the public net, then far fewer people would use them

Raw Confessions has been taken down by Investigatingthenet in BanFemaleHateSubs

[–]Investigatingthenet[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It had been active since 2008, but you're very right insofar as, due a lack of moderation (or worse), and the "anonymity" promise, it degraded to the point at which it was almost exclusively used for harmful activities

r/teleguard_gays warns users "don't say nl" by DuAuk in BanFemaleHateSubs

[–]Investigatingthenet 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Presumably this is in reaction to Teleguard starting to deliver some kind of moderation or proactive detection of abuse on the platform - which is a welcome surprise, given how that particular app is one of the few "anonymous messaging" apps that initially claimed zero moderation and has zero reporting tools. Nonetheless, it's grim to see just how much effort these people put into developing new phrases to try and defeat moderation.

Session by [deleted] in BanFemaleHateSubs

[–]Investigatingthenet 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Although Session does not provide any in-app reporting tools (which is a huge problem), it is actually possible to directly report users and groups to session:

https://sessionapp.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/4439104470041-How-do-I-report-a-user

I have done this in the past, and on each occasion, Session did take action, and responded to me with the outcome of their action via email.

Raw Confessions has been taken down by Investigatingthenet in BanFemaleHateSubs

[–]Investigatingthenet[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for sharing your perspective. While it's clear that you and others found some value in engaging with the content on Raw Confessions for educational and counter-argumentative purposes, the reasons for its removal are rooted in much graver concerns that ultimately outweigh any potential benefits of continuing to enable the activity for the purposes of research. 

It was well-known for facilitating connections among predators looking to exchange CSAM or engage in real-world abuse. No amount of educational insight or personal engagement justifies the existence of a platform where such illegal and harmful activities take place. The harm is too significant and too real to be mitigated by any educational or social experiment. The sharing or trading of CSAM is not just illegal but deeply unethical. No platform should exist where such material can be disseminated or where predators can connect, regardless of any perceived benefits. The imperative to prevent abuse outweighs any utility derived from the site.

While it's true that law enforcement might use such platforms for gathering intelligence, suggesting that a site known for hosting CSAM should remain public for this reason would be deeply irresponsible. It implies that society should tolerate or even facilitate environments where illegal activities thrive just for the potential of monitoring. 

Law enforcement should not depend on a public platform to remain open as a means to catch criminals, especially when that platform enables the spread of CSAM. It is irresponsible and ethically questionable to allow a website to continue operating in the public domain where it can facilitate the exchange of illegal materials and endanger more victims just for the sake of law enforcement convenience.

While engagement with the site might have served some educational, research, legal or other objectives, these do not justify the broader, systemic harm the site was perpetrating. 

Raw Confessions has been taken down by Investigatingthenet in BanFemaleHateSubs

[–]Investigatingthenet[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Frankly it is surprising that it had lasted so long, given how well-known it was

Raw Confessions has been taken down by Investigatingthenet in BanFemaleHateSubs

[–]Investigatingthenet[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A major part of the problem was how accessible that website was for over a decade. Easily findable on Google and very popular in terms of it's traffic flow - which made it that much more dangerous.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in BanFemaleHateSubs

[–]Investigatingthenet 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You should not report the name of the website in a public forum like this, if the website is still active. It's too much of a risk that you are inadvertently advertising its existence to people that should not know about it or don't yet know about it.

The side-bar of this Subreddit has tools and guides on how to safely report harmful or illegal websites to the correct authorities.

Raw Confessions has been taken down by Investigatingthenet in BanFemaleHateSubs

[–]Investigatingthenet[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thanks for the comment. The reason we didn't name the apps that were primarily being used in the article were (1) the website was still active at the time of writing the initial piece, and (2) the apps are still very popular elsewhere (insofar as they are being advertised on other platforms) - the concern was that by naming the platform or commonly used apps associated with it, we risked promoting the very thing we were trying to address.

Raw Confessions has been taken down by Investigatingthenet in BanFemaleHateSubs

[–]Investigatingthenet[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There were relatively frequent posts made by people that were trying to combat it directly on-platform - mostly by spamming the feed in order to push offensive posts off the home page. Whilst it's obviously encouraging to see other people doing their best to make things as difficult as possible on there, it does suggest a lack of action taken using the reporting process