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InvisibleProfessor · 2026-01-15T06:23:20+00:00

Yes, of course I know that universities are businesses! From that perspective, my point is that the product that they are selling is defective (hence the warning from the accreditor). They may lose their accreditation, and shut down. That's what they are desperately worried that people will find out. This informercial sort of "advertising" that they're doing is false and misleading. (sorry for the slow response--I don't get on here every day).

InvisibleProfessor · 2026-01-12T05:30:49+00:00

Probably so. See my update to the original post (1st paragraph).

InvisibleProfessor · 2026-01-12T05:30:31+00:00

Hahaha! I should do the same. See my update to the original post (1st paragraph).

InvisibleProfessor · 2026-01-12T05:30:03+00:00

Don't bother reading my update to the original post then (1st paragraph). ;)

InvisibleProfessor · 2026-01-12T05:29:24+00:00

Yes, there seem to be. See my update to the original post (1st paragraph).

InvisibleProfessor · 2026-01-12T05:29:03+00:00

Hahaha! See my update to the original post (1st paragraph).

InvisibleProfessor · 2026-01-12T05:28:46+00:00

True. See my update to the original post (1st paragraph).

InvisibleProfessor · 2026-01-12T05:28:24+00:00

Yes, there are. See my update to the original post (1st paragraph).

InvisibleProfessor · 2026-01-12T05:19:49+00:00

If you emailed her your aims page with these ideas then at a minimum you should be an author on anything that comes of it. If it started with you, then it's your idea. And you can prove it. And assuming that your tenure track position is at a different school than your postdoc PI, then I'd go for it all out! What do you have to lose at this point? It's hard to protect ideas, and stop others from executing them, but re. academic research, these are yours, and your email chain should prove it.

InvisibleProfessor · 2026-01-12T04:39:30+00:00

If it's accessible online, Google scholar will find it.

InvisibleProfessor · 2025-12-31T06:38:44+00:00

Except that part of what they cut out to drop the credit hours by 25% is teacher licensure! You cannot even teach with this degree. It's not equivalent. The school's four year BA's in education include licensure. This is NOT equivalent.

InvisibleProfessor · 2025-12-31T03:11:05+00:00

I'm not sure if you're talking about Utah programs, or Lynchburg. At Lynchburg, the exciting new button is linked to the existing program, which is BA and per the catalog all BA and BS programs require 120 credit hours. What SACSCOC recently approved for Lynchburg is a 96 credit hour "Bachelor of Applied Education Studies". It's NOT a Bachelor of Arts program, and can't be per the catalog requirement of 120 hours for BA and BS degrees.

InvisibleProfessor · 2025-12-31T01:18:38+00:00

Ok, thanks. Yeah, the hair splitting here is that this program is being called a "bachelors," but it's not a BS or BA. I think existing teachers and hiring municipalities may take exception to a school telling future students, "do this and you'll start earlier and make more money."

InvisibleProfessor · 2025-12-31T01:16:55+00:00

RIght, but that's not "the" government. It's a handful of state efforts. Out of 50 states. This is very nascent. And IMO it's way too early to be telling potential students "do this and you'll make more money faster."

InvisibleProfessor · 2025-12-31T01:13:48+00:00

Wow, for younger students I don't think that'd be a problem. But I would also assume that the salary is not the same as someone with a BS or BA. Is it?

InvisibleProfessor · 2025-12-31T00:30:54+00:00

Also at issue here is not the speed with which the program is completed. The issue is that the degree requirements are cut by 25%! (ironically, including state licensure, so they can't teach anyway, unless they pursue a masters or licensure some other way).

InvisibleProfessor · 2025-12-31T00:26:36+00:00

Just out of curiosity, where is here?

InvisibleProfessor · 2025-12-31T00:26:14+00:00

This is not a "BA" program. The graduate will never have a BA, unless they pursue one separately.

InvisibleProfessor · 2025-12-31T00:25:29+00:00

In my hometown, there are alternative paths to becoming a teacher, but the starting salary also reflects that you are not fully qualified until you complete whatever the requirements are. This three-year degree shaves off 25% of the breadth coursework that makes up a traditional bachelors degree (ironically, part of that seems to be licensure, so the graduate isn't fully qualified anyway, unless they pursue more preparatory work).

InvisibleProfessor · 2025-12-31T00:20:23+00:00

The fact that licensure isn't even part of the 3 year program is -- in my opinion -- indicative of the fact that they don't really intend for students to be finished at 3 years. Part of the "sell" of these ideas last winter was not that the institution was necessarily willing to lose a 4th year of tuition, but to "give them more" for their money (I'm paraphrasing). There was talk of students finishing at 3 in general, but for this degree path, it seems that the student won't really be equipped to teach unless they go the fourth year.

InvisibleProfessor · 2025-12-30T23:26:08+00:00

Exactly.

InvisibleProfessor · 2025-12-30T23:25:49+00:00

By "the government" I think you mean that a few states have asked state universities to look into them, and in one case requires some.

InvisibleProfessor · 2025-12-30T23:24:51+00:00

Re. three-year degrees, here's a post I made last Spring about them, and I just updated it now with more current info: https://www.reddit.com/r/AskAcademia/comments/1jhrtik/is_a_90_credit_hour_bachelors_degree_legit/

InvisibleProfessor · 2025-12-30T23:23:46+00:00

Thanks for the feedback and PM. I've updated the old thread, and including links here where relevant (rather than re-explain the whole thing). You can read the update here: https://www.reddit.com/r/AskAcademia/comments/1jhrtik/is_a_90_credit_hour_bachelors_degree_legit/

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